1D3B3A2D3B2B580 wrote: 1. Ralph Kiner, 2. Barry Bonds, 3. Fred Clark1900-11 13-15( as a
teenager, Possum saw him play). He was a player manager and was the winningest mgr. in Pirate History. 4. Brian Giles 5. Starling Marte
Any additions, subtractions, or thoughts?
Ok guys. Without starting a new topic, MLB named each teams all time CF.. Naturally they picked Cutch. Don't think anyone would argue with that. How about #2? Marte wasn't there long enough. I don't recall anyone who really stood out. Defensively, I have to go with Bill Virdon.Any other ideas
Andy Van Slyke, Omar Moreno, Matty Alou.
I'll add Lloyd Waner. Not as good as brother Paul, but a pretty fair baseball player in his time.
Max Carey was pretty good too. then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
Which also reminds me of Kiki Cuyler. I think he played a little center field. Another terrific hitter.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
MLB All time Pirate LF
0F29283F29394A0 wrote: then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
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GreenWeenie
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MLB All time Pirate LF
605E5B534058585373564152370 wrote: 1. Ralph Kiner, 2. Barry Bonds, 3. Fred Clark1900-11 13-15( as a
teenager, Possum saw him play). He was a player manager and was the winningest mgr. in Pirate History. 4. Brian Giles 5. Starling Marte
Any additions, subtractions, or thoughts?
Ok guys. Without starting a new topic, MLB named each teams all time CF.. Naturally they picked Cutch. Don't think anyone would argue with that. How about #2? Marte wasn't there long enough. I don't recall anyone who really stood out. Defensively, I have to go with Bill Virdon.Any other ideas
Easy. People tried selling me that NATE MCcLOUTH was the man. And, like all men, he met his Pirates fate and was dumped.
Of course, that was after they said that CHRIS DUFFY was the best of all time.
teenager, Possum saw him play). He was a player manager and was the winningest mgr. in Pirate History. 4. Brian Giles 5. Starling Marte
Any additions, subtractions, or thoughts?
Ok guys. Without starting a new topic, MLB named each teams all time CF.. Naturally they picked Cutch. Don't think anyone would argue with that. How about #2? Marte wasn't there long enough. I don't recall anyone who really stood out. Defensively, I have to go with Bill Virdon.Any other ideas
Easy. People tried selling me that NATE MCcLOUTH was the man. And, like all men, he met his Pirates fate and was dumped.
Of course, that was after they said that CHRIS DUFFY was the best of all time.
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Bobster21
MLB All time Pirate LF
712731252A30202B263103242E222A2F6D20430 wrote: then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
MLB All time Pirate LF
557875646372652526170 wrote: then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
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Bobster21
MLB All time Pirate LF
0355435758425259544371565C50585D1F52310 wrote: then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
MLB All time Pirate LF
4D606D7C7B6A7D3D3E0F0 wrote: then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
I can't imagine how badly he had to feel in that situation. Guys playing team sports rely so much on each other and here he let them all down. Of all the good things he did in his career, I'd guess that he still recalls that moment way too easily.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
I can't imagine how badly he had to feel in that situation. Guys playing team sports rely so much on each other and here he let them all down. Of all the good things he did in his career, I'd guess that he still recalls that moment way too easily.
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WildwoodDave
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7C2A3C28273D2D262B3C0E29232F2722602D4E0 wrote: then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
I can't imagine how badly he had to feel in that situation. Guys playing team sports rely so much on each other and here he let them all down. Of all the good things he did in his career, I'd guess that he still recalls that moment way too easily.
well doc, since he played for your detested Brewers, it must have brought a smile to your face
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
I can't imagine how badly he had to feel in that situation. Guys playing team sports rely so much on each other and here he let them all down. Of all the good things he did in his career, I'd guess that he still recalls that moment way too easily.
well doc, since he played for your detested Brewers, it must have brought a smile to your face
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2drfischer@gmail.c
MLB All time Pirate LF
516F6A627169696242677063060 wrote: then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
I can't imagine how badly he had to feel in that situation. Guys playing team sports rely so much on each other and here he let them all down. Of all the good things he did in his career, I'd guess that he still recalls that moment way too easily.
well doc, since he played for your detested Brewers, it must have brought a smile to your face
But that play helped the Brewers win that game. I admit I wouldn't feel as badly for him had he been a Brewer when he dropped that ball.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
I can't imagine how badly he had to feel in that situation. Guys playing team sports rely so much on each other and here he let them all down. Of all the good things he did in his career, I'd guess that he still recalls that moment way too easily.
well doc, since he played for your detested Brewers, it must have brought a smile to your face
But that play helped the Brewers win that game. I admit I wouldn't feel as badly for him had he been a Brewer when he dropped that ball.
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Bobster21
MLB All time Pirate LF
3E687E6A657F6F64697E4C6B616D6560226F0C0 wrote: then there are the Mike Kingery's and Lee Mazilli's.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
I can't imagine how badly he had to feel in that situation. Guys playing team sports rely so much on each other and here he let them all down. Of all the good things he did in his career, I'd guess that he still recalls that moment way too easily.
well doc, since he played for your detested Brewers, it must have brought a smile to your face
But that play helped the Brewers win that game. I admit I wouldn't feel as badly for him had he been a Brewer when he dropped that ball.
One of the Brewers scoring was Jeromy Burnitz who, 8 years later at age 37, would take the Pirates money for 1 more year of paychecks before retiring. He hit .230 for the Bucs.
They traded Lieber for Brant Brown to play center. They were probably the only team in the league who thought he could play center in a park like Three Rivers.
yep, and it turned out he couldn't hit either.
Do I remember correctly him hitting a ball out of Tiger Stadium one night? Sadly, all the rest of his hits as a Pirate added together didn't travel as far.
Brown did manage to hit 16 HRs in his year as a Pirate. To go along with a crisp .232 BA. But on 6/9/99 he had 5 hits in Tiger Stadium including a HR over the RF roof.
After I posted, I looked up Brown on Baseball Reference and was surprised to see he'd hit 16 HRs in his season here. He seemed to struggle from Opening Day until the end, except for that one night in Detroit. But that's what the whole 20 years of losing was like. Lots and lots of bad interrupted by the occasional amazing feat.
After seeing Brown make this play the year before in LF for the Cubs, the Pirates knew they had found their centerfielder.
I can't imagine how badly he had to feel in that situation. Guys playing team sports rely so much on each other and here he let them all down. Of all the good things he did in his career, I'd guess that he still recalls that moment way too easily.
well doc, since he played for your detested Brewers, it must have brought a smile to your face
But that play helped the Brewers win that game. I admit I wouldn't feel as badly for him had he been a Brewer when he dropped that ball.
One of the Brewers scoring was Jeromy Burnitz who, 8 years later at age 37, would take the Pirates money for 1 more year of paychecks before retiring. He hit .230 for the Bucs.