654845545342551516270 wrote: Edgar Santana was sent down to Indy today. Looks like the Bucs may be trying to keep Neverauskas, who is out of options.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
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Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
5F444948414D422C0 wrote: Edgar Santana was sent down to Indy today. Looks like the Bucs may be trying to keep Neverauskas, who is out of options.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
________
Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
It's as if Huntington never left.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
________
Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
It's as if Huntington never left.
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
762036222D37272C2136042329252D286A27440 wrote: Edgar Santana was sent down to Indy today. Looks like the Bucs may be trying to keep Neverauskas, who is out of options.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
________
Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
It's as if Huntington never left.
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The Pittsburgh Pirates have no more hope
Bob Nutting has gutted the Pirates of their entire legacy and now he’s taken the fans hope for the future as well
This is an article about the Pittsburgh Pirates. It feels odd to write about the Pirates at this point. It shouldn’t be odd to write about a Major League Baseball team, that’s what I get paid to do after all. What makes writing about the Pirates so damn odd is that there is a legitimate argument to be made that they aren’t a major league caliber team anymore. That’s not something that should have to be said about the Pirates, a once-proud organization that has now been reduced to jokes and derision.
How did the Pirates get to this particular place in their history? The answer resides with one name and one name alone, Bob Nutting. Nutting has been in place as principal owner of the Pirates since 2007. Outside of one brief foray into respectability that lasted from 2013-2015 (with a barely above .500 2018 thrown into the mix) Nutting has fielded a losing Pirates team every single season.
That in and of itself isn’t worthy of an article or scorn. Throughout MLB history teams have been losers for long stretches. In most cases that was due to utter futility, or in the case of the present-day Seattle Mariners it’s probably an act of one vengeful god or another. Nutting’s Pirates squad manages to stand out because of the complete and utter lack of hope.
There are no amazing prospects coming down the pipeline. Nutting continues to cry poor year after year and that eliminates any chance of spending to improve the team. The final nail in the Nutting coffin should have been a series of quotes provided by new Pirates acquisitions this offseason. Jarrod Dyson and a few others offered up that they weren’t happy to be with the Pirates. To paraphrase the quotes, “I have to play somewhere, right?” Nutting has turned the team of Roberto Clemente, Dave Parker, Barry Bonds, and Andrew McCutchen into a last resort for free agents willing to sign on the cheap just to continue playing baseball.
There are some who would lay the blame at the feet of former general manager Neal Huntington or ex-manager Clint Hurdle. They did not have good tenures with the team, at least not in totality. The key difference between then and Nutting is that ultimately Nutting has final say over all matters having to do with the team. This includes everything from who manages the team to the disastrous decision to gut Legacy Park, home to a collection of Negro League statues, in 2015. At every turn, Nutting has failed Pirates fans, the people of Pittsburgh, and his own players.
There’s one reality at play that is important to remember, Nutting isn’t going anywhere. For all his protestations to the contrary, we’ve seen enough of MLB’s financials and sales of MLB teams in recent years to know that Nutting is raking in the cash like every other MLB owner. Some of those owners are also struggling to put winning teams on the field. They haven’t sunk to the depths of Nutting though.
Bob Nutting has taken hope away from a town that loves its baseball and there’s no sign of that hope returning. As long as he keeps turning a profit Nutting couldn’t care less about hope or Pirates fans. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say the losing and the minuscule operating costs Nutting has made his team function under. Nutting has given the Pirates a new legacy, that of a team that most people have forgotten is a big-league ball club. I’m sure every Pirates fan is appreciative of their new place in the baseball landscape.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
________
Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
It's as if Huntington never left.
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The Pittsburgh Pirates have no more hope
Bob Nutting has gutted the Pirates of their entire legacy and now he’s taken the fans hope for the future as well
This is an article about the Pittsburgh Pirates. It feels odd to write about the Pirates at this point. It shouldn’t be odd to write about a Major League Baseball team, that’s what I get paid to do after all. What makes writing about the Pirates so damn odd is that there is a legitimate argument to be made that they aren’t a major league caliber team anymore. That’s not something that should have to be said about the Pirates, a once-proud organization that has now been reduced to jokes and derision.
How did the Pirates get to this particular place in their history? The answer resides with one name and one name alone, Bob Nutting. Nutting has been in place as principal owner of the Pirates since 2007. Outside of one brief foray into respectability that lasted from 2013-2015 (with a barely above .500 2018 thrown into the mix) Nutting has fielded a losing Pirates team every single season.
