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"player development" are the buzzwords for selling tickets without spending any money.

7B606D6C656966080 wrote: "player development" are the buzzwords for selling tickets without spending any money.
I will respect your opinion, but these new FO individuals did not leave successful organizations like the Blue Jays, Cubs, and Astros to fail in Pittsburgh. Ben Cherington and his operations group have a plan to bring winning baseball to Pittsburgh.

54757D547F77100 wrote: Per Bob Biertempfl in the Athletic:



One of Baker’s goals is to make the development process more player-centric — a phrase Cherington has frequently uttered in the year since he was hired.



“It means that the player has a stake in his developmental plan and program,” Baker said. “It’s about providing them with the stimulus they need to make adaptations and improve. We’re going to be on the cutting edge of science to make sure that we really are truly data-driven. Being data-driven doesn’t just mean knowing all of the analytics acronyms. It also means following research from biomechanics and psychology.”



This hints that BC just might have a plan!
Not sure how I feel about this. For far too long the Pirate brain trust has acted like they think they are the smartest ones in the room. They have offered things like analytics to compensate for their refusal to spend to obtain or keep talent. And we've seen how that worked out. We've seen the one size fits all pitching philosophy that prevented Cole, Glasnow and Morton from reaching their potential until they went elsewhere. We've seen the search for players from India, Lithiania, South Africa and Korea to avoid bidding wars for better players.



BC won't have any more money to spend than his predecessors. So, like them, his only chance at meaningful improvement will be to succeed where the others failed at player evaluation and development. And I hope that whatever he has in mind is successful. But when I hear "player-centric" development and "cutting edge of science," data driven" and "biomechanics and psychology" it sounds like BC is the new smartest guy in the room. Sounds a lot like NH only with more words.



But I'll wait and see. Maybe this time it will be different. If nothing else it suggests the end of the one size fits all philosophy. But until I see results, all it looks like is a fancier way of saying they'll use science to try to make less talented players more competitive with the other teams' more talented players.

2E353839303C335D0 wrote: "player development" are the buzzwords for selling tickets without spending any money.


We dont need corporate speak. Give me good baseball players and be done with it.

343839626B626A67607F65520 wrote: "player development" are the buzzwords for selling tickets without spending any money.
I will respect your opinion, but these new FO individuals did not leave successful organizations like the Blue Jays, Cubs, and Astros to fail in Pittsburgh. Ben Cherington and his operations group have a plan to bring winning baseball to Pittsburgh.
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I, too, respect your opinion, but I believe that the only plan is to sell a fictitious future that never gets here and not spend any money right now to improve the team.

DING DING DING.  Some business for the Blue Ribbon Panel.  The  Giants sign FA Jason Vosler  for a 1.  What say you Greenweenie and Wildwood Dave?



The current standings are:





Astros - Gurriel(3).....................................................................3

Marlins - Marte(3)......................................................................3

Yankees - Britton(3)...................................................................3

Cubs - Rizzo(3).......................................................................3

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1)..........................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Indians - Perez(2.5)...................................................................2

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Nationals - Harrison(1)...............................................................1

Mariners - Graveman(1).............................................................1

Giants - Vosler(1)......................................................................1

Braves - Almonte (.5)..............................................................0.5



Cherington - Car 54 where  are you?

405B56575E525D330 wrote: DING DING DING.  Some business for the Blue Ribbon Panel.  The  Giants sign FA Jason Vosler  for a 1.  What say you Greenweenie and Wildwood Dave?



The current standings are:



nothing to get excited about here give him a .5

Astros - Gurriel(3).....................................................................3

Marlins - Marte(3)......................................................................3

Yankees - Britton(3)...................................................................3

Cubs - Rizzo(3).......................................................................3

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1)..........................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Indians - Perez(2.5)...................................................................2

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Nationals - Harrison(1)...............................................................1

Mariners - Graveman(1).............................................................1

Giants - Vosler(1)......................................................................1

Braves - Almonte (.5)..............................................................0.5



Cherington - Car 54 where  are you?

514A47464F434C220 wrote: "player development" are the buzzwords for selling tickets without spending any money.
I will respect your opinion, but these new FO individuals did not leave successful organizations like the Blue Jays, Cubs, and Astros to fail in Pittsburgh. Ben Cherington and his operations group have a plan to bring winning baseball to Pittsburgh.
______

I, too, respect  your opinion, but I believe that the only plan is to sell a fictitious future that never gets here and not spend any money right now to improve the team.






People leave employers for different reasons. They may have come to The Burgh to win baseball games. They didn't come to win the World Series.

607B76777E727D130 wrote: DING DING DING.  Some business for the Blue Ribbon Panel.  The  Giants sign FA Jason Vosler  for a 1.  What say you Greenweenie and Wildwood Dave?



The current standings are:





Astros - Gurriel(3).....................................................................3

Marlins - Marte(3)......................................................................3

Yankees - Britton(3)...................................................................3

Cubs - Rizzo(3).......................................................................3

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1)..........................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Indians - Perez(2.5)...................................................................2

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Nationals - Harrison(1)...............................................................1

Mariners - Graveman(1).............................................................1

Giants - Vosler(1)......................................................................1

Braves - Almonte (.5)..............................................................0.5



Cherington - Car 54 where  are you?


1 for Vosler.



Car 54 is suing me to overturn my vote.

707C7D262F262E23243B21160 wrote: Per Bob Biertempfl in the Athletic:



One of Baker’s goals is to make the development process more player-centric — a phrase Cherington has frequently uttered in the year since he was hired.



“It means that the player has a stake in his developmental plan and program,” Baker said. “It’s about providing them with the stimulus they need to make adaptations and improve. We’re going to be on the cutting edge of science to make sure that we really are truly data-driven. Being data-driven doesn’t just mean knowing all of the analytics acronyms. It also means following research from biomechanics and psychology.”



This hints that BC just might have a plan!
There have been several negative messages etc regarding the lack of player movement since Ben C came on board last November. I do think he has a plan, and he is not going to make a trade or acquire a player just to make a splash. He has brought some front office people on board who have strong player development reputations in baseball. Sure the Bucs did not win at least 20 games in 2020, but in my opinion better days are coming under this current FO group.


Agree, scouting did not seem to be an issue with the previous FO, they were signing (and trading for) talented players. You also saw guys they drafted but did not sign go on to have success elsewhere. The Player development was terrible.



In addition, they are going to be a forward focused organization, focusing on the mind and utilizing key tools to help players reach their maximum potential.



Hopefully this means less Gregory Polancos and more Andrew McCutchens.