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Nothing new today. Lost 4-1 to Tigers. W-L records mean little but 3-14? Really? Holland gave up 3 HRs in 5.1 IP. Neverauskas gave up a run in his inning (at least we know it wasn't someone else wearing his uniform). Pirates managed 4 whole hits. At least the atmosphere is good and they're having fun. Otherwise, they might fall into severe depression.

I know it is only spring training and they can always kick the can down the road to the regular season, but 3-14 equates to a .177 winning percentage. Extended out to a full season, that would equate to a 29-133 season.

425954555C505F310 wrote: I know it is only spring training and they can always kick the can down the road to the regular season, but 3-14 equates to a .177 winning percentage.  Extended out to a full season, that would equate to a 29-133 season.


I bet that would set some sort of record though, so there's that.

seems like Holland might be the fifth starter, bummed Koehler retired, thought he might have a chance to help. trying to be a little optimistic....ain't easy with a bum owner!

4A515C5D545857390 wrote: I know it is only spring training and they can always kick the can down the road to the regular season, but 3-14 equates to a .177 winning percentage.  Extended out to a full season, that would equate to a 29-133 season.


We will be on the clock for the first overall pick in 2021.

5A414C4D444847290 wrote: I know it is only spring training and they can always kick the can down the road to the regular season, but 3-14 equates to a .177 winning percentage.  Extended out to a full season, that would equate to a 29-133 season.


This made me laugh, then cry, so I looked up the worst team records in Major League history to see how a 29-133 record (.177 winning %) compares.  Here's what I found:



Since 1876:

1.  1899 Cleveland Spiders  20-134  (.130%)

2.  1890 Pittsburgh Alleghenys  23-113   (.169%)

3.  1897 St. Louis Browns  29-102   (.221%)



In the Modern Era, it's worse for us:

1.  1916 Philadelphia Athletics  36-117   (.235%)

2.  1935 Boston Braves  38-115   (.248%)

3.  1962 New York Mets  40-120   (.250%)



So a .177 winning percentage would be the third worst since the start of the National League (but still not the worst in franchise history) and the worst since 1900.  How awful, you ask, must it have been to be a fan of the Alleghenys back in the day?  We actually might have some idea.

mlbtraderumors brought up some guys out of options to keep an eye on. I wonder if Cherrington would take a flier on Anthony Alford, OF from Toronto if he doesn't make the club. High end prospect at one time, two-sport stud too boot. Two other names - Rangel Ravelo, 1B/OF from STL and Carson Fulmer, RHP, CWS. Fulmer intrigues me.

6F392F3B342E3E35382F1D3A303C3431733E5D0 wrote: I know it is only spring training and they can always kick the can down the road to the regular season, but 3-14 equates to a .177 winning percentage.  Extended out to a full season, that would equate to a 29-133 season.


This made me laugh, then cry, so I looked up the worst team records in Major League history to see how a 29-133 record (.177 winning %) compares.  Here's what I found:



Since 1876:

1.  1899 Cleveland Spiders  20-134  (.130%)

2.  1890 Pittsburgh Alleghenys  23-113   (.169%)

3.  1897 St. Louis Browns  29-102   (.221%)



In the Modern Era, it's worse for us:

1.  1916 Philadelphia Athletics  36-117   (.235%)

2.  1935 Boston Braves  38-115   (.248%)

3.  1962 New York Mets  40-120   (.250%)



So a .177 winning percentage would be the third worst since the start of the National League (but still not the worst in franchise history) and the worst since 1900.  How awful, you ask, must it have been to be a fan of the Alleghenys back in the day?  We actually might have some idea.
As recently as 2018, the Orioles were 47-115 (.290). I see a lot of Orioles games and I see similarities to the 2020 Pirates. Bucs' pitching should be better but that O's team had Machado, Schoop, Mancini and Jones for all or part of the season. So it's hard for me to find any optimism. I predict 57 wins but that might be best case sacenario.

537E73626574632320110 wrote: I know it is only spring training and they can always kick the can down the road to the regular season, but 3-14 equates to a .177 winning percentage.  Extended out to a full season, that would equate to a 29-133 season.


This made me laugh, then cry, so I looked up the worst team records in Major League history to see how a 29-133 record (.177 winning %) compares.  Here's what I found:



Since 1876:

1.  1899 Cleveland Spiders  20-134  (.130%)

2.  1890 Pittsburgh Alleghenys  23-113   (.169%)

3.  1897 St. Louis Browns  29-102   (.221%)



In the Modern Era, it's worse for us:

1.  1916 Philadelphia Athletics  36-117   (.235%)

2.  1935 Boston Braves  38-115   (.248%)

3.  1962 New York Mets  40-120   (.250%)



So a .177 winning percentage would be the third worst since the start of the National League (but still not the worst in franchise history) and the worst since 1900.  How awful, you ask, must it have been to be a fan of the Alleghenys back in the day?  We actually might have some idea.
As recently as 2018, the Orioles were 47-115 (.290). I see a lot of Orioles games and I see similarities to the 2020 Pirates. Bucs' pitching should be better but that O's team had Machado, Schoop, Mancini and Jones for all or part of the season. So it's hard for me to find any optimism. I predict 57 wins but that might be best case sacenario.




115 losses would be really hard to take as a fan. Is that something like five losses per week? I'd like to think that the 2020 Pirates will lose fewer than that but I wouldn't wager on it, either, because I see too many unknowns. I'm somewhat more optimistic than you, thinking they'll win 63. But either way, it's a lot of baseball suffering.

Do people honestly believe they are 20+ games worse than last year's team?