133E33222534236360510 wrote: It’s not because the Pirates lost both games, but this rule starting the 10th inning with a runner at 2nd base is absurd. That’s the furthest thing from baseball in general, and professional baseball in particular, that could be imagined. For all that’s holy, Rob Manfred, please do away with it at the earliest opportunity.
hate to tell you this, but the majority of the players like it. There's talk of starting a guy on first and second in the future
It doesn't surprise me that they like it. It's an easier game to play in that situation and the games end quickly. Maybe the owners can make the players feel better by starting every inning that way. The whole thing's ridiculous.
Baseball's all about working hard to accomplish something that's hard, scoring runs. To quote Jimmy Dugan, "It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, anyone could do it. It's the hard that makes it great". Extra inning baseball isn't great. It's picnic baseball.
Well, Jimmy Dugan never existed, but he's correct. I dislike this rule the most, by a long shot. You already know where I lay on the subject, pick an arbitrary number, 12,13,14,15 after that many innings, call it a tie. Ugly, but it's still real baseball. Only problem is teams playing for the tie like in hockey. Maybe now that the Pirates are hitting home runs, settle it with a home run derby like the hockey shoot out.
Seriously, if they wanted to end the game quicker, why not put a guy on third with one out? If they're going to do something bizzare, let's do it bizzarely right.
FWIW, 7 inning DH's were a close second, and the 3 batter rule for relievers not far behind that either. I prepared for life with the DH, anyone with a brain knew that was coming, a foregone conclusion. All this worry about pitchers arms, I guess they never came to figure if the pitcher bats, that's usually 2-3 AB's a game on a normal day, which means if he's an auto out, as they should be, that extends the starting pitcher an extra inning alone.
But hey, just thinking outside the box, you know the old, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The DH was supposed to make the game more exciting, yet here's MLB with a record low batting average. Everyone wanting to be that DH bomber I suppose.
I always found it curious that the DH was supposed to make the game more exciting for the fans, but there was never a discernable difference in fan interest between the 2 leagues.
What I find particularly troubling about the direction the game is taking is that there seems to be an emphasis on players playing less. The mega salaries (minimum is over half a million) seem to have lessened player enthusiasm for actually playing the game as it's all about the money now. Position players get frequent scheduled days off. Starting pitchers are out at 100 pitches if not sooner. Relief pitchers rarely go more than 1 inning. Extra innings are a mutated version of the game to end it as quickly as possible. Shelton was quoted earlier in the season as saying he liked the ghost runner because it reduced the innings for the players and he was also a fan of 7 inning D/Hs for the same reason. I grew up on the game when players never wanted to come out of the lineup and pitchers never wanted to leave a game. But now it seems they don't care as long as they cash the checks.
Unfortunately, everything you said is true :'(
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0F292E3B323E293F375C0 wrote: It’s not because the Pirates lost both games, but this rule starting the 10th inning with a runner at 2nd base is absurd. That’s the furthest thing from baseball in general, and professional baseball in particular, that could be imagined. For all that’s holy, Rob Manfred, please do away with it at the earliest opportunity.
hate to tell you this, but the majority of the players like it. There's talk of starting a guy on first and second in the future
It doesn't surprise me that they like it. It's an easier game to play in that situation and the games end quickly. Maybe the owners can make the players feel better by starting every inning that way. The whole thing's ridiculous.
Baseball's all about working hard to accomplish something that's hard, scoring runs. To quote Jimmy Dugan, "It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, anyone could do it. It's the hard that makes it great". Extra inning baseball isn't great. It's picnic baseball.
Well, Jimmy Dugan never existed, but he's correct. I dislike this rule the most, by a long shot. You already know where I lay on the subject, pick an arbitrary number, 12,13,14,15 after that many innings, call it a tie. Ugly, but it's still real baseball. Only problem is teams playing for the tie like in hockey. Maybe now that the Pirates are hitting home runs, settle it with a home run derby like the hockey shoot out.
Seriously, if they wanted to end the game quicker, why not put a guy on third with one out? If they're going to do something bizzare, let's do it bizzarely right.
FWIW, 7 inning DH's were a close second, and the 3 batter rule for relievers not far behind that either. I prepared for life with the DH, anyone with a brain knew that was coming, a foregone conclusion. All this worry about pitchers arms, I guess they never came to figure if the pitcher bats, that's usually 2-3 AB's a game on a normal day, which means if he's an auto out, as they should be, that extends the starting pitcher an extra inning alone.
But hey, just thinking outside the box, you know the old, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The DH was supposed to make the game more exciting, yet here's MLB with a record low batting average. Everyone wanting to be that DH bomber I suppose.
I don’t want the owners to think outside the box, I want them to leave the game alone. If speeding it up is what they want, then cut down on the number of commercials between innings, make the pitcher move along, and don’t allow the batters to wander out of the box. No rule changes necessary.
Cutting one, one minute commercial per half inning would reduce game time by nearly 20 minutes. I know that’ll never happen because greed trumps giving the fans what they want. But there are solutions that don’t change the game for the worse.
hate to tell you this, but the majority of the players like it. There's talk of starting a guy on first and second in the future
It doesn't surprise me that they like it. It's an easier game to play in that situation and the games end quickly. Maybe the owners can make the players feel better by starting every inning that way. The whole thing's ridiculous.
Baseball's all about working hard to accomplish something that's hard, scoring runs. To quote Jimmy Dugan, "It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, anyone could do it. It's the hard that makes it great". Extra inning baseball isn't great. It's picnic baseball.
Well, Jimmy Dugan never existed, but he's correct. I dislike this rule the most, by a long shot. You already know where I lay on the subject, pick an arbitrary number, 12,13,14,15 after that many innings, call it a tie. Ugly, but it's still real baseball. Only problem is teams playing for the tie like in hockey. Maybe now that the Pirates are hitting home runs, settle it with a home run derby like the hockey shoot out.
Seriously, if they wanted to end the game quicker, why not put a guy on third with one out? If they're going to do something bizzare, let's do it bizzarely right.
FWIW, 7 inning DH's were a close second, and the 3 batter rule for relievers not far behind that either. I prepared for life with the DH, anyone with a brain knew that was coming, a foregone conclusion. All this worry about pitchers arms, I guess they never came to figure if the pitcher bats, that's usually 2-3 AB's a game on a normal day, which means if he's an auto out, as they should be, that extends the starting pitcher an extra inning alone.
But hey, just thinking outside the box, you know the old, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The DH was supposed to make the game more exciting, yet here's MLB with a record low batting average. Everyone wanting to be that DH bomber I suppose.
I don’t want the owners to think outside the box, I want them to leave the game alone. If speeding it up is what they want, then cut down on the number of commercials between innings, make the pitcher move along, and don’t allow the batters to wander out of the box. No rule changes necessary.
Cutting one, one minute commercial per half inning would reduce game time by nearly 20 minutes. I know that’ll never happen because greed trumps giving the fans what they want. But there are solutions that don’t change the game for the worse.