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I also hate the DH. I'm also a fan of the Orioles so I have regularly watched both types of baseball for years and have always preferred NL baseball. The DH was supposed to increase fan interest by artificially creating more offense. However, attendance figures have never indicated the AL brand is preferred. AL fans didn't haver a choice so they accepted it. But attendance was consistent in both leagues so the DH never created a spike in attendance beyond what it was without the DH.



Sure, most pitchers flail away at bat. But it works both for you and against you. No one expects pitchers to be good hitters. It's an accepted part of the game. No one leaves a game upset that the pitcher didn't get a hit. But it adds a fun element to the game when they do. Vern Law, Harvey Haddix, Ken Brett, Don Robinson, Rick Rhoden, Steven Brault, Joe Musgrove and others always could add that surprise element to the game with a key hit. There are many stories of pitchers who were fun to watch at bat. Babe Ruth, Don Newcombe, Warren Spahn, Don Drysdale, Earl Wilson, Madison Bumgarner and others throughout MLB history have always added that unexpected element to the game. I enjoy seeing if a pitcher can contribute with the bat. No big deal if he can't but lots of fun when he does. I much prefer that to sticking some thumper in the middle of the lineup who can't play a position.

All you "pitchers should hit" guys- you have all those statues out there. 



Where's one of a pitcher PITCHING, let alone of one doing anything at the plate?  Why not have any of any pitcher doing anything when he's at bat?  Come on.



All you "strategy" guys- where's Danny Murtaugh's statue- stratching something?



Important...but, only so important.

675245454E7745454E4945200 wrote: All you "pitchers should hit" guys- you have all those statues out there. 



Where's one of a pitcher PITCHING, let alone of one doing anything at the plate?  Why not have any of any pitcher doing anything when he's at bat?  Come on.



All you "strategy" guys- where's Danny Murtaugh's statue- stratching something?



Important...but, only so important.
You mean like those statues at PNC of Clemente catching a fly ball and Stargell making a put out at 1B?

No shortage of pitching statues.

Haven't seen many outside of PNC. That's what I meant by "out there."



Sure haven't seen any of a pitcher up to bat, that's for sure.

0D382F2F241D2F2F24232F4A0 wrote: Haven't seen many outside of PNC.  That's what I meant by "out there." 



Sure haven't seen any of a pitcher up to bat, that's for sure.


And why would you? Statues depict what the person is known for. Stargell's statue doesn't show him reading a newspaper or even taking a throw at 1B. Why would a great pitcher's statue be of him batting?



I guess by your standard, pitchers should not be in the HOF because they don't have the hitting stats to justify it. I mean if no pitcher deserves a statue because they are not good hitters, then why not keep them out of the HOF for the same reason?

I will counter that by saying that what you've described is closer to a DH Opponent's position than to a DH Proponent- and, by far.



I have heard people claim that Edgar Martinez is not worthy of HOF consideration because he was a DH for a portion of his career.



Never have I thought anything even remotely close to what you are saying about pitchers and their HOF qualifications, so if you rely on that, it's weak.

1D283F3F340D3F3F34333F5A0 wrote: I will counter that by saying that what you've described is closer to a DH Opponent's position than to a DH Proponent- and, by far.



I have heard people claim that Edgar Martinez is not worthy of HOF consideration because he was a DH for a portion of his career.



Never have I thought anything even remotely close to what you are saying about pitchers and their HOF qualifications, so if you rely on that, it's weak.
I don't rely on it. I used that example to show how ridiculous yuor comment was about pitchers not having statues showing them batting. Now THAT was weak.

093C2B2B20192B2B20272B4E0 wrote: I will counter that by saying that what you've described is closer to a DH Opponent's position than to a DH Proponent- and, by far.



I have heard people claim that Edgar Martinez is not worthy of HOF consideration because he was a DH for a portion of his career.



Never have I thought anything even remotely close to what you are saying about pitchers and their HOF qualifications, so if you rely on that, it's weak.


Picky, picky you Weenie!

052825343322357576470 wrote: I will counter that by saying that what you've described is closer to a DH Opponent's position than to a DH Proponent- and, by far.



I have heard people claim that Edgar Martinez is not worthy of HOF consideration because he was a DH for a portion of his career.



Never have I thought anything even remotely close to what you are saying about pitchers and their HOF qualifications, so if you rely on that, it's weak.
I don't rely on it. I used that example to show how ridiculous yuor comment was about pitchers not having statues showing them batting. Now THAT was weak.




Good Cherry Pick. Look at the entire sentence. I wrote that we don't have any statue of any pitcher in our history...pitching.....the thing they're SUPPOSED to do. So, I don't get all that hung up about whether they hit, because, they obviously can't do that, either.