Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
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Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
The combo of Davis and Kingham is death. Neither should be in the majors.
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rucker59@gmail.com
Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
This pitching situation is truly ridiculous. An otherwise good team has been abandoned by the FO.
And can someone please explain why Frankie is sitting in the pen when he's the most qualified guy to join the rotation?
And can someone please explain why Frankie is sitting in the pen when he's the most qualified guy to join the rotation?
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Bobster21
Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
66434040557E434B495E2C0 wrote: Kingham!!!
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
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steve49
Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
113C31202736216162530 wrote: Kingham!!!
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
0C212C3D3A2B3C7C7F4E0 wrote: Kingham!!!
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
Yes it is truly a shame. This could be a very competitive team. It stinks that there are so many injuries too the pitching staff, but good organizations try to find fixes. I have all but tuned out recently. I turned the game on last night and saw Davis was starting. I turned the channel before the 1st inning was over. I am no longer going to invest time watching garbage.
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
Yes it is truly a shame. This could be a very competitive team. It stinks that there are so many injuries too the pitching staff, but good organizations try to find fixes. I have all but tuned out recently. I turned the game on last night and saw Davis was starting. I turned the channel before the 1st inning was over. I am no longer going to invest time watching garbage.
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Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
22253427346568510 wrote: Kingham!!!
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
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rucker59@gmail.com
Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
597C7F7F6A417C747661130 wrote: Kingham!!!
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
I agree with every single point you made. No, I will go further - it’s not just my opinion that you make good points, you’re points are all defensible as being correct. And here’s one more: if the Pirates were truly competitive in even the most marginal way with respect to payroll then we would all have to say they did the best they could with the resources they have. But there is absolutely no, zero, nana, doubt that there is plenty of money sitting in Nutting’s desk drawer to help this team remain competitive.
They have a very good, cheap, team that ownership and FO have simply abandoned. They have weighed the cost of winning with this very competitive team and said “we’re not interested”, regardless of available/horded resources. THIS is why MLB should be investigating.
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
I agree with every single point you made. No, I will go further - it’s not just my opinion that you make good points, you’re points are all defensible as being correct. And here’s one more: if the Pirates were truly competitive in even the most marginal way with respect to payroll then we would all have to say they did the best they could with the resources they have. But there is absolutely no, zero, nana, doubt that there is plenty of money sitting in Nutting’s desk drawer to help this team remain competitive.
They have a very good, cheap, team that ownership and FO have simply abandoned. They have weighed the cost of winning with this very competitive team and said “we’re not interested”, regardless of available/horded resources. THIS is why MLB should be investigating.
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Bobster21
Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
6E697F77796E29255C7B717D7570327F73711C0 wrote: Kingham!!!
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
I agree with every single point you made. No, I will go further - it’s not just my opinion that you make good points, you’re points are all defensible as being correct. And here’s one more: if the Pirates were truly competitive in even the most marginal way with respect to payroll then we would all have to say they did the best they could with the resources they have. But there is absolutely no, zero, nana, doubt that there is plenty of money sitting in Nutting’s desk drawer to help this team remain competitive.
They have a very good, cheap, team that ownership and FO have simply abandoned. They have weighed the cost of winning with this very competitive team and said “we’re not interested”, regardless of available/horded resources. THIS is why MLB should be investigating.
I've been saying this for a long time. Nutting is not stupid. He's a successful businessman. I'm sure he employs plenty of bean counters to ensure profit. The most telling factor in the team's decline is that it began immediately after the franchise attendance record was set in 2015 when the fans responded in droves to a good, entertaining team. So much for spending more to enhance the team when the fans showed unprecedented support. Since then, the payroll and the talent has been reduced.
Obviously, attendance and revenue would increase if the on field product was better, but that costs money. I don't see any other explanation except that they calculated the current profit margin, estimated the ratio of increased payroll expenditure vs increased revenue from attendance or a better TV deal, and concluded that it was too risky a business venture to increase their operating costs in hopes of enhancing profit when the organization is already profitable. They don't even try to spin it anymore. Nutting avoided Piratefest, presumably because he can't keep saying the same lines with a straight face. Coonelly seems to have fallen off the face of the earth. And NH is left to give the double talk explanations, which earned him a 4-year extension. And CH always has the look of a defeated man just collecting a paycheck as long as they'll give him one. There's not much he can do with what he's got.
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
I agree with every single point you made. No, I will go further - it’s not just my opinion that you make good points, you’re points are all defensible as being correct. And here’s one more: if the Pirates were truly competitive in even the most marginal way with respect to payroll then we would all have to say they did the best they could with the resources they have. But there is absolutely no, zero, nana, doubt that there is plenty of money sitting in Nutting’s desk drawer to help this team remain competitive.
