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He needs to not be used as a starter again for a long while.  Get him ready for bullpen use.  That's his future.



Glasnow is a 2 pitch, high velocity, no control relief guy.   He needs to have success in that role first



Don't waste any more starting innings on him with Brault and Kingham in camp.

48414958562C0 wrote: He needs to not be used as a starter again for a long while.  Get him ready for bullpen use.  That's his future.



Glasnow is a 2 pitch, high velocity, no control relief guy.   He needs to have success in that role first



Don't waste any more starting innings on him with Brault and Kingham in camp.


Are you talking about in the minors or in spring training camp? I still want Glasnow to start in the minors if he doesn't make the Pirates.



I also thought Glasnow has four pitches: Fastball, Sinker/Slider, Curve, Change Up? With the Change Up being his newest pitch and a work in progress. I could be wrong. He is known for his fastball (obviously) and curve ball. I thought his sinker/slider was his wild pitch.

I think I'd still rather he pitch garbage time in Pittsburgh. Why send him back down where he will kick everyone's tail again?

It's still early but at some point there needs to be something less than awful about his pitching. Before yesterday, the good news about this ST for him was no walks although he was getting hit pretty good and had a 7.20 ERA. So far in his career, he seems to have proven 2 things: (1) AAA batters can't hit him and (2) he has no business on a MLB roster. I guess I'd now lean toward keeping him in the BP for garbage time. And if there's never any improvement, it could be time to move him. Can't waste a BP spot forever and what's the point of keeping him in the organization just to dominate at AAA? There's always a team that thinks it can fix someone else's problem. He might fetch a low level mid range prospect. At best. I wouldn't even be against releasing him if he dosn't improve. If not for the hype, he'd probably already be gone.

While I don't believe Glasnow was going to necessarily be integral to this team's success. Indications that he's still incapable of pitching at the ML level is the first chunk of reality that sinks this team's chances.



I think the main determinant is whether Marte, Polanco, Dickerson and Bell become a formidable middle of the order, and if Moran is able to join them. If Glasnow were able to force his way into the rotation picture, he could push lesser talents into smaller roles. But alas, they will be counting on Kuhl, Nova and Musgrove for a lot of innings.

5F727F6E69786F2F2C1D0 wrote: It's still early but at some point there needs to be something less than awful about his pitching. Before yesterday, the good news about this ST for him was no walks although he was getting hit pretty good and had a 7.20 ERA. So far in his career, he seems to have proven 2 things: (1) AAA batters can't hit him and (2) he has no business on a MLB roster. I guess I'd now lean toward keeping him in the BP for garbage time. And if there's never any improvement, it could be time to move him. Can't waste a BP spot forever and what's the point of keeping him in the organization just to dominate at AAA? There's always a team that thinks it can fix someone else's problem. He might fetch a low level mid range prospect. At best. I wouldn't even be against releasing him if he dosn't improve. If not for the hype, he'd probably already be gone.


It's just so hard to give up on a guy who throws 100 mph.



He kind of reminds me a of a more wild Charlie Morton.  Morton was very wild as he had so much movement on his pitches.  Not wild pitches wild, but missing his spot, being out of the strike zone.  Morton had his best year at age 29. 



Does Glasnow go to the bullpen in hopes of garbage time and not pitch as much?  Or go back to the minors where he really has nothing else to prove?  It's a tough question.  One good thing about being in the Pirates bullpen is working with Searage and the other MLB pitchers.



EDIT--I repaired the quoted material. A couple lines were in the wrong order.

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3338303C3938236660172E363F3838793438570 wrote: It's still early but at some point there needs to be something less than awful about his pitching. Before yesterday, the good news about this ST for him was no walks although he was getting hit pretty good and had a 7.20 ERA. So far in his career, he seems to have proven 2 things: (1) AAA batters can't hit him and (2) he has no business on a MLB roster. I guess I'd now lean toward keeping him in the BP for garbage time. And if there's never any improvement, it could be time to move him. Can't waste a BP spot forever and what's the point of keeping him in the organization just to dominate at AAA? There's always a team that thinks it can fix someone else's problem. He might fetch a low level mid range prospect. At best. I wouldn't even be against releasing him if he dosn't improve. If not for the hype, he'd probably already be gone.


It's just so hard to give up on a guy who throws 100 mph.



