Game Thread - 9/15 - Keystone Bumblers @ Reds

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:22 pm

0F2D3E232025222D0E392F2F234C0 wrote: I've said for a few years now and it's still true ... ALL of the Pirates starting pitchers would, at best be, a No. 4 or 5 starter on a good team. The Pirates hype them up as being "good" and being "No. 1 or No. 2 starters" ... but they are only good and No. 1 starters BY PIRATE STANDARDS ... and that is by far the lowest bar and lowest standard in MLB. On a real team, the likes of Musgrove, Williams, Archer, etc... would be a decent No. 5 starter.
So true.

GreenWeenie · Post by **GreenWeenie** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:29 pm

Pitching for the Pirates is no different from pitching anywhere else.

LMGs don't cut it. For the one who does, there are 50 who won't.

WildwoodDave · Post by **WildwoodDave** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:30 pm

1E333E2F28392E6E6D5C0 wrote: I've said for a few years now and it's still true ... ALL of the Pirates starting pitchers would, at best be, a No. 4 or 5 starter on a good team. The Pirates hype them up as being "good" and being "No. 1 or No. 2 starters" ... but they are only good and No. 1 starters BY PIRATE STANDARDS ... and that is by far the lowest bar and lowest standard in MLB. On a real team, the likes of Musgrove, Williams, Archer, etc... would be a decent No. 5 starter.
So true.

#1

WildwoodDave · Post by **WildwoodDave** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:33 pm

75505353466D50585A4D3F0 wrote: 13 games left and a 2.5 games lead for the #1 pick.

That is all that matters this season?
Yep- #1 pick looking good

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:41 pm

526770707B4270707B7C70150 wrote: Pitching for the Pirates is no different from pitching anywhere else.

LMGs don't cut it. For the one who does, there are 50 who won't.
Archer wasn't a LMG. The Pirates just can't tell tell the difference between ability and inability.

GreenWeenie · Post by **GreenWeenie** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:46 pm

Archer was bad judgment on Huntington's part. That's been established. I agree. Pitching has not been our strong suit often. On the few occasion it's been, keeping it is another area of weakness, as we know.

ArnoldRothstein · Post by **ArnoldRothstein** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:46 pm

7D43464E5D45454E6E4B5C4F2A0 wrote: Yep- #1 pick looking good

As we've discussed elsewhere, it's not set in stone that this year's worst record gets the first pick.

This is quick and dirty, fewest wins for 2019-20 combined:

Tigers: 47+21=68

Orioles: 54+21=75

Royals: 59+20=79

Marlins: 57+24=81

Pirates: 69+14=83

Mariners: 68+22=90

Angels: 72+20=92

Rockies: 71+ 21=92

Blue Jays: 67+26=93

Rangers: 78+17=95

Reds: 75+24=99

Formula where 2020 counts double:

Tigers: 47+21+21=89

Orioles: 54+21+21=96

Pirates: 69+14+14=97

Royals: 59+20+20=99

Marlins: 57+24+24= 105

Tigers have 11 games scheduled, Orioles 12, Royals 11, Pirates 13, Marlins 14

Anyway, if they reach back to 2019, it'll be pretty hard to beat the Tigers.

Edit: I've also seen a suggestion they'll go back 162 games, including about the last hundred games of 2019. Tigers 46-105, with 11 to play, Pirates 54-95, with 13 to play. Tigers really stink.

GreenWeenie · Post by **GreenWeenie** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:14 pm

I wonder how many of the past 20 years of top five picks (100 in all) amounted to much.

A) Some are too recent to tell.

B) Some are on horrendous clubs (and the Pirates are horrendous at best.)

C) None of the 100 can do much alone (Refer back to B.)

Who here wants to ***wait*** another three years, and why should we be expected to?

skinnyhorse · Post by **skinnyhorse** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:29 pm

1E2B3C3C370E3C3C37303C590 wrote: Mustgroove is to Cole what Stallings was to Dixon.
I have absolutely no idea what this means, not clever though to anyone except the author I suspect.

GreenWeenie · Post by **GreenWeenie** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:05 pm

It means that Mustgroove can't carry Cole's jock.