That in and of itself isn’t worthy of an article or scorn. Throughout MLB history teams have been losers for long stretches. In most cases that was due to utter futility, or in the case of the present-day Seattle Mariners it’s probably an act of one vengeful god or another. Nutting’s Pirates squad manages to stand out because of the complete and utter lack of hope.
There are no amazing prospects coming down the pipeline. Nutting continues to cry poor year after year and that eliminates any chance of spending to improve the team. The final nail in the Nutting coffin should have been a series of quotes provided by new Pirates acquisitions this offseason. Jarrod Dyson and a few others offered up that they weren’t happy to be with the Pirates. To paraphrase the quotes, “I have to play somewhere, right?” Nutting has turned the team of Roberto Clemente, Dave Parker, Barry Bonds, and Andrew McCutchen into a last resort for free agents willing to sign on the cheap just to continue playing baseball.
There are some who would lay the blame at the feet of former general manager Neal Huntington or ex-manager Clint Hurdle. They did not have good tenures with the team, at least not in totality. The key difference between then and Nutting is that ultimately Nutting has final say over all matters having to do with the team. This includes everything from who manages the team to the disastrous decision to gut Legacy Park, home to a collection of Negro League statues, in 2015. At every turn, Nutting has failed Pirates fans, the people of Pittsburgh, and his own players.
There’s one reality at play that is important to remember, Nutting isn’t going anywhere. For all his protestations to the contrary, we’ve seen enough of MLB’s financials and sales of MLB teams in recent years to know that Nutting is raking in the cash like every other MLB owner. Some of those owners are also struggling to put winning teams on the field. They haven’t sunk to the depths of Nutting though.
Bob Nutting has taken hope away from a town that loves its baseball and there’s no sign of that hope returning. As long as he keeps turning a profit Nutting couldn’t care less about hope or Pirates fans. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say the losing and the minuscule operating costs Nutting has made his team function under. Nutting has given the Pirates a new legacy, that of a team that most people have forgotten is a big-league ball club. I’m sure every Pirates fan is appreciative of their new place in the baseball landscape.
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Bobster21
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
554E43424B4748260 wrote: Edgar Santana was sent down to Indy today. Looks like the Bucs may be trying to keep Neverauskas, who is out of options.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
________
Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
It's as if Huntington never left.
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The Pittsburgh Pirates have no more hope
Bob Nutting has gutted the Pirates of their entire legacy and now he’s taken the fans hope for the future as well
This is an article about the Pittsburgh Pirates. It feels odd to write about the Pirates at this point. It shouldn’t be odd to write about a Major League Baseball team, that’s what I get paid to do after all. What makes writing about the Pirates so damn odd is that there is a legitimate argument to be made that they aren’t a major league caliber team anymore. That’s not something that should have to be said about the Pirates, a once-proud organization that has now been reduced to jokes and derision.
How did the Pirates get to this particular place in their history? The answer resides with one name and one name alone, Bob Nutting. Nutting has been in place as principal owner of the Pirates since 2007. Outside of one brief foray into respectability that lasted from 2013-2015 (with a barely above .500 2018 thrown into the mix) Nutting has fielded a losing Pirates team every single season.
That in and of itself isn’t worthy of an article or scorn. Throughout MLB history teams have been losers for long stretches. In most cases that was due to utter futility, or in the case of the present-day Seattle Mariners it’s probably an act of one vengeful god or another. Nutting’s Pirates squad manages to stand out because of the complete and utter lack of hope.
There are no amazing prospects coming down the pipeline. Nutting continues to cry poor year after year and that eliminates any chance of spending to improve the team. The final nail in the Nutting coffin should have been a series of quotes provided by new Pirates acquisitions this offseason. Jarrod Dyson and a few others offered up that they weren’t happy to be with the Pirates. To paraphrase the quotes, “I have to play somewhere, right?” Nutting has turned the team of Roberto Clemente, Dave Parker, Barry Bonds, and Andrew McCutchen into a last resort for free agents willing to sign on the cheap just to continue playing baseball.
There are some who would lay the blame at the feet of former general manager Neal Huntington or ex-manager Clint Hurdle. They did not have good tenures with the team, at least not in totality. The key difference between then and Nutting is that ultimately Nutting has final say over all matters having to do with the team. This includes everything from who manages the team to the disastrous decision to gut Legacy Park, home to a collection of Negro League statues, in 2015. At every turn, Nutting has failed Pirates fans, the people of Pittsburgh, and his own players.
