5E6C60607446656C61646B6C0D0 wrote: dialing back the hysteria just a weeeee bit, no we're about the same for this season. I'm still pissed about tossing away our depth for nothing though.
Agree.
The biggest loss was Melancon, but the Pirates have Watson to replace him. No one wanted Liriano or Niese anymore.
I don't know why McGuire was traded. I assumed they would give him more time to develop a bat and he would have more value being a first rounder.
And, Yes, Liriano would have been picked up off of waivers if released. Many teams would take a free Liriano.
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595E48404E591E126B4C464A4247054844462B0 wrote: But I was asking a serious question: do people think someone would have picked up Liriano just on waivers? Even if you think the worst of the Pirates management (and it's hard not to) then you'd still think they'd want young CHEAP players instead of fill-ins WHO COST MORE MONEY. It's a fun thing to say but playing Jaso instead of Bell, etc. does NOT do that.
Liranio is having a frustrating and poor season. But he's still much better than Locke, Vogelsong, and the road kill the Yankees and Jays dumped in our front yard. Keep Liranio and dump Locke and Vogelsong.
I would have no problem with A rotation of Cole, Tallion, Kuhl,_____ and Liranio in 2017 IF the _____ is a ligit #4 guy. That has the potential of a high end staff even if we don't include Glasnow and the other young arms. If they come around so much the better.
My only point being that even if they thought he was a lost cause (and no, not worth the cash) I'm sure that they would have found someone to take him for nothing. The main thrust of the trashing in this thread is that they don't care as long as they have "controllable" (cheap) players. Well if that's the case they wouldn't have tossed controllable cheap players.
Liranio is having a frustrating and poor season. But he's still much better than Locke, Vogelsong, and the road kill the Yankees and Jays dumped in our front yard. Keep Liranio and dump Locke and Vogelsong.
I would have no problem with A rotation of Cole, Tallion, Kuhl,_____ and Liranio in 2017 IF the _____ is a ligit #4 guy. That has the potential of a high end staff even if we don't include Glasnow and the other young arms. If they come around so much the better.
My only point being that even if they thought he was a lost cause (and no, not worth the cash) I'm sure that they would have found someone to take him for nothing. The main thrust of the trashing in this thread is that they don't care as long as they have "controllable" (cheap) players. Well if that's the case they wouldn't have tossed controllable cheap players.
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172529293D0F2C25282D2225440 wrote: But I was asking a serious question: do people think someone would have picked up Liriano just on waivers? Even if you think the worst of the Pirates management (and it's hard not to) then you'd still think they'd want young CHEAP players instead of fill-ins WHO COST MORE MONEY. It's a fun thing to say but playing Jaso instead of Bell, etc. does NOT do that.
Liranio is having a frustrating and poor season. But he's still much better than Locke, Vogelsong, and the road kill the Yankees and Jays dumped in our front yard. Keep Liranio and dump Locke and Vogelsong.
I would have no problem with A rotation of Cole, Tallion, Kuhl,_____ and Liranio in 2017 IF the _____ is a ligit #4 guy. That has the potential of a high end staff even if we don't include Glasnow and the other young arms. If they come around so much the better.
My only point being that even if they thought he was a lost cause (and no, not worth the cash) I'm sure that they would have found someone to take him for nothing. The main thrust of the trashing in this thread is that they don't care as long as they have "controllable" (cheap) players. Well if that's the case they wouldn't have tossed controllable cheap players.
Or even offer long term contracts to the starting eight! If they don't care, they would have traded everyone and not extend a single player. They care.
Liranio is having a frustrating and poor season. But he's still much better than Locke, Vogelsong, and the road kill the Yankees and Jays dumped in our front yard. Keep Liranio and dump Locke and Vogelsong.
I would have no problem with A rotation of Cole, Tallion, Kuhl,_____ and Liranio in 2017 IF the _____ is a ligit #4 guy. That has the potential of a high end staff even if we don't include Glasnow and the other young arms. If they come around so much the better.
My only point being that even if they thought he was a lost cause (and no, not worth the cash) I'm sure that they would have found someone to take him for nothing. The main thrust of the trashing in this thread is that they don't care as long as they have "controllable" (cheap) players. Well if that's the case they wouldn't have tossed controllable cheap players.
Or even offer long term contracts to the starting eight! If they don't care, they would have traded everyone and not extend a single player. They care.
