Game Thread - 6/13 - Bucs @ Cards

2drfischer@gmail.c · Post by **2drfischer@gmail.c** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:55 am

Now tied at five. Bucs just making it interesting.

WildwoodDave2 · Post by **WildwoodDave2** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:56 am

0B5D4B5F504A5A515C4B795E54585055175A390 wrote: Now tied at five. Bucs just making it interesting.
Banda killing us!

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:04 am

I guess Banda didn't have to go thru the order 3 times to get in trouble.

INbuc · Post by **INbuc** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:18 am

So does your team have to be 5 runs down before a position player can pitch, or does it just have to be a 5 run differential? If you can do so with a five run lead we should have brought in Hayes rather than Banda. Hayes has a cannon.

JollyRoger · Post by **JollyRoger** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:35 am

Our bullpen with the exception of Bednar and Crowe is starting to suck!

gileszee · Post by **gileszee** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:59 am

Chang just missed an easy catch, it clanked right off his glove. Unbelievable.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:37 am

6D63666F79706F6F0A0 wrote: Chang just missed an easy catch, it clanked right off his glove. Unbelievable.
They're paying Chang for his hitting.

GreenWeenie · Post by **GreenWeenie** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:52 am

123F32232435226261500 wrote: Chang just missed an easy catch, it clanked right off his glove. Unbelievable.
They're paying Chang for his hitting.

If Pete Rose was paid what Chang gets paid per hit, Rose would've been a billionaire.

4,000 x $250,000

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:58 am

The Pirates didn't have a hit after the 5th inning.

In hindsight it's easy to say pulling Keller for Banda was a mistake. And I realize Keller was at 97 pitches and was in the 3rd time thru the order with runners and 1st and 3rd and 1 out. But at the time he had a 5-run lead. And 100 pitches is not a brick wall that cannot be passed. I would have left him in for at least 1 more batter to see if he could get out of trouble before pulling him. And if had got the next batter out, I would have again let him try to get the 3rd out.

But Shelton doesn't believe in letting pitchers get themselves out of trouble. At the first sign of trouble, they are pulled. He has an entire rotation that has no idea if they could ever get out of trouble because they are always replaced. That can't be a confidence booster. And it's not as if he has a lights out BP. There have been a lot of games where the BP blew the lead they inherited. I also don't see the rationale for Shelton being so petrified of a pitcher facing the lineup a 3rd time. When his BP fails, it is usually the first time the order is seeing them. Shelton is a slave to analytics so much so that performance is not part of the equation. But there's something to be said for getting thru the order twice already. Performance-wise, that's a clue that the pitcher is ahead of the hitters. But analytics-wise, the pitcher is ready to fail and must be pulled. Between his pitching philosophy and his lineups, having Shalton as manager is like spotting the other team 3 runs before the game even starts.

GreenWeenie · Post by **GreenWeenie** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:01 am

794C5B5B50695B5B50575B3E0 wrote: Chang just missed an easy catch, it clanked right off his glove. Unbelievable.
They're paying Chang for his hitting.

If Pete Rose was paid what Chang gets paid per hit, Rose would've been a billionaire.

4,000 x $250,000

Then again.....Barry Bonds is thinking, "What about me?"