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4C454D5C52280 wrote: Do you understand what the word "plus" means?   



I'll answer your question you asked me. "yes".  Now you answer mine above.   



You see someone say the words "Too stupid as an org" and bam!  it's rush to the defense!  ALARM! RED ALERT!   



Edit:  And another thing.  You constantly use age and the performance of other players as some determining factor.   it has very little meaning to me at all.  "Harrison broke out at 26"   yeah, so what?  He's still a very average starting 2bman overall.. and he's not dragging around the anchor of being a terrible fielder (like Frazier). 



26 is old.  Just because something happens once in a while and a older player (like Arrieta, for instance) breaks out late, doesn't justify making decisions based on the relatively remote possibility that an unrelated player will break out late.  They have nothing to do with one another.  Probability is what it is, and has nothing to do with JHay breaking out at 26.  (and then going back to sleep the next year btw..)    it's just hope and hope is not a strategy, it's a religion.   


Yes, I know what plus means. It is also an opinion as plus for others can mean differently than your meaning.



My next question is why is Harrison a plus bat and Frazier is not when their numbers are very similar?



Another question, why do you get so defensive when I ask a question? You could have just said "Yes" and then why you think Harrison has a plus bat and Frazier does not.



Every time I ask a question it is "defending the organization"? That's a weird theory you have about me or in general.



I do think age matters. It also helps in comparison. We are comparing Frazier and Harrison here. You read/hear all the time what a player is doing or what they did at a certain age. So, it isn't just me.

I like Frazier's hitting. When he's right, he's their best lead-off hitter. But he botches too many routine plays at 2B. You can get away with him there occasionally but over the course of a season there will be too many missed plays, extra outs and needless runs against. There's a reason they say teams need to be strong up the middle. A weak glove at 2B is not the answer. But I like his bat enough to want him in the lineup as much as possible. Super sub inf-of is his best bet. Without Harrison, Rodriguez at least saves runs at 2B, has some power and reduces the number of chances Frazier would otherwise see there. Moroff could be useful there too. I have no problem with the 3 of them sharing 2B while Harrison is out.

4D606D7C7B6A7D3D3E0F0 wrote: I have no problem with the 3 of them sharing 2B while Harrison is out.       


Don't you think it will get crowded?

565D55595C5D460305724B535A5D5D1C515D320 wrote: Do you understand what the word "plus" means?   



I'll answer your question you asked me. "yes".  Now you answer mine above.   



You see someone say the words "Too stupid as an org" and bam!  it's rush to the defense!  ALARM! RED ALERT!   



Edit:  And another thing.  You constantly use age and the performance of other players as some determining factor.   it has very little meaning to me at all.  "Harrison broke out at 26"   yeah, so what?  He's still a very average starting 2bman overall.. and he's not dragging around the anchor of being a terrible fielder (like Frazier). 



26 is old.  Just because something happens once in a while and a older player (like Arrieta, for instance) breaks out late, doesn't justify making decisions based on the relatively remote possibility that an unrelated player will break out late.  They have nothing to do with one another.  Probability is what it is, and has nothing to do with JHay breaking out at 26.  (and then going back to sleep the next year btw..)    it's just hope and hope is not a strategy, it's a religion.   


Yes, I know what plus means.  It is also an opinion as plus for others can mean differently than your meaning.



My next question is why is Harrison a plus bat and Frazier is not when their numbers are very similar?



Another question, why do you get so defensive when I ask a question?  You could have just said "Yes" and then why you think Harrison has a plus bat and Frazier does not. 



Every time I ask a question it is "defending the organization"?  That's a weird theory you have about me or in general.



I do think age matters.  It also helps in comparison.  We are comparing Frazier and Harrison here.  You read/hear all the time what a player is doing or what they did at a certain age.  So, it isn't just me. 






Harrison's bat was plus last year but overall, it's not plus.   I never said or implied that it was.   Because Harrison fields the position ok, he's a starter.    JHays bat is inconsistent through the years.    You are reading things that aren't there, and then questioning them



Your implication in bringing up harrisons age at "breakout" is that Frazier is 26 and will do the same. 26 is late and significantly reduces the probability of substantial improvement, especially defensively. The two are unrelated to each other.



