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I remember guys on our old board telling me how were were going to follow the Astros model. Musta spun the wheel and landed on it or something.

467364646F5664646F6864010 wrote: Who needs Cole?  Who needs Verlander?  Who needs trash cans?  All you need are Rally Nuns! 



I remember guys on our old board telling me how were were going to follow the Astros model.  Musta spun the wheel and landed on it or something. 
The old board? Maybe that one we were never welcomed and it shut down after begging for money? The Pirates were pretty good the years the Astros tanked it IIRC. The PMB was gone before the Bucs got worst in baseball bad.

Could be.



I'm not convinced that there are all that many "models" to building the most successful rosters, anyway. Seems to me that every team follows the same steps, but differ in the weight that they rely on the factors.



All 30 teams use the amateur FA draft and develop. All approach the foreign market. All make trades. All pick up castoffs. All acquire the veteran FA field. All make deals during the off-season. All add or dump at the TDL. They might not do every category in every year, they they do it.



The Astros ar4n't the first team to do poorly to imrove their draft positions, either. They miight be the most recent to have done it as successfully.

Arguably the most successful at the severe "tank and dump" rebuild. They dumped, they tanked, and they didn't take too long, looking backwards anyhow. World Series in 2005. Mediocre seasons till going full Monty rebuild 2011-12-13. 2014 out of the land of 100 losses. Back in the playoffs in 2015, contend for a WC till late Sept. in 2016, back in the WS in 2017, and back again for the third time in 5 years.



They went from 12th in spending in 2005 to 30th in 2013. By 2015, they increased their payroll over 56 million from 39.2 to 95.8, and were still 29th. By 2017, they were 19th at 140.5 million. They are in the top 5 in spending the last three seasons.



So by the looks of it, the only part of the Houston model we're likely to follow are the worst in baseball type seasons.



The only models we're likely to see are the Tampa and Oakland ones.

7D5B5C49404C5B4D452E0 wrote: Arguably the most successful at the severe "tank and dump" rebuild. They dumped, they tanked, and they didn't take too long, looking backwards anyhow. World Series in 2005. Mediocre seasons till going full Monty rebuild 2011-12-13. 2014 out of the land of 100 losses. Back in the playoffs in 2015, contend for a WC till late Sept. in 2016, back in the WS in 2017, and back again for the third time in 5 years.



They went from 12th in spending in 2005 to 30th in 2013. By 2015, they increased their payroll over 56 million from 39.2 to 95.8, and were still 29th. By 2017, they were 19th at 140.5 million. They are in the top 5 in spending the last three seasons.



So by the looks of it, the only part of the Houston model we're likely to follow are the worst in baseball type seasons.



The only models we're likely to see are the Tampa and Oakland ones.






Assuming that no other factors change in whatever time period you have in mind, I'd have to agree with you. 



Beyond that, I think that those two clubs and ours' will have some company.  I'm thinking that the Orioles are doing what those clubs are doing, but TNTR, and the Marlins will probably join the club. 



The Royals did it successfully, they may, too, if they're close to what you have in mind.  They're like everyone else- trying to work their way back in.

Of the teams I mentioned, KC might spend money....Baltimore? Not sure what they do from month to month. Their owner's on the unpredictable side. The Marlins say that they'll spend money, but who knows



Agree. We're probably more in with the Rays and A's.

4E686F7A737F687E761D0 wrote: Arguably the most successful at the severe "tank and dump" rebuild. They dumped, they tanked, and they didn't take too long, looking backwards anyhow. World Series in 2005. Mediocre seasons till going full Monty rebuild 2011-12-13. 2014 out of the land of 100 losses. Back in the playoffs in 2015, contend for a WC till late Sept. in 2016, back in the WS in 2017, and back again for the third time in 5 years.



They went from 12th in spending in 2005 to 30th in 2013. By 2015, they increased their payroll over 56 million from 39.2 to 95.8, and were still 29th. By 2017, they were 19th at 140.5 million. They are in the top 5 in spending the last three seasons.



So by the looks of it, the only part of the Houston model we're likely to follow are the worst in baseball type seasons.



The only models we're likely to see are the Tampa and Oakland ones.






You forgot one model, The Nutting Model! ;D ;D ;D ;D