There’s one reality at play that is important to remember, Nutting isn’t going anywhere. For all his protestations to the contrary, we’ve seen enough of MLB’s financials and sales of MLB teams in recent years to know that Nutting is raking in the cash like every other MLB owner. Some of those owners are also struggling to put winning teams on the field. They haven’t sunk to the depths of Nutting though.
Bob Nutting has taken hope away from a town that loves its baseball and there’s no sign of that hope returning. As long as he keeps turning a profit Nutting couldn’t care less about hope or Pirates fans. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say the losing and the minuscule operating costs Nutting has made his team function under. Nutting has given the Pirates a new legacy, that of a team that most people have forgotten is a big-league ball club. I’m sure every Pirates fan is appreciative of their new place in the baseball landscape.
Here's the link to shedman's article:
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2020/ ... ave-parker
I would only add that this low budget operation has been going on even before Nutting.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
________
Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
It's as if Huntington never left.
---
The Pittsburgh Pirates have no more hope
Bob Nutting has gutted the Pirates of their entire legacy and now he’s taken the fans hope for the future as well
This is an article about the Pittsburgh Pirates. It feels odd to write about the Pirates at this point. It shouldn’t be odd to write about a Major League Baseball team, that’s what I get paid to do after all. What makes writing about the Pirates so damn odd is that there is a legitimate argument to be made that they aren’t a major league caliber team anymore. That’s not something that should have to be said about the Pirates, a once-proud organization that has now been reduced to jokes and derision.
How did the Pirates get to this particular place in their history? The answer resides with one name and one name alone, Bob Nutting. Nutting has been in place as principal owner of the Pirates since 2007. Outside of one brief foray into respectability that lasted from 2013-2015 (with a barely above .500 2018 thrown into the mix) Nutting has fielded a losing Pirates team every single season.
That in and of itself isn’t worthy of an article or scorn. Throughout MLB history teams have been losers for long stretches. In most cases that was due to utter futility, or in the case of the present-day Seattle Mariners it’s probably an act of one vengeful god or another. Nutting’s Pirates squad manages to stand out because of the complete and utter lack of hope.
There are no amazing prospects coming down the pipeline. Nutting continues to cry poor year after year and that eliminates any chance of spending to improve the team. The final nail in the Nutting coffin should have been a series of quotes provided by new Pirates acquisitions this offseason. Jarrod Dyson and a few others offered up that they weren’t happy to be with the Pirates. To paraphrase the quotes, “I have to play somewhere, right?” Nutting has turned the team of Roberto Clemente, Dave Parker, Barry Bonds, and Andrew McCutchen into a last resort for free agents willing to sign on the cheap just to continue playing baseball.
There are some who would lay the blame at the feet of former general manager Neal Huntington or ex-manager Clint Hurdle. They did not have good tenures with the team, at least not in totality. The key difference between then and Nutting is that ultimately Nutting has final say over all matters having to do with the team. This includes everything from who manages the team to the disastrous decision to gut Legacy Park, home to a collection of Negro League statues, in 2015. At every turn, Nutting has failed Pirates fans, the people of Pittsburgh, and his own players.
There’s one reality at play that is important to remember, Nutting isn’t going anywhere. For all his protestations to the contrary, we’ve seen enough of MLB’s financials and sales of MLB teams in recent years to know that Nutting is raking in the cash like every other MLB owner. Some of those owners are also struggling to put winning teams on the field. They haven’t sunk to the depths of Nutting though.
Bob Nutting has taken hope away from a town that loves its baseball and there’s no sign of that hope returning. As long as he keeps turning a profit Nutting couldn’t care less about hope or Pirates fans. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say the losing and the minuscule operating costs Nutting has made his team function under. Nutting has given the Pirates a new legacy, that of a team that most people have forgotten is a big-league ball club. I’m sure every Pirates fan is appreciative of their new place in the baseball landscape.
Here's the link to shedman's article:
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2020/ ... ave-parker
I would only add that this low budget operation has been going on even before Nutting.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
362D202128242B450 wrote: Edgar Santana was sent down to Indy today. Looks like the Bucs may be trying to keep Neverauskas, who is out of options.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
________
Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
It's as if Huntington never left.