It's why Moran was a low-upside acquisition. It's why moroff needs time now.

1A2824243002212825202F28490 wrote: I have no problem with the 3 of them sharing 2B while Harrison is out.       


Don't you think it will get crowded?   8-)


Nah. With all the shifting, I don't even think anyone will notice the 2 extra infielders.

49404859572D0 wrote: Do you understand what the word "plus" means?   



I'll answer your question you asked me. "yes".  Now you answer mine above.   



You see someone say the words "Too stupid as an org" and bam!  it's rush to the defense!  ALARM! RED ALERT!   



Edit:  And another thing.  You constantly use age and the performance of other players as some determining factor.   it has very little meaning to me at all.  "Harrison broke out at 26"   yeah, so what?  He's still a very average starting 2bman overall.. and he's not dragging around the anchor of being a terrible fielder (like Frazier). 



26 is old.  Just because something happens once in a while and a older player (like Arrieta, for instance) breaks out late, doesn't justify making decisions based on the relatively remote possibility that an unrelated player will break out late.  They have nothing to do with one another.  Probability is what it is, and has nothing to do with JHay breaking out at 26.  (and then going back to sleep the next year btw..)    it's just hope and hope is not a strategy, it's a religion.   


Yes, I know what plus means.  It is also an opinion as plus for others can mean differently than your meaning.



My next question is why is Harrison a plus bat and Frazier is not when their numbers are very similar?



Another question, why do you get so defensive when I ask a question?  You could have just said "Yes" and then why you think Harrison has a plus bat and Frazier does not. 



Every time I ask a question it is "defending the organization"?  That's a weird theory you have about me or in general.



I do think age matters.  It also helps in comparison.  We are comparing Frazier and Harrison here.  You read/hear all the time what a player is doing or what they did at a certain age.  So, it isn't just me. 






Harrison's bat was plus last year but overall, it's not plus.   I never said or implied that it was.   Because Harrison fields the position ok, he's a starter.    JHays bat is inconsistent through the years.    You are reading things that aren't there




I am just wondering why you think Harrison has a plus bat and Frazier does not. Now, you changed your original answer? I guess I don't know what I am reading.



By the way, you also brought up Brentz's age when he was brought in as a free agent.

4B666B7A7D6C7B3B38090 wrote: I have no problem with the 3 of them sharing 2B while Harrison is out.       


Don't you think it will get crowded?   8-)


Nah. With all the shifting, I don't even think anyone will notice the 2 extra infielders.




11 fielders is the new moneyball

3F343C3035342F6A6C1B223A3334347538345B0 wrote: Do you understand what the word "plus" means?   



I'll answer your question you asked me. "yes".  Now you answer mine above.   



You see someone say the words "Too stupid as an org" and bam!  it's rush to the defense!  ALARM! RED ALERT!   



Edit:  And another thing.  You constantly use age and the performance of other players as some determining factor.   it has very little meaning to me at all.  "Harrison broke out at 26"   yeah, so what?  He's still a very average starting 2bman overall.. and he's not dragging around the anchor of being a terrible fielder (like Frazier). 



26 is old.  Just because something happens once in a while and a older player (like Arrieta, for instance) breaks out late, doesn't justify making decisions based on the relatively remote possibility that an unrelated player will break out late.  They have nothing to do with one another.  Probability is what it is, and has nothing to do with JHay breaking out at 26.  (and then going back to sleep the next year btw..)    it's just hope and hope is not a strategy, it's a religion.   


Yes, I know what plus means.  It is also an opinion as plus for others can mean differently than your meaning.



My next question is why is Harrison a plus bat and Frazier is not when their numbers are very similar?



Another question, why do you get so defensive when I ask a question?  You could have just said "Yes" and then why you think Harrison has a plus bat and Frazier does not. 



Every time I ask a question it is "defending the organization"?  That's a weird theory you have about me or in general.



I do think age matters.  It also helps in comparison.  We are comparing Frazier and Harrison here.  You read/hear all the time what a player is doing or what they did at a certain age.  So, it isn't just me. 