They have a very good, cheap, team that ownership and FO have simply abandoned. They have weighed the cost of winning with this very competitive team and said “we’re not interested”, regardless of available/horded resources. THIS is why MLB should be investigating.
I've been saying this for a long time. Nutting is not stupid. He's a successful businessman. I'm sure he employs plenty of bean counters to ensure profit. The most telling factor in the team's decline is that it began immediately after the franchise attendance record was set in 2015 when the fans responded in droves to a good, entertaining team. So much for spending more to enhance the team when the fans showed unprecedented support. Since then, the payroll and the talent has been reduced.
Obviously, attendance and revenue would increase if the on field product was better, but that costs money. I don't see any other explanation except that they calculated the current profit margin, estimated the ratio of increased payroll expenditure vs increased revenue from attendance or a better TV deal, and concluded that it was too risky a business venture to increase their operating costs in hopes of enhancing profit when the organization is already profitable. They don't even try to spin it anymore. Nutting avoided Piratefest, presumably because he can't keep saying the same lines with a straight face. Coonelly seems to have fallen off the face of the earth. And NH is left to give the double talk explanations, which earned him a 4-year extension. And CH always has the look of a defeated man just collecting a paycheck as long as they'll give him one. There's not much he can do with what he's got.
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steve49
Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
5651474F4156111D644349454D480A474B49240 wrote: Kingham!!!
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
I agree with every single point you made. No, I will go further - it’s not just my opinion that you make good points, you’re points are all defensible as being correct. And here’s one more: if the Pirates were truly competitive in even the most marginal way with respect to payroll then we would all have to say they did the best they could with the resources they have. But there is absolutely no, zero, nana, doubt that there is plenty of money sitting in Nutting’s desk drawer to help this team remain competitive.
They have a very good, cheap, team that ownership and FO have simply abandoned. They have weighed the cost of winning with this very competitive team and said “we’re not interested”, regardless of available/horded resources. THIS is why MLB should be investigating.
MLB should follow the NFL blueprint IMO. Teams have a cap and have to spend a certain % of it. Teams that fail to compete year after year usually draft poorly. Thing about football is you can turn things around quickly in 1 to 3 years. What baseball and the NBA employ is crap for fans of small market teams with cheap owners. "Investigate" is a great idea but forget about that one. The large market teams are so powerful .. they just crush anything that might shift the balance of power. I'm still amazed that they were able to kill teams like the Pirates and Royals from doing Josh Bell type deals.
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
I agree with every single point you made. No, I will go further - it’s not just my opinion that you make good points, you’re points are all defensible as being correct. And here’s one more: if the Pirates were truly competitive in even the most marginal way with respect to payroll then we would all have to say they did the best they could with the resources they have. But there is absolutely no, zero, nana, doubt that there is plenty of money sitting in Nutting’s desk drawer to help this team remain competitive.
They have a very good, cheap, team that ownership and FO have simply abandoned. They have weighed the cost of winning with this very competitive team and said “we’re not interested”, regardless of available/horded resources. THIS is why MLB should be investigating.
MLB should follow the NFL blueprint IMO. Teams have a cap and have to spend a certain % of it. Teams that fail to compete year after year usually draft poorly. Thing about football is you can turn things around quickly in 1 to 3 years. What baseball and the NBA employ is crap for fans of small market teams with cheap owners. "Investigate" is a great idea but forget about that one. The large market teams are so powerful .. they just crush anything that might shift the balance of power. I'm still amazed that they were able to kill teams like the Pirates and Royals from doing Josh Bell type deals.
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Bucs @ Brewers - 6/7 - Game Thread
7572637063323F060 wrote: Kingham!!!
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
I agree with every single point you made. No, I will go further - it’s not just my opinion that you make good points, you’re points are all defensible as being correct. And here’s one more: if the Pirates were truly competitive in even the most marginal way with respect to payroll then we would all have to say they did the best they could with the resources they have. But there is absolutely no, zero, nana, doubt that there is plenty of money sitting in Nutting’s desk drawer to help this team remain competitive.
They have a very good, cheap, team that ownership and FO have simply abandoned. They have weighed the cost of winning with this very competitive team and said “we’re not interested”, regardless of available/horded resources. THIS is why MLB should be investigating.
MLB should follow the NFL blueprint IMO. Teams have a cap and have to spend a certain % of it. Teams that fail to compete year after year usually draft poorly. Thing about football is you can turn things around quickly in 1 to 3 years. What baseball and the NBA employ is crap for fans of small market teams with cheap owners. "Investigate" is a great idea but forget about that one. The large market teams are so powerful .. they just crush anything that might shift the balance of power. I'm still amazed that they were able to kill teams like the Pirates and Royals from doing Josh Bell type deals.
Steve: You make an excellent point about the Bell bonus. It was one of the few chances a small market team could lock up new talent by offering a large bonus to a player in the draft. I can’t believe MLB could get that change in place and have it agreed upon by the players union.