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1F0226242A4F0 wrote: Is anyone still not convinced that after all these moves yesterday that winning is not this teams and this owners top priority when push comes to shove. I been saying that for awhile on here and get scolded and laughed at. But these moves yesterday absolutely proves this point to be true. This team would rather save money and at the same time do the unthinkable of pretty much bribing another team with 2 of your top 10 prospects just so they will eat a player you want to get rid of (Liriano's) entire salary. It's a disgrace and Huntington and this front office should be absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one." All the trades were fine??? So you were fine getting garbage like Nova who is a 2 month rental who really cant help you. And you were fine with swapping Niese for Bastardo who you didn't resign in the offseason?? So essentially Neil Walker was traded for nothing?? And plus you gave away 2 top 10 prospects and sold guys off and didn't help or restock the Minor League's at all. Huntington's statement yesterday of they felt the moves they made yesterday helped them still compete for a playoff spot this season is complete and total crap.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one." All the trades were fine??? So you were fine getting garbage like Nova who is a 2 month rental who really cant help you. And you were fine with swapping Niese for Bastardo who you didn't resign in the offseason?? So essentially Neil Walker was traded for nothing?? And plus you gave away 2 top 10 prospects and sold guys off and didn't help or restock the Minor League's at all. Huntington's statement yesterday of they felt the moves they made yesterday helped them still compete for a playoff spot this season is complete and total crap.
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0F28393D38251A2E393838255C0 wrote: Is anyone still not convinced that after all these moves yesterday that winning is not this teams and this owners top priority when push comes to shove. I been saying that for awhile on here and get scolded and laughed at. But these moves yesterday absolutely proves this point to be true. This team would rather save money and at the same time do the unthinkable of pretty much bribing another team with 2 of your top 10 prospects just so they will eat a player you want to get rid of (Liriano's) entire salary. It's a disgrace and Huntington and this front office should be absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one." All the trades were fine??? So you were fine getting garbage like Nova who is a 2 month rental who really cant help you. And you were fine with swapping Niese for Bastardo who you didn't resign in the offseason?? So essentially Neil Walker was traded for nothing?? And plus you gave away 2 top 10 prospects and sold guys off and didn't help or restock the Minor League's at all. Huntington's statement yesterday of they felt the moves they made yesterday helped them still compete for a playoff spot this season is complete and total crap.
You can't redo the past, Niese for Bastardo TODAY is a boring but fine trade (and is ADDING payroll). Nova is boring but fine. We need to focus what we're mad at here.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one." All the trades were fine??? So you were fine getting garbage like Nova who is a 2 month rental who really cant help you. And you were fine with swapping Niese for Bastardo who you didn't resign in the offseason?? So essentially Neil Walker was traded for nothing?? And plus you gave away 2 top 10 prospects and sold guys off and didn't help or restock the Minor League's at all. Huntington's statement yesterday of they felt the moves they made yesterday helped them still compete for a playoff spot this season is complete and total crap.
You can't redo the past, Niese for Bastardo TODAY is a boring but fine trade (and is ADDING payroll). Nova is boring but fine. We need to focus what we're mad at here.
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3A31393530312A6F691E273F363131703D315E0 wrote: But I was asking a serious question: do people think someone would have picked up Liriano just on waivers? Even if you think the worst of the Pirates management (and it's hard not to) then you'd still think they'd want young CHEAP players instead of fill-ins WHO COST MORE MONEY. It's a fun thing to say but playing Jaso instead of Bell, etc. does NOT do that.
Liranio is having a frustrating and poor season. But he's still much better than Locke, Vogelsong, and the road kill the Yankees and Jays dumped in our front yard. Keep Liranio and dump Locke and Vogelsong.
I would have no problem with A rotation of Cole, Tallion, Kuhl,_____ and Liranio in 2017 IF the _____ is a ligit #4 guy. That has the potential of a high end staff even if we don't include Glasnow and the other young arms. If they come around so much the better.
My only point being that even if they thought he was a lost cause (and no, not worth the cash) I'm sure that they would have found someone to take him for nothing. The main thrust of the trashing in this thread is that they don't care as long as they have "controllable" (cheap) players. Well if that's the case they wouldn't have tossed controllable cheap players.
Or even offer long term contracts to the starting eight! If they don't care, they would have traded everyone and not extend a single player. They care.
They don't care enough to want to take the team to the next level and try and win a championship. You and I both know they aren't going to take the money they saved from Liriano and Melancon and spend it on a pitcher in the offseason that can come in here and make a difference.