He kind of reminds me a of a more wild Charlie Morton.  Morton was very wild as he had so much movement on his pitches.  Not wild pitches wild, but missing his spot, being out of the strike zone.  Morton had his best year at age 29. 



Does Glasnow go to the bullpen in hopes of garbage time and not pitch as much?  Or go back to the minors where he really has nothing else to prove?  It's a tough question.  One good thing about being in the Pirates bullpen is working with Searage and the other MLB pitchers.
Yeah. Tough call. There's always the fear he could be moved when he's 1 game away from turning it around.



BTW-somehow my post in your quote box got all messed up. Some lines were flip-flopped. I'll modify your post to fix it.

103D30212637206063520 wrote: It's still early but at some point there needs to be something less than awful about his pitching. Before yesterday, the good news about this ST for him was no walks although he was getting hit pretty good and had a 7.20 ERA. So far in his career, he seems to have proven 2 things: (1) AAA batters can't hit him and (2) he has no business on a MLB roster. I guess I'd now lean toward keeping him in the BP for garbage time. And if there's never any improvement, it could be time to move him. Can't waste a BP spot forever and what's the point of keeping him in the organization just to dominate at AAA? There's always a team that thinks it can fix someone else's problem. He might fetch a low level mid range prospect. At best. I wouldn't even be against releasing him if he dosn't improve. If not for the hype, he'd probably already be gone.


It's just so hard to give up on a guy who throws 100 mph.



He kind of reminds me a of a more wild Charlie Morton.  Morton was very wild as he had so much movement on his pitches.  Not wild pitches wild, but missing his spot, being out of the strike zone.  Morton had his best year at age 29. 



Does Glasnow go to the bullpen in hopes of garbage time and not pitch as much?  Or go back to the minors where he really has nothing else to prove?  It's a tough question.  One good thing about being in the Pirates bullpen is working with Searage and the other MLB pitchers.
Yeah. Tough call. There's always the fear he could be moved when he's 1 game away from turning it around.



BTW-somehow my post in your quote box got all messed up. Some lines were flip-flopped. I'll modify your post to fix it. 




I remember Brandon Moss. I hated giving up on him, but I understood. The Pirates let him walk after age 26 season. Two years later, he breaks out in Oakland.



Glasnow is getting to that point.

I can’t imagine them giving up on Glasnow until the bitter end. The majority of Neal’s time goes to finding guys just like him: underperforming arms with 100mph velocity.



The clock is ticking though. Neither Glasnow, nor those around him, have been able to advance his performance in the MLB. As a last ditch effort, I wonder if someone outside the organization could be called in to work with him? Most teams have special assistants who come in during spring training and throughout the year. Greg Maddox has filled that role for other teams. Perhaps he, or some other guru, could be called in for some special mentoring. Perhaps they have already tried this. But if not, given all they have invested already, and what they stand to gain should he actually figure out, it might make sense.

040F070B0E0F145157201901080F0F4E030F600 wrote: He needs to not be used as a starter again for a long while.  Get him ready for bullpen use.  That's his future.



Glasnow is a 2 pitch, high velocity, no control relief guy.   He needs to have success in that role first



Don't waste any more starting innings on him with Brault and Kingham in camp.


Are you talking about in the minors or in spring training camp?  I still want Glasnow to start in the minors if he doesn't make the Pirates. 



I also thought Glasnow has four pitches: Fastball, Sinker/Slider, Curve, Change Up?  With the Change Up being his newest pitch and a work in progress.  I could be wrong.  He is known for his fastball (obviously) and curve ball.  I thought his sinker/slider was his wild pitch. 




I would get him transitioned to bullpen use ASAP so he can possibly face ML hitters in mop-up situations if he makes the club. Or maybe get called up for BP use later if he doesn't make the club.   I want to see if he can succeed at all, vs ML hitters.   Get 3 outs per outing, and do it with some effectiveness.



Looking at what he's done vs ML hitters as a starter since his callup two seasons ago, he's really  not improving as time passes. Same problems. 



If he finds some success as a reliever, then consider stretching him back out to be a possible starter.  If he's unable to get ML hitters out in mop-up situations, he may end up having a nice career as a AAA journeyman.



I don't see any correlation with any other pitcher. He's not even showing (real) flashes, to me. Very hittable pitcher with serious control problems. Not that close and not making much improvement. Try him out of the pen