Harrison's bat was plus last year but overall, it's not plus.   I never said or implied that it was.   Because Harrison fields the position ok, he's a starter.    JHays bat is inconsistent through the years.    You are reading things that aren't there




I am just wondering why you think Harrison has a plus bat and Frazier does not.  Now, you changed your original answer?  I guess I don't know what I am reading.



By the way, you also brought up Brentz's age when he was brought in as a free agent.   




You've twice said that I've said something I have not here, and now you've doubled down on it.   Scroll down. 



All you have to do is find where I said that Harrison's bat is plus.    Brentz age (extremely old) is relevant because of the reduced probability that a 29 year old player "breaks out". You're using age in the opposite manner, because player A broke out late, it is possible player B will break out late.



You don't want to "understand" you want to argue with me about things I'm not saying and don't believe.   Disagree! But don't invent things I'm saying so you can argue.  That's called building a strawman. 

363F372628520 wrote: Do you understand what the word "plus" means?   



I'll answer your question you asked me. "yes".  Now you answer mine above.   



You see someone say the words "Too stupid as an org" and bam!  it's rush to the defense!  ALARM! RED ALERT!   



Edit:  And another thing.  You constantly use age and the performance of other players as some determining factor.   it has very little meaning to me at all.  "Harrison broke out at 26"   yeah, so what?  He's still a very average starting 2bman overall.. and he's not dragging around the anchor of being a terrible fielder (like Frazier). 



26 is old.  Just because something happens once in a while and a older player (like Arrieta, for instance) breaks out late, doesn't justify making decisions based on the relatively remote possibility that an unrelated player will break out late.  They have nothing to do with one another.  Probability is what it is, and has nothing to do with JHay breaking out at 26.  (and then going back to sleep the next year btw..)    it's just hope and hope is not a strategy, it's a religion.   


Yes, I know what plus means.  It is also an opinion as plus for others can mean differently than your meaning.



My next question is why is Harrison a plus bat and Frazier is not when their numbers are very similar?



Another question, why do you get so defensive when I ask a question?  You could have just said "Yes" and then why you think Harrison has a plus bat and Frazier does not. 



Every time I ask a question it is "defending the organization"?  That's a weird theory you have about me or in general.



I do think age matters.  It also helps in comparison.  We are comparing Frazier and Harrison here.  You read/hear all the time what a player is doing or what they did at a certain age.  So, it isn't just me. 






Harrison's bat was plus last year but overall, it's not plus.   I never said or implied that it was.   Because Harrison fields the position ok, he's a starter.    JHays bat is inconsistent through the years.    You are reading things that aren't there




I am just wondering why you think Harrison has a plus bat and Frazier does not.  Now, you changed your original answer?  I guess I don't know what I am reading.



By the way, you also brought up Brentz's age when he was brought in as a free agent.   




You've twice said that I've said something I have not here, and now you've doubled down on it.   Scroll down. 



All you have to do is find where I said that Harrison's bat is plus.    Brentz age (extremely old) is relevant because of the reduced probability that a 29 year old player "breaks out".  You're using age in the opposite manner, because player A broke out late, it is possible player B will break out late.    



You don't want to "understand" you want to argue with me about things I'm not saying and don't believe.   Disagree! But don't invent things I'm saying so you can argue.  That's called building a strawman. 


You are right, I assumed.



I know you are a Harrison fan as you always defend him. I assumed you thought his bat was "plus". This is why people ask questions. Sometimes it is just easier to answer than go on a rant and try to belittle someone. I do forget how everyone takes me literally, but not everyone else.

No problem. I do not think JHays bat is plus overall. I think it was plus last year for sure but he has been inconsistent year to year.



I don't really recall defending him other than when you suggested it was fine to trade him this offseason specifically because Frazier could slot in there. Which I disagreed because Frazier has not shown he can field the position.



He may be able to hit as well, I'm not convinced that definitely even true because JHays career numbers are drug down by his poor first 3 seasons. Even if their bats washed, the defense is why it wasnt a viable option.