Liranio is having a frustrating and poor season. But he's still much better than Locke, Vogelsong, and the road kill the Yankees and Jays dumped in our front yard. Keep Liranio and dump Locke and Vogelsong.
I would have no problem with A rotation of Cole, Tallion, Kuhl,_____ and Liranio in 2017 IF the _____ is a ligit #4 guy. That has the potential of a high end staff even if we don't include Glasnow and the other young arms. If they come around so much the better.
My only point being that even if they thought he was a lost cause (and no, not worth the cash) I'm sure that they would have found someone to take him for nothing. The main thrust of the trashing in this thread is that they don't care as long as they have "controllable" (cheap) players. Well if that's the case they wouldn't have tossed controllable cheap players.
Or even offer long term contracts to the starting eight! If they don't care, they would have traded everyone and not extend a single player. They care.
They don't care enough to want to take the team to the next level and try and win a championship. You and I both know they aren't going to take the money they saved from Liriano and Melancon and spend it on a pitcher in the offseason that can come in here and make a difference.
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0B3935352113303934313E39580 wrote: Is anyone still not convinced that after all these moves yesterday that winning is not this teams and this owners top priority when push comes to shove. I been saying that for awhile on here and get scolded and laughed at. But these moves yesterday absolutely proves this point to be true. This team would rather save money and at the same time do the unthinkable of pretty much bribing another team with 2 of your top 10 prospects just so they will eat a player you want to get rid of (Liriano's) entire salary. It's a disgrace and Huntington and this front office should be absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one." All the trades were fine??? So you were fine getting garbage like Nova who is a 2 month rental who really cant help you. And you were fine with swapping Niese for Bastardo who you didn't resign in the offseason?? So essentially Neil Walker was traded for nothing?? And plus you gave away 2 top 10 prospects and sold guys off and didn't help or restock the Minor League's at all. Huntington's statement yesterday of they felt the moves they made yesterday helped them still compete for a playoff spot this season is complete and total crap.
You can't redo the past, Niese for Bastardo TODAY is a boring but fine trade (and is ADDING payroll). Nova is boring but fine. We need to focus what we're mad at here. These trades wont help this team win now and next year and in the future. So no they aren't fine. If you want to keep kissing this teams butt for wanting to save money first instead of winning games on the field that's fine. Myself and other people on this board refuse to do so. The deal with McGuire and Ramirez proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this team will do anything to save money and there is no depth that they wont stoop to do so.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one." All the trades were fine??? So you were fine getting garbage like Nova who is a 2 month rental who really cant help you. And you were fine with swapping Niese for Bastardo who you didn't resign in the offseason?? So essentially Neil Walker was traded for nothing?? And plus you gave away 2 top 10 prospects and sold guys off and didn't help or restock the Minor League's at all. Huntington's statement yesterday of they felt the moves they made yesterday helped them still compete for a playoff spot this season is complete and total crap.
You can't redo the past, Niese for Bastardo TODAY is a boring but fine trade (and is ADDING payroll). Nova is boring but fine. We need to focus what we're mad at here. These trades wont help this team win now and next year and in the future. So no they aren't fine. If you want to keep kissing this teams butt for wanting to save money first instead of winning games on the field that's fine. Myself and other people on this board refuse to do so. The deal with McGuire and Ramirez proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this team will do anything to save money and there is no depth that they wont stoop to do so.
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6D705456583D0 wrote: Is anyone still not convinced that after all these moves yesterday that winning is not this teams and this owners top priority when push comes to shove. I been saying that for awhile on here and get scolded and laughed at. But these moves yesterday absolutely proves this point to be true. This team would rather save money and at the same time do the unthinkable of pretty much bribing another team with 2 of your top 10 prospects just so they will eat a player you want to get rid of (Liriano's) entire salary. It's a disgrace and Huntington and this front office should be absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
I categorically disagree pretty much everything you said but the first sentence.
Trading Melancon was a dump, but an obvious and fruitful one. He's not the best closer in baseball. I can't imagine any one around MLB would ever suggest that. He gets the job done and has been dependable. But c'mon, he's not going to be here next year. Guys who pitch one inning are way over rated. Realistically, he is going to pitch how many more innings this year...20? In exchange for that, they got a lefty that just broke in who has some very good potential. They also got a young minor leaguer who also has big upside.
