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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:58 pm
by 2drfischer@gmail.c
446964757263743437060 wrote: Corey Seager 10/325 to the Rangers


I've been wrestling with this news for the past day, trying to understand Seager's motivation.  I fully understand why anyone would accept $325 million.  But what keeps rattling around in my brain is how he's giving up playing with one of baseball's premier and storied franchises, one who's intention has been to reach the postseason every year since the 1940s, to join an organization that presently is one of the game's worst and which has rarely been competitive, by comparison, since moving to Dallas some 50 years ago.



Seager will not live long enough to spend all of that money and, while it's commendable that he's seeing to his family's care for as long as they live, too, wouldn't he have been able to do that by accepting, say, $250 million from the Dodgers, assuming they'd offer that much, which would certainly be possible?  At $250 million, he'd have $5 million at his disposal each and every year for the next 50 years.  Think of that: a new $5 million every year!   



So the question is, is the extra $75 million he's getting from the Rangers enough to offset playing for an organization where the losing has been greater than the winning; where a title has never been won; where the team has reached the postseason only eight times since moving from Washington?  Baseball's supposed to be fun.  Would giving up $75 million be worth having fun (mostly due to the winning) over the remainder of his career, knowing he'd have more money than he'll ever be able to spend anyway?
I don't think the Rangers are as bad as all that. Between 2010 and 2016 they finished first 4 times and second twice. They have won 90+ games in 5 of the last 12 years and at least 87 games in 7 of those 12 years. Prior to signing Seager they signed Marcus Semien (45 HRs, 102 RBIs) and Jon Gray. The Rangers have a new stadium and lots of money to spend and I think they sold Seager on the idea that they are going to turn things around.


I'm not convinced.  The Rangers organization can't compare to the Dodgers, new ballpark or not.  And as we've seen over and over again, spending obscene amounts of money is no guarantee of success.  As for Semien, he's 31 years old and soon headed to the downside of his career.  I like Cory Seager and I think he's a heck of a player.  Money doesn't buy happiness but I hope it comes close enough for him.
I guess Seager was convinced. The Rangers' problem has always been pitching. But they drafted Leiter and their new park has a retractable roof and is pitcher friendly. Their previous parks were hot and batter friendly. So now they are spending money and more attractive to FA pitchers. They must have made a pretty convincing case to Seager that they can compete. Either that or they made a pretty convincing case that he can spend the 325 million. :)


It’s likely to take a few years for the new park to establish itself as pitcher friendly, so I wouldn’t expect free agent pitchers to make a mad rush to sign with the Rangers quickly. Besides, will the team be able to sign that many pitchers with numerous other teams competing for them, too?



And if the new park is not hitter friendly, that serves to neutralize Semien’s ability hit all those HRs, not to mention Seager, who’s a middling power hitter to begin with. Will the Rangers be the offensive force fans are thinking they’ll be?



My question remains: will that extra money he received from the Rangers soothe the real possibility that the Rangers will still be an average to below average team? Seager’s been spoiled playing with the Dodgers, being a playoff contender every year. I don’t see it being the same with Texas any time soon. Will it be worth it?

Off Season Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:23 am
by Surgnbuck
I'm sure at least a couple good years will be had from those two. But I really question the deal to Semien. He's had two good seasons, last year was a phenomenal season. He's getting paid for those two years, which coincidentally as I've mentioned in a couple threads, he's at the peak of his peak.



I think the Rangers were trying to get the fan base re-energized. Seager was an overpay, but he's worth what someone offered. They'd of been better off IMHO throwing that money at Gallo, who is just NOW entering his presumed peak years.

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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:21 am
by 2drfischer@gmail.c
7B5D5A4F464A5D4B43280 wrote: I'm sure at least a couple good years will be had from those two. But I really question the deal to Semien. He's had two good seasons, last year was a phenomenal season. He's getting paid for those two years, which coincidentally as I've mentioned in a couple threads, he's at the peak of his peak.



I think the Rangers were trying to get the fan base re-energized. Seager was an overpay, but he's worth what someone offered. They'd of been better off IMHO throwing that money at Gallo, who is just NOW entering his presumed peak years.




I really haven't considered how much money the Rangers are spending. If the owner agrees to pay it then I'm assuming he's done his due diligence and feels the return will be worth it.



My question is about Seager justifying the extra millions he'll receive from the Rangers in exchange for playing for a team that's been nothing like the Dodgers organization when it comes to winning.



I truly believe that when the players are out on the field, all they care about is winning. It's what motivates them. For those three hours, what they're being paid doesn't matter. Until the losing starts, and that's when thoughts can turn to, "Well, I made $200,000 playing today, instead of $150,000, so, who cares if we lost".

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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:01 pm
by Surgnbuck
Raisel Iglesias re-ups for 4/58 with the Angels, after rejecting the 18.4 QO



Report on mlb site said he was used 8 times for multiple inning saves, but used only for single inning saves after falling out of contention because he was going to be a FA. It's thought he appreciated the gesture and that could have factored in to his signing.

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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:03 pm
by Surgnbuck
Cesar Hernandez to the Nats on a one year deal

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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:58 pm
by PirateGold
This thread is wholly uninteresting without Kovie doing his thing.

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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:36 pm
by GreenWeenie
Amen.

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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:12 pm
by GreenWeenie
I'll put Mayflower Mike Melancon to the Diamondbacks here. It could as easily go in The Departed thread. The guy certainly knows how to depart.

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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:45 am
by WildwoodDave2
457067676C5567676C6B67020 wrote: I'll put Mayflower Mike Melancon to the Diamondbacks here.  It could as easily go in The Departed thread.  The guy certainly knows how to depart. 
I put Melancon in that thread. 14 million-2yrs

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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:23 am
by WildwoodDave2
6E50555D4E56565D7D584F5C0B390 wrote: I'll put Mayflower Mike Melancon to the Diamondbacks here.  It could as easily go in The Departed thread.  The guy certainly knows how to depart. 
I put Melancon in that thread. 14 million-2yrs
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