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2C272F2326273C797F083129202727662B27480 wrote: In my opinion it would be great if the Bucs could acquire a veteran pitcher to bridge to the back end of the bullpen pitchers. A couple years ago they had Blanton to handle those innings, so they need somebody similar to him.


When do the young pitchers play? 



Isn't it better in the long run to see who is good or not and who has a future by playing them all now? 



I just have to believe that this will all work out.  The cream will rise. 




Some don't believe we have many good options that you speak of "young people".

4F636B6C6740776171020 wrote: So --- how about an over the top move to try and create a dominant bullpen.   Assuming (a big assumption) that the Bucs are for real based on their early season performance, let's make a pitch for Iglesias with the Reds. 



He is under 30 and has a monster arm and in many respects is like our own Vasquez.  He can close and also help get crucial outs to get a game to a closer.   He also is signed to a very reasonable $5 mil/year contract for 2018, 2019 and 2020, but I understand that he can opt-out (a problem) when he becomes arbitration eligible (he will be arbitration eligible in 2019).   He also could be more interested in opting out in Pittsburgh because he wouldn't be a full-time closer. 



While it would take a lot of young talent to get him, could a move like this strike fear in the hearts of our opponents and confidence in the steps of our young starters and players. 



What would it take to get him?   I don't know, but it appears that the Reds need a lot of most everything and they clearly are unhappy with what they have since they just fired their manager and some coaches.  If Iglesias would give up at least one year of his opt out ability (Couldn't opt out until after 2019 season) following the trade, would a package along the following lines be workable:



Bryan Reynolds (yes I know that he is now injured)

Kevin Newman or Kevin Kraemer

Nick Kingham

Dario Agrazal



A bullpen of Vasquez, Iglesias, Kontos, Feliz, Glasnow, and folks could be downright nasty. Four of the above five throw 95+.  Santana, Crick, Schuegel, Romero and others would likely end up pitching much less than they would have liked.


I'm in for Iglesias. Id do that deal. Give them Newman.

0111102731313D520 wrote: In my opinion it would be great if the Bucs could acquire a veteran pitcher to bridge to the back end of the bullpen pitchers. A couple years ago they had Blanton to handle those innings, so they need somebody similar to him.


When do the young pitchers play? 



Isn't it better in the long run to see who is good or not and who has a future by playing them all now? 



I just have to believe that this will all work out.  The cream will rise. 




Some don't believe we have many good options that you speak of "young people".


So, what is your answer to the two questions asked?

404B434F4A4B501513645D454C4B4B0A474B240 wrote: In my opinion it would be great if the Bucs could acquire a veteran pitcher to bridge to the back end of the bullpen pitchers. A couple years ago they had Blanton to handle those innings, so they need somebody similar to him.


When do the young pitchers play? 



Isn't it better in the long run to see who is good or not and who has a future by playing them all now? 



I just have to believe that this will all work out.  The cream will rise. 




Some don't believe we have many good options that you speak of "young people".


So, what is your answer to the two questions asked?




It's pretty simple and not rocket science.  Go out and acquire someone.  Iglesias would make too much sense.  Of course our GM wants to continue to horde prospects - many of them that will fail.  You are all about the status quo in letting a bunch of suspects within this organization that really haven't done crap thus far a chance.



When do young pitcher play? When they have dominated or pitched well at each level. We have very few of those. Don't kid yourself. I'm sick of substandard products on the field.

How can they dominate or attempt to dominate if they are replaced by veterans?

676C64686D6C773234437A626B6C6C2D606C030 wrote: How can they dominate or attempt to dominate if they are replaced by veterans?




Give me the names of these kids who deserve a chance. These kids have had a chance to play in the minors. I don't see too many names of kids that should be given a chance because they haven't had much success. Please give me the names. Again, you are all about status quo. This is why the Pirates are where they are.

6070714650505C330 wrote: How can they dominate or attempt to dominate if they are replaced by veterans?




Give me the names of these kids who deserve a chance.  These kids have had a chance to play in the minors.  I don't see too many names of kids that should be given a chance because they haven't had much success.  Please give me the names.  Again, you are all about status quo.  This is why the Pirates are where they are.


Jameson Tallion, Chad Kuhl, Trevor Williams, Joe Musgrove all had success in the minors and some success (so far) in the majors.



Tyler Glasnow, Steven Brault, Nick Kingham, Kyle Crick, Edgar Santana, Casey Sadler, Clay Holmes, Mitch Keller all have had success in the minors.



Eyes are on some other guys like Shane Baz, Yeudy Garcia, Taylor Hearn, Brandon Waddell, Luis Escobar, Steven Jennings, and Nick Burdi.



Are they all going to make it? Probably not. Again, how do you find out if they are good enough to be in the majors or stay in the majors? You do know that every veteran you want to bring in was a rookie and a young player at one point, right?

404B434F4A4B501513645D454C4B4B0A474B240 wrote: How can they dominate or attempt to dominate if they are replaced by veterans?




Give me the names of these kids who deserve a chance.  These kids have had a chance to play in the minors.  I don't see too many names of kids that should be given a chance because they haven't had much success.  Please give me the names.  Again, you are all about status quo.  This is why the Pirates are where they are.


Jameson Tallion, Chad Kuhl, Trevor Williams, Joe Musgrove all had success in the minors and some success (so far) in the majors.



Tyler Glasnow, Steven Brault, Nick Kingham, Kyle Crick, Edgar Santana, Casey Sadler, Clay Holmes, Mitch Keller all have had success in the minors.



Eyes are on some other guys like Shane Baz, Yeudy Garcia, Taylor Hearn, Brandon Waddell, Luis Escobar, Steven Jennings, and Nick Burdi.



Are they all going to make it?  Probably not.  Again, how do you find out if they are good enough to be in the majors or stay in the majors?  You do know that every veteran you want to bring in was a rookie and a young player at one point, right? 
Gotta agree with Dog here. Historically, even the best pitchers usually take several years of MLB experience to reach their peak. Very few start off like gangbusters. Taillon has yet to pitch a full season. This is the first year Williams began the season in the rotation. Kuhl is working on only his 2nd full season. Brault has only 14 career starts. Even if they get a full year under their belts this season, they may still not reach their peaks for another year or 2. But that's the nature of pitchers. It doesn't mean they're all destined for greatness. But they haven't had time to reach their ceilings, whatever that may be.