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4A4B5041571710240 wrote: I think it’s time the Pirates drop Polanco down in the order as well. He is hitting .119 in his last 10 games which is pathetic. You gotta make some kind of move there, and also the Pirates have to get more out of their lead off spot. Since JHay got hurt their on base percentage with Rodriguez and Frazier has been awful. So I don’t know what they do there but sitting around doing nothing is not the answer either.
I would get Moroff some starts. He has shown in the minors that he is capable of getting on base. It hasn't translated to MLB just yet but he hasn't had many opportunities either.


You know I agree.  I'm pretty much convinced Frazier has no future as a starting 2bman.   He will surely hit better,  but not good enough to make up for the glove work.



Moroff has a chance to be something more because of hisglove/bat combination.  Frazier has none, imo. We need to see if Moroff can hold those minor league walk and HR rates and the only way to do that is to play him for a stretch. Ended last year very strong after starting terribly. More time please.

2A21292520213A7F790E372F262121602D214E0 wrote: It's the pitchers for sure.  There have been some lapses by Cervelli, but overall he is a very good catcher at blocking pitches.  Plus, it's only a wild pitch with a runner advances.  How many don't even get recorded?


I would be tempted to argue the opposite.  The catchers (primarily Cervelli) are the common denominator.  If pitchers are going to throw breaking balls in the dirt, catchers have to stop it.  Especially if we are getting swinging strikes on them.



I'm not sure how to get the stat, but I'd be interested in knowing how many of those 21 WP were strikes.  A handful of those WP's were third strikes that catchers couldn't block.


Then they would be passed balls.


I've seen some batters whiff on a ball outside and in the dirt on 3rd strike and it's called a WP when the catcher can't hold it. It's up to the official scorer as to whether a WP or PB.




Pitchers shouldn't be throwing breaking balls in the dirt, especially before the plate.  Not sure how many times a ball bounces that is it called a Passed Ball.  Cervelli blocks a bunch of pitches (overall), especially so far this season.




Zero times.   If a ball bounces and a runner advances, it is a wild pitch 100% of the time.  I don't consider Cervelli a good defensive catcher, but have only seen a couple WPs where I thought he was being lazy.   Most of them have been fastballs off the plate and in the dirt(have to glove) or spiked curveballs many feet in front of home.



Glasnow especially.  If he's bringing 96 in the dirt off the plate, it's glove or nothing.



But I'm interested in seeing if this continues and we can see a bigger sample

6B626A7B750F0 wrote: I think it’s time the Pirates drop Polanco down in the order as well. He is hitting .119 in his last 10 games which is pathetic. You gotta make some kind of move there, and also the Pirates have to get more out of their lead off spot. Since JHay got hurt their on base percentage with Rodriguez and Frazier has been awful. So I don’t know what they do there but sitting around doing nothing is not the answer either.
I would get Moroff some starts. He has shown in the minors that he is capable of getting on base. It hasn't translated to MLB just yet but he hasn't had many opportunities either.


You know I agree.  I'm pretty much convinced Frazier has no future as a starting 2bman.   He will surely hit better,  but not good enough to make up for the glove work.



Moroff has a chance to be something more because of hisglove/bat combination.  Frazier has none, imo.  We need to see if Moroff can hold those minor league walk and HR rates and the only way to do that is to play him for a stretch.   Ended last year very strong after starting terribly.   More time please.


You're correct that Frazier has no future at 2b. He is proving that again. I've seen 2 plays since Harrison got injured where Frazier was solely responsible for runs scoring. While he didn't get an error or either play (relays that he didn't get in, hesitated) that doesn't change the fact that a competent defender could've stopped those runs from scoring both times. He will hit but he needs to be the 4th OF.

6F6E7564723235010 wrote: I think it’s time the Pirates drop Polanco down in the order as well. He is hitting .119 in his last 10 games which is pathetic. You gotta make some kind of move there, and also the Pirates have to get more out of their lead off spot. Since JHay got hurt their on base percentage with Rodriguez and Frazier has been awful. So I don’t know what they do there but sitting around doing nothing is not the answer either.
I would get Moroff some starts. He has shown in the minors that he is capable of getting on base. It hasn't translated to MLB just yet but he hasn't had many opportunities either.