---
The Pittsburgh Pirates have no more hope
Bob Nutting has gutted the Pirates of their entire legacy and now he’s taken the fans hope for the future as well
This is an article about the Pittsburgh Pirates. It feels odd to write about the Pirates at this point. It shouldn’t be odd to write about a Major League Baseball team, that’s what I get paid to do after all. What makes writing about the Pirates so damn odd is that there is a legitimate argument to be made that they aren’t a major league caliber team anymore. That’s not something that should have to be said about the Pirates, a once-proud organization that has now been reduced to jokes and derision.
How did the Pirates get to this particular place in their history? The answer resides with one name and one name alone, Bob Nutting. Nutting has been in place as principal owner of the Pirates since 2007. Outside of one brief foray into respectability that lasted from 2013-2015 (with a barely above .500 2018 thrown into the mix) Nutting has fielded a losing Pirates team every single season.
That in and of itself isn’t worthy of an article or scorn. Throughout MLB history teams have been losers for long stretches. In most cases that was due to utter futility, or in the case of the present-day Seattle Mariners it’s probably an act of one vengeful god or another. Nutting’s Pirates squad manages to stand out because of the complete and utter lack of hope.
There are no amazing prospects coming down the pipeline. Nutting continues to cry poor year after year and that eliminates any chance of spending to improve the team. The final nail in the Nutting coffin should have been a series of quotes provided by new Pirates acquisitions this offseason. Jarrod Dyson and a few others offered up that they weren’t happy to be with the Pirates. To paraphrase the quotes, “I have to play somewhere, right?” Nutting has turned the team of Roberto Clemente, Dave Parker, Barry Bonds, and Andrew McCutchen into a last resort for free agents willing to sign on the cheap just to continue playing baseball.
There are some who would lay the blame at the feet of former general manager Neal Huntington or ex-manager Clint Hurdle. They did not have good tenures with the team, at least not in totality. The key difference between then and Nutting is that ultimately Nutting has final say over all matters having to do with the team. This includes everything from who manages the team to the disastrous decision to gut Legacy Park, home to a collection of Negro League statues, in 2015. At every turn, Nutting has failed Pirates fans, the people of Pittsburgh, and his own players.
There’s one reality at play that is important to remember, Nutting isn’t going anywhere. For all his protestations to the contrary, we’ve seen enough of MLB’s financials and sales of MLB teams in recent years to know that Nutting is raking in the cash like every other MLB owner. Some of those owners are also struggling to put winning teams on the field. They haven’t sunk to the depths of Nutting though.
Bob Nutting has taken hope away from a town that loves its baseball and there’s no sign of that hope returning. As long as he keeps turning a profit Nutting couldn’t care less about hope or Pirates fans. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say the losing and the minuscule operating costs Nutting has made his team function under. Nutting has given the Pirates a new legacy, that of a team that most people have forgotten is a big-league ball club. I’m sure every Pirates fan is appreciative of their new place in the baseball landscape.
How many of us have written the same thoughts on various message boards, like this one, over the past several years? Two things that are so crushing for me: first, nothing will change as long as he remains the controlling owner and, second, he's not going anywhere. Our only hope as fans is that he's found to be involved in something untoward and is forced to sell.
Makes sense to option Santana, who had 3 left. They should keep their powder dry for another season.
________
Santana will be here in 3 years while they are using Neverauskas league minimum years. Then they will get rid of Neverauskus and use Sanatana's league minimum years.
Neverauskas must have incriminating photos of someone.
_________--
There are 569,000 reasons to keep Neverauskus.
It's as if Huntington never left.
---
The Pittsburgh Pirates have no more hope
Bob Nutting has gutted the Pirates of their entire legacy and now he’s taken the fans hope for the future as well
This is an article about the Pittsburgh Pirates. It feels odd to write about the Pirates at this point. It shouldn’t be odd to write about a Major League Baseball team, that’s what I get paid to do after all. What makes writing about the Pirates so damn odd is that there is a legitimate argument to be made that they aren’t a major league caliber team anymore. That’s not something that should have to be said about the Pirates, a once-proud organization that has now been reduced to jokes and derision.
How did the Pirates get to this particular place in their history? The answer resides with one name and one name alone, Bob Nutting. Nutting has been in place as principal owner of the Pirates since 2007. Outside of one brief foray into respectability that lasted from 2013-2015 (with a barely above .500 2018 thrown into the mix) Nutting has fielded a losing Pirates team every single season.
