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4th in games, 14th in WAR? C- at best.

All of his WAR is encompassed in two years with the rest of his career basically evening out at replacement level. He's virtually the same player as Kip Wells. Wells had the benefit of not having such high expectations but the detriment of never being a part of anything significant. But, I guess for me the peak value, albeit very short, means something, so I'd probably nudge them to C-.

Scott Boras and PA are two of a kind over rated jerks who have taken from baseball and not given back.  Just shows how poor the Pirates scouting was and is how many high high picks did we have the last 10 years and few if any were better than average and most awful.   Cole is the only one I can remember and he never delivered for the Pirates but it was obvious he had it in him from day one.  Not sure why its so hard to spot special players, I think I could do a better job without any help from all the experts.

Pedro was was generally considered one of the top prospects, if not the best, in his draft class. There is no shortage of reasons to criticize the Pirates but drafting Pedro shouldn't be one of them.



I always hoped Pedro would be the next Stargell. Didn't happen. Willie was an A+.

292E021503600 wrote: Pedro was was generally considered one of the top prospects, if not the best,  in his draft class.  There is no shortage of reasons to criticize the Pirates but drafting Pedro shouldn't be one of them.



I always hoped Pedro would be the next Stargell.  Didn't happen.  Willie was an A+.


This makes absolutely no sense. How in the world can anyone rationalize a complete disaster. It's like saying bad is good, somehow I don't agree. When he decided he was just to good to sign with the Pirates and wouldn't report they should have said Idyos. Just like many of our other can't miss prospects, management has no idea what they are doing. They for sure deserve criticizing not sure why anyone thinks they don't.

20383A3D3D2A3B3C212036530 wrote: Pedro was was generally considered one of the top prospects, if not the best,  in his draft class.  There is no shortage of reasons to criticize the Pirates but drafting Pedro shouldn't be one of them.



I always hoped Pedro would be the next Stargell.  Didn't happen.  Willie was an A+.


This makes absolutely no sense.   How in the world can anyone rationalize a complete disaster.  It's like saying bad is good, somehow I don't agree.   When he decided he was just to good to sign with the Pirates and wouldn't report they should have said Idyos.  Just like many of our other can't miss prospects, management has no idea what they are doing.  They for sure deserve criticizing not sure why anyone thinks they don't. 




Un-wad your panties. On draft day (and before) Pedro was long considered one of the top three prospects in the 2008 class. He certainly didn't end up that way.

5F58746375160 wrote: Pedro was was generally considered one of the top prospects, if not the best,  in his draft class.  There is no shortage of reasons to criticize the Pirates but drafting Pedro shouldn't be one of them.



I always hoped Pedro would be the next Stargell.  Didn't happen.  Willie was an A+.


This makes absolutely no sense.   How in the world can anyone rationalize a complete disaster.  It's like saying bad is good, somehow I don't agree.   When he decided he was just to good to sign with the Pirates and wouldn't report they should have said Idyos.  Just like many of our other can't miss prospects, management has no idea what they are doing.  They for sure deserve criticizing not sure why anyone thinks they don't. 




Un-wad your panties.  On draft day (and before) Pedro was long considered one of the top three prospects in the 2008 class.  He certainly didn't end up that way. 
Alvarez was a monster at Vanderbilt. He was selected for the USA National team and led them in batting average. Sports Illustrated ranked him as the best pro prospect on the team. Baseball America ranked him the team's 2nd best pro prospect. At Vanderbilt in 2007 he hit .397 with OBP .467, and SLG .706. Named MVP of SEC Tournament MVP. The only concern on draft day was that they might not be able to sign him.



IMHO, he was a huge disappointment considering he was thought to be a franchise slugger. But he was considered a legit stud coming into the draft. Obviously benefited more from metal bat and college level pitching than anyone realized. As a MLB hitter, he was dominated by LH pitching (.208) and below average vs RHP (.244). Very strong and hit pitchers' mistakes a long way. But too easy to get out when mistakes were not made. When he developed the yips throwing from 3B and then had trouble catching the ball at 1B, there was little use for a guy with HR power but who too infrequently hits safely and can't play defense. But I can't fault the Pirates for drafting him. After his college career, he was going to go very early in the draft.

7374584F593A0 wrote: Pedro was was generally considered one of the top prospects, if not the best,  in his draft class.  There is no shortage of reasons to criticize the Pirates but drafting Pedro shouldn't be one of them.



I always hoped Pedro would be the next Stargell.  Didn't happen.  Willie was an A+.


This makes absolutely no sense.   How in the world can anyone rationalize a complete disaster.  It's like saying bad is good, somehow I don't agree.   When he decided he was just to good to sign with the Pirates and wouldn't report they should have said Idyos.  Just like many of our other can't miss prospects, management has no idea what they are doing.  They for sure deserve criticizing not sure why anyone thinks they don't. 




Un-wad your panties.  On draft day (and before) Pedro was long considered one of the top three prospects in the 2008 class.  He certainly didn't end up that way. 
Don't wear panties unlike those who make excuses for a management team who has failed at drafting players for well over a decade now.

I don't fault the Pirates for drafting him.   I fault him for being so un-athletic that he can't even be used at first base defensively after playing 3b his whole life.



At least Josh Bell was an outfielder.   For Pedro to be so ungodly bad at 1b...  not even being dependable at catching pickoff attempts, for instance. it put to rest all the nonsense about his athleticism and hard work I read for a few years. 



It's hard to sift through all the garbage sometimes. Tony Sanchez had major league ready defense, Pedro was a good athlete and a hard worker, Elias Diaz is a great defensive catcher, Jose Tabata was a plus defensive outfielder, Polanco was a plus defensive outfielder.



It happens over and over again, particularly with defensive ability.