You know I agree.  I'm pretty much convinced Frazier has no future as a starting 2bman.   He will surely hit better,  but not good enough to make up for the glove work.



Moroff has a chance to be something more because of hisglove/bat combination.  Frazier has none, imo.  We need to see if Moroff can hold those minor league walk and HR rates and the only way to do that is to play him for a stretch.   Ended last year very strong after starting terribly.   More time please.


You're correct that Frazier has no future at 2b. He is proving that again. I've seen 2 plays since Harrison got injured where Frazier was solely responsible for runs scoring. While he didn't get an error or either play (relays that he didn't get in, hesitated) that doesn't change the fact that a competent defender could've stopped those runs from scoring both times. He will hit but he needs to be the 4th OF.
I disagree, I believe he can do a adequate job at 2nd, if played every day I believe he would be excellent at 2nd. He needs to be in the line up period we have to get someone on base consistently. I know he's in a slump but so is everyone else and he will come out of it quicker than anyone but he has to play on a regular basis. As for Moroff I'm not so high on him as you all. Frazier has proven he can hit at this level and Moroff hasn't, plan and simple.

He's not even a plus bat for the position at 98 w/RC a .735 career ops and a sub .400 slugging.



His being a good ML hitter is a myth so far. I'm not going to run him down because we're too stupid as an org to recognize he has no future as a starting 2bman.   We make mistakes like that regularly and  waste valuable time until the inevitable decision is made.  It's certainly not his fault.



I think he has a decent bat, but by no means a plus bat for a starting 2bman.   Which leaves his defense (and to a lesser extent his baserunning).  We need to set the bar much higher for our players if we want to win again.   And stop being fooled by pedestrian play and prospect pumping.



It just leads to a cycle of letdown and loss of trust

Frazier can and has hit just as well as Harrison so far in his short career. Is Harrison's bat not good enough to start too? Harrison had his breakout year at age 26. Frazier is now 26 years old.



I know Frazier's defense is bad, but his bat can certainly play at second base. He might be the best base runner on the team too.

You missed the whole point.

2E252D2124253E7B7D0A332B2225256429254A0 wrote: Frazier can and has hit just as well as Harrison so far in his short career.  Is Harrison's bat not good enough to start too?  Harrison had his breakout year at age 26.  Frazier is now 26 years old.



I know Frazier's defense is bad, but his bat can certainly play at second base.  He might be the best base runner on the team too. 
He never said that. He said its not even a plus bat. He would be an average offensive 2nd baseman and a disaster defensively. I like Frazier as a bench bat and 4th OF. He has absolutely no business playing 2nd for even a short period of time. Play Moroff and see if he can sustain his BB rates. At least the defense will be much better and their is a potential for plus power.

7F767E6F611B0 wrote: You missed the whole point.


I didn't miss the point, I simply asked a question.



You said Adam Frazier is not even a plus bat for second base: "He's not even a plus bat for the position at 98 w/RC a .735 career ops and a sub .400 slugging."



Since Josh Harrison plays second base and has similar offensive numbers as Adam Frazier, I simply asked, "Is Harrison's bat not good enough to start too?"

Do you understand what the word "plus" means?   



I'll answer your question you asked me. "yes".  Now you answer mine above.   



You see someone say the words "Too stupid as an org" and bam!  it's rush to the defense!  ALARM! RED ALERT!   



Edit:  And another thing.  You constantly use age and the performance of other players as some determining factor.   it has very little meaning to me at all.  "Harrison broke out at 26"   yeah, so what?  He's still a very average starting 2bman overall.. and he's not dragging around the anchor of being a terrible fielder (like Frazier). 



26 is old.  Just because something happens once in a while and a older player (like Arrieta, for instance) breaks out late, doesn't justify making decisions based on the relatively remote possibility that an unrelated player will break out late.  They have nothing to do with one another.  Probability is what it is, and has nothing to do with JHay breaking out at 26.  (and then going back to sleep the next year btw..)    it's just hope and hope is not a strategy, it's a religion.   



That all being said, there's a chance Frazier could win a batting title and be a great starting 2bman. What's the probability?