Another absolute ridiculous aspect of the draft is the Major Market teams just by participating in free agency can gain compensatory picks. IIRC a couple of years ago Boston signed a few high profile free agents but also lost players to free agency. They were awarded extra picks for the players they lost and had a few more picks in the draft than the Bucs.
MLB really needs to think about making the playing field more level when the next labor negotiation is underway.
One of the things I wish they would consider is continue to allow Large Markets to keep their local revenue however when it comes to national revenue they need to allocate a higher percentage to the smaller markets instead of splitting it evenly among all clubs.
Finally they absolutely need to have a minimum salary floor to keep owners like Nutting from failing to invest at the ML level.
Kills our comeback by immediately giving up a 3 run bomb by Braun.
It is absolutely inexcusable that he is still on the roster and there has not been any quality pitching brought in by the FO
At first, the FO seemed truly invested in building a winning team. But after 2015 with 98 wins and record attendance, the FO clearly did an about face. There is no longer even a pretense of trying to build a legitimate candidate for post season play. The only priority is saving money. The needs of the team are irrelevant. The obvious strategy is now is to do the best they can with whatever they've got. The excuse for past deflating moves that it gave them "financial flexibility" has been revealed to be nothing more than BS. They have one of MLB's lowest payrolls which, presumably, does indeed give them the financial flexibility to makes moves as needed. Instead, they sit on their pile of cash and watch the team flounder without doing anything more than shuttling minimum salaried AAA pitchers up and down. This owner and his hamstrung FO are embarrassments to MLB and to competitive sports in general.
And to make matters worse , they tried suck the fan base into thinking they were a contender last year. They were hoping that Kela and Archer would bring enough help to trick fans into returning to the ball park. The Archer trade was silly to begin with but if you do that and are serious about contending , you spend a little money and truly go for it. Instead they got what they deserved . The fan base never bought into it , the team stinks and Meadows , Glasnow and Baz will torture the Pirates for many years. Many on this board bought into this ploy but in all fairness , I would think most would have had a different opinion if they knew how management would follow up with shier spending .
The truly sad part is that this team is easy to root for and could potentially be a contender if only an investment in quality pitching had been made.
Bell is having a breakout MVP caliber season.
Reynolds could be the 2019 Rookie of the Year.
Cabrera has been an incredible addition.
Newman is becoming a solid 2 way player
Even Moran is putting up solid numbers
Diaz has proven to be the #1 catcher
The club has had well over 20 players on the IL and still is within striking distance
This in my opinion has been Hurdle’s best managed season so far
And yet with all of these positives ownership refused to get quality pitching help to compensate for all of the injuries
That is a travesty and by not trying to compete and put the best team that you can on the field you are not playing a sport but merely trying to glean the most money you can from an investment
I agree with every single point you made. No, I will go further - it’s not just my opinion that you make good points, you’re points are all defensible as being correct. And here’s one more: if the Pirates were truly competitive in even the most marginal way with respect to payroll then we would all have to say they did the best they could with the resources they have. But there is absolutely no, zero, nana, doubt that there is plenty of money sitting in Nutting’s desk drawer to help this team remain competitive.
They have a very good, cheap, team that ownership and FO have simply abandoned. They have weighed the cost of winning with this very competitive team and said “we’re not interested”, regardless of available/horded resources. THIS is why MLB should be investigating.
MLB should follow the NFL blueprint IMO. Teams have a cap and have to spend a certain % of it. Teams that fail to compete year after year usually draft poorly. Thing about football is you can turn things around quickly in 1 to 3 years. What baseball and the NBA employ is crap for fans of small market teams with cheap owners. "Investigate" is a great idea but forget about that one. The large market teams are so powerful .. they just crush anything that might shift the balance of power. I'm still amazed that they were able to kill teams like the Pirates and Royals from doing Josh Bell type deals.
Steve: You make an excellent point about the Bell bonus. It was one of the few chances a small market team could lock up new talent by offering a large bonus to a player in the draft. I can’t believe MLB could get that change in place and have it agreed upon by the players union.
Another absolute ridiculous aspect of the draft is the Major Market teams just by participating in free agency can gain compensatory picks. IIRC a couple of years ago Boston signed a few high profile free agents but also lost players to free agency. They were awarded extra picks for the players they lost and had a few more picks in the draft than the Bucs.
MLB really needs to think about making the playing field more level when the next labor negotiation is underway.
One of the things I wish they would consider is continue to allow Large Markets to keep their local revenue however when it comes to national revenue they need to allocate a higher percentage to the smaller markets instead of splitting it evenly among all clubs.
Finally they absolutely need to have a minimum salary floor to keep owners like Nutting from failing to invest at the ML level.