Again, closers are over rated. Melancon isn't a difference maker for this team over the last two months. Watson will step in and do a fine job. The bullpen won't miss much of a beat.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one."
We're just going to have to disagree on this issue I guess. I'll say it again - I can not imagine one other organization in the middle of a play off hunt making any of these trades. Not just this year but ever.
I actually like Rivio (sp?) and if Vogelsong and McGuire was traded for him I'd be cheering the FO on today. If that were the deal the Pirates would have greatly improved a problem area, that move would make this team better and the playoffs more realistic.
"But Mark would just walk at the end of the season". So? Two months of Malancon in a playoff run is more important than a bullpen arm that could have been acquired by other means.
Finally, the fact the Pirates actually received a potentially high end arm for Mark doesn't mean it's not a dump - the trade has saved millions of $$$ and not one penny was reinvested in other areas that could be upgraded.
I know I'm in the very small minority on Mark's trade. Nevertheless I can't imagine any other organization making this move unless there was a corresponding move to up grade. At best they tread water with this trade while saving $$$.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
I categorically disagree pretty much everything you said but the first sentence.
Trading Melancon was a dump, but an obvious and fruitful one. He's not the best closer in baseball. I can't imagine any one around MLB would ever suggest that. He gets the job done and has been dependable. But c'mon, he's not going to be here next year. Guys who pitch one inning are way over rated. Realistically, he is going to pitch how many more innings this year...20? In exchange for that, they got a lefty that just broke in who has some very good potential. They also got a young minor leaguer who also has big upside.
Again, closers are over rated. Melancon isn't a difference maker for this team over the last two months. Watson will step in and do a fine job. The bullpen won't miss much of a beat.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one."
We're just going to have to disagree on this issue I guess. I'll say it again - I can not imagine one other organization in the middle of a play off hunt making any of these trades. Not just this year but ever.
I actually like Rivio (sp?) and if Vogelsong and McGuire was traded for him I'd be cheering the FO on today. If that were the deal the Pirates would have greatly improved a problem area, that move would make this team better and the playoffs more realistic.
"But Mark would just walk at the end of the season". So? Two months of Malancon in a playoff run is more important than a bullpen arm that could have been acquired by other means.
Finally, the fact the Pirates actually received a potentially high end arm for Mark doesn't mean it's not a dump - the trade has saved millions of $$$ and not one penny was reinvested in other areas that could be upgraded.
I know I'm in the very small minority on Mark's trade. Nevertheless I can't imagine any other organization making this move unless there was a corresponding move to up grade. At best they tread water with this trade while saving $$$.
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I don't know that.
They brought in pitchers who were successful in Liriano, Burnett, and Volquez.
I am not sure why you are on this "they are cheap" agenda again. If that was the case, why did they extend Cervelli, Marte, Polanco, and Harrison? The free agent market for pitchers was outrageous last off season. That doesn't mean it will be like that again or they won't try to sign someone again.
These moves did not make the team worse. They could have made them better. We don't know yet because they haven't played a game yet. We will find out if the team is better or not shortly (see how Nova does compared to what Niese, Nicasio, and Liriano already did fro the Pirates). We will really know if they got better in 2017 when comparing Liriano to Hutchison.
They brought in pitchers who were successful in Liriano, Burnett, and Volquez.
I am not sure why you are on this "they are cheap" agenda again. If that was the case, why did they extend Cervelli, Marte, Polanco, and Harrison? The free agent market for pitchers was outrageous last off season. That doesn't mean it will be like that again or they won't try to sign someone again.
These moves did not make the team worse. They could have made them better. We don't know yet because they haven't played a game yet. We will find out if the team is better or not shortly (see how Nova does compared to what Niese, Nicasio, and Liriano already did fro the Pirates). We will really know if they got better in 2017 when comparing Liriano to Hutchison.
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66415054514C73475051514C350 wrote: Is anyone still not convinced that after all these moves yesterday that winning is not this teams and this owners top priority when push comes to shove. I been saying that for awhile on here and get scolded and laughed at. But these moves yesterday absolutely proves this point to be true. This team would rather save money and at the same time do the unthinkable of pretty much bribing another team with 2 of your top 10 prospects just so they will eat a player you want to get rid of (Liriano's) entire salary. It's a disgrace and Huntington and this front office should be absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one." All the trades were fine??? So you were fine getting garbage like Nova who is a 2 month rental who really cant help you. And you were fine with swapping Niese for Bastardo who you didn't resign in the offseason?? So essentially Neil Walker was traded for nothing?? And plus you gave away 2 top 10 prospects and sold guys off and didn't help or restock the Minor League's at all. Huntington's statement yesterday of they felt the moves they made yesterday helped them still compete for a playoff spot this season is complete and total crap.