That in and of itself isn’t worthy of an article or scorn. Throughout MLB history teams have been losers for long stretches. In most cases that was due to utter futility, or in the case of the present-day Seattle Mariners it’s probably an act of one vengeful god or another. Nutting’s Pirates squad manages to stand out because of the complete and utter lack of hope.
There are no amazing prospects coming down the pipeline. Nutting continues to cry poor year after year and that eliminates any chance of spending to improve the team. The final nail in the Nutting coffin should have been a series of quotes provided by new Pirates acquisitions this offseason. Jarrod Dyson and a few others offered up that they weren’t happy to be with the Pirates. To paraphrase the quotes, “I have to play somewhere, right?” Nutting has turned the team of Roberto Clemente, Dave Parker, Barry Bonds, and Andrew McCutchen into a last resort for free agents willing to sign on the cheap just to continue playing baseball.
There are some who would lay the blame at the feet of former general manager Neal Huntington or ex-manager Clint Hurdle. They did not have good tenures with the team, at least not in totality. The key difference between then and Nutting is that ultimately Nutting has final say over all matters having to do with the team. This includes everything from who manages the team to the disastrous decision to gut Legacy Park, home to a collection of Negro League statues, in 2015. At every turn, Nutting has failed Pirates fans, the people of Pittsburgh, and his own players.
There’s one reality at play that is important to remember, Nutting isn’t going anywhere. For all his protestations to the contrary, we’ve seen enough of MLB’s financials and sales of MLB teams in recent years to know that Nutting is raking in the cash like every other MLB owner. Some of those owners are also struggling to put winning teams on the field. They haven’t sunk to the depths of Nutting though.
Bob Nutting has taken hope away from a town that loves its baseball and there’s no sign of that hope returning. As long as he keeps turning a profit Nutting couldn’t care less about hope or Pirates fans. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say the losing and the minuscule operating costs Nutting has made his team function under. Nutting has given the Pirates a new legacy, that of a team that most people have forgotten is a big-league ball club. I’m sure every Pirates fan is appreciative of their new place in the baseball landscape.
How many of us have written the same thoughts on various message boards, like this one, over the past several years? Two things that are so crushing for me: first, nothing will change as long as he remains the controlling owner and, second, he's not going anywhere. Our only hope as fans is that he's found to be involved in something untoward and is forced to sell.
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
BOB isn't going to like this: "According to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, Major League Baseball has agreed with the MLBPA to grant a full year of service time to players in 2020 regardless of how many games the schedule includes."
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
"Since Nutting took over, the Pirates have the sixth-worst record in the majors. Only the White Sox, Orioles, Marlins, Padres, and Orioles have been worse. Of the six teams at the bottom, only the Orioles and Padres have spent over the median in free agency ($615 million)."
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Bobster21
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
2F343938313D325C0 wrote: "Since Nutting took over, the Pirates have the sixth-worst record in the majors. Only the White Sox, Orioles, Marlins, Padres, and Orioles have been worse. Of the six teams at the bottom, only the Orioles and Padres have spent over the median in free agency ($615 million)."
The Orioles are so bad they made the list twice.
The Orioles are so bad they made the list twice.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
38232E2F262A254B0 wrote: "Since Nutting took over, the Pirates have the sixth-worst record in the majors. Only the White Sox, Orioles, Marlins, Padres, and Orioles have been worse. Of the six teams at the bottom, only the Orioles and Padres have spent over the median in free agency ($615 million)."
Yes, but where does the organization stand in the all important "Fewest Dollars Spent Per Win" rankings?
Yes, but where does the organization stand in the all important "Fewest Dollars Spent Per Win" rankings?
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johnfluharty
Will the Bucs Use Options to Settle the Log Jam at Pitcher?
0355435758425259544371565C50585D1F52310 wrote: "Since Nutting took over, the Pirates have the sixth-worst record in the majors. Only the White Sox, Orioles, Marlins, Padres, and Orioles have been worse. Of the six teams at the bottom, only the Orioles and Padres have spent over the median in free agency ($615 million)."
Yes, but where does the organization stand in the all important "Fewest Dollars Spent Per Win" rankings?
I didn't realize the White Sox were so bad. No excuse for that given the size of the city.
Yes, but where does the organization stand in the all important "Fewest Dollars Spent Per Win" rankings?
I didn't realize the White Sox were so bad. No excuse for that given the size of the city.