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082528393E2F38787B4A0 wrote: What an absolute disgrace for Fan Appreciation Day. There was obviously no interest in winning this game. Disgusting.


just saw Delay now has been charged with 9 errors. That isn't good.



Tried to look fielding stats up on mlb.com and couldn't find any (other with individual player records). Just hitting and pitching stats were the choices.

Watching Shelton talk about the game. He's going on about his starting staff.



Though I agree there is optimism about next season, especially with how Keller has come around, Contreras doing well, and now Oviedo and Ortiz doing well so far with miniscule sample sizes, here's the big problem with all of these guys.



They need to start going 6-7 innings, not just 5 plus. That's when we'll know they have arrived.

022423363F3324323A510 wrote: Watching Shelton talk about the game. He's going on about his starting staff.



Though I agree there is optimism about next season, especially with how Keller has come around, Contreras doing well, and now Oviedo and Ortiz doing well so far with miniscule sample sizes, here's the big problem with all of these guys.



They need to start going 6-7 innings, not just 5 plus. That's when we'll know they have arrived.
The reason they don't go more than 5 has more to do with Shelton and Cherington than with themselves. As long as the team's mgt strategy is to limit the innings of the effective starters to maximize the innings of the atrocious bullpen, winning will be impossible.

5F727F6E69786F2F2C1D0 wrote: Watching Shelton talk about the game. He's going on about his starting staff.



Though I agree there is optimism about next season, especially with how Keller has come around, Contreras doing well, and now Oviedo and Ortiz doing well so far with miniscule sample sizes, here's the big problem with all of these guys.



They need to start going 6-7 innings, not just 5 plus. That's when we'll know they have arrived.
The reason they don't go more than 5 has more to do with Shelton and Cherington than with themselves. As long as the team's mgt strategy is to limit the innings of the effective starters to maximize the innings of the atrocious bullpen, winning will be impossible.
I get them limiting innings this year. Remember, Keller was about ready to run out of town. Contreras was a design hold back. Now same with Oviedo and Ortiz. I'm not sold on any other starter on the team right now.



I'm talking next season. If Shelton is indeed going to be in charge, he's going to have to let them go that extra inning, maybe sacrificing some ERA. It seems MLB as a whole sees "quality starts" as a good thing, though I still don't understand how a 4.50 ERA is all that quality. But they make those decisions.



We're going to have to see these guys do that. And it's going to take a leap of faith with management. They are going to have to let these guys grow. If they go into next season talking about innings and pitching limits on these guys, we just as may turn off the television for another season, because it will be more of the same.



I expected much better results with this team from last year. They broke camp with better players as a whole from 2021. Yet they have completely collapsed the second half. What's most amazing about it, is that the only area the team seemed to have improved, was the starting rotation, which was the weak spot of the team early on.

500610040B11010A071022050F030B0E4C01620 wrote: If I didn’t know any better, I’d guess that after this recent losing streak has placed the Pirates only behind the Nationals for the worst record in baseball, there’s now a renewed effort to lose as many games as possible in order to improve their chances for a higher pick.


My understanding is that starting next year the bottom three teams will all have the same shot at the #1 pool. The A's, Pirates, and Nats have a pretty good grip on those three slots right now.

072126333A3621373F540 wrote: Watching Shelton talk about the game. He's going on about his starting staff.



Though I agree there is optimism about next season, especially with how Keller has come around, Contreras doing well, and now Oviedo and Ortiz doing well so far with miniscule sample sizes, here's the big problem with all of these guys.



They need to start going 6-7 innings, not just 5 plus. That's when we'll know they have arrived.
The reason they don't go more than 5 has more to do with Shelton and Cherington than with themselves. As long as the team's mgt strategy is to limit the innings of the effective starters to maximize the innings of the atrocious bullpen, winning will be impossible.
I get them limiting innings this year. Remember, Keller was about ready to run out of town. Contreras was a design hold back. Now same with Oviedo and Ortiz. I'm not sold on any other starter on the team right now.



I'm talking next season. If Shelton is indeed going to be in charge, he's going to have to let them go that extra inning, maybe sacrificing some ERA. It seems MLB as a whole sees "quality starts" as a good thing, though I still don't understand how a 4.50 ERA is all that quality. But they make those decisions.



We're going to have to see these guys do that. And it's going to take a leap of faith with management. They are going to have to let these guys grow. If they go into next season talking about innings and pitching limits on these guys, we just as may turn off the television for another season, because it will be more of the same.



I expected much better results with this team from last year. They broke camp with better players as a whole from 2021. Yet they have completely collapsed the second half. What's most amazing about it, is that the only area the team seemed to have improved, was the starting rotation, which was the weak spot of the team early on.


I said this last year but the Pirates were so concerned with limiting innings in 2021 after the short 2020 season that they were going to have the same issue in 2022. Rather than build up innings as the season progresses, they do the opposite and limit innings even more late in the year. 2020 was unavoidable for pitching few innings. But they seemed to go overboard in limiting innings last year. So now they are again limiting innings so as not to pitch too many more than last year. At this rate it could take 4-5 years to get pitchers up to a normal number of innings.

It seems they've made a successful claim for Andujar.

71425E5F5C54625F4458434455595E300 wrote: It seems they've made a successful claim for Andujar.
Worth a look.

1A293534373F09342F33282F3E32355B0 wrote: If I didn’t know any better, I’d guess that after this recent losing streak has placed the Pirates only behind the Nationals for the worst record in baseball, there’s now a renewed effort to lose as many games as possible in order to improve their chances for a higher pick.


My understanding is that starting next year the bottom three teams will all have the same shot at the #1 pool. The A's, Pirates, and Nats have a pretty good grip on those three slots right now.




Thanks. I knew there was a change to the structure, but I thought the worst team had more chances, the second worst had a few less, and so on.

095F495D524858535E497B5C565A525715583B0 wrote: If I didn’t know any better, I’d guess that after this recent losing streak has placed the Pirates only behind the Nationals for the worst record in baseball, there’s now a renewed effort to lose as many games as possible in order to improve their chances for a higher pick.


My understanding is that starting next year the bottom three teams will all have the same shot at the #1 pool. The A's, Pirates, and Nats have a pretty good grip on those three slots right now.




Thanks.  I knew there was a change to the structure, but I thought the worst team had more chances, the second worst had a few less, and so on.




Babe is correct. The 3 teams with the worst record all have the same percentage of getting the number 1 pick. I think 16.5%.

Although the Pirates have a good shot of finishing 1, 2 or 3; they could also fall to #7