You can't redo the past, Niese for Bastardo TODAY is a boring but fine trade (and is ADDING payroll). Nova is boring but fine. We need to focus what we're mad at here. These trades wont help this team win now and next year and in the future. So no they aren't fine. If you want to keep kissing this teams butt for wanting to save money first instead of winning games on the field that's fine. Myself and other people on this board refuse to do so. The deal with McGuire and Ramirez proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this team will do anything to save money and there is no depth that they wont stoop to do so.
I'll bite--
Who the hell's butt am I kissing exactly? We made an awful deal for a bad reason.
AGAIN--the Bastardo deal IS NOT SAVING MONEY. It might not help a TON but yesterday at 3:59 everyone hated Niese and wanted to cut him. Hey, we got anything at all. We moved on from a bad (see that?) trade. Lumping all of these deals together as being the same is not helpful, and it does not represent critical thinking.
Keeping players in the minors and veterans in the majors IS NOT SAVING MONEY IN FRONT OF EVERYTHING ELSE. You might not like them doing that but it is not saving money in any way. Putting every aspect of team management into one big pot and stirring it together does not represent critical thinking.
Nobody's going to like everything (or maybe anything) a team does. But guess what? We learn more if we can be a bit more nuanced than "we don't want to winnnnnnnnnN!!!!!!!!!" It's super clear that the different trades were made for different reasons, and it's okay to see them all individually; and no, it doesn't mean anybody is kissing anybody's butt.
Totally agree and give you credit for not using the word "trades" for the obvious salary dump and the two deck shuffling moves with the NY teams where Nova and Bastardo have been recognized by both the fans and media as being useless.
Every "deal" was a salary dump including the Shark. I give no credit for the return on Mark. No other team in the history of baseball that is in the middle of a playoff race would trade the best closer in the game for an up-and-down 7th inning guy, especially when the new closer (Watson) has been totally inconsistent this year.
If that's not enough to confirm this move as a dump, all we need to know to prove it is that not ONE PENNY went back into the team. No effort to use Mark's dumped salary to fill a need on this team. Instead more millions were dumped.
No one can tell me Malacon was a good baseball move under the circumstances. It was a pure dump.
The whole thing is disgusting.
IMO, all the trades were fine...except "that one." All the trades were fine??? So you were fine getting garbage like Nova who is a 2 month rental who really cant help you. And you were fine with swapping Niese for Bastardo who you didn't resign in the offseason?? So essentially Neil Walker was traded for nothing?? And plus you gave away 2 top 10 prospects and sold guys off and didn't help or restock the Minor League's at all. Huntington's statement yesterday of they felt the moves they made yesterday helped them still compete for a playoff spot this season is complete and total crap.
You can't redo the past, Niese for Bastardo TODAY is a boring but fine trade (and is ADDING payroll). Nova is boring but fine. We need to focus what we're mad at here. These trades wont help this team win now and next year and in the future. So no they aren't fine. If you want to keep kissing this teams butt for wanting to save money first instead of winning games on the field that's fine. Myself and other people on this board refuse to do so. The deal with McGuire and Ramirez proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this team will do anything to save money and there is no depth that they wont stoop to do so.
I'll bite--
Who the hell's butt am I kissing exactly? We made an awful deal for a bad reason.
AGAIN--the Bastardo deal IS NOT SAVING MONEY. It might not help a TON but yesterday at 3:59 everyone hated Niese and wanted to cut him. Hey, we got anything at all. We moved on from a bad (see that?) trade. Lumping all of these deals together as being the same is not helpful, and it does not represent critical thinking.
Keeping players in the minors and veterans in the majors IS NOT SAVING MONEY IN FRONT OF EVERYTHING ELSE. You might not like them doing that but it is not saving money in any way. Putting every aspect of team management into one big pot and stirring it together does not represent critical thinking.
Nobody's going to like everything (or maybe anything) a team does. But guess what? We learn more if we can be a bit more nuanced than "we don't want to winnnnnnnnnN!!!!!!!!!" It's super clear that the different trades were made for different reasons, and it's okay to see them all individually; and no, it doesn't mean anybody is kissing anybody's butt.