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If I were Bell, Vasquez, Reynolds, Musgrove, Williams, Brault, etc I would storm into Nutting's office and kidnap him until he agreed to spend more money, fired NH & CH and the entire coaching staff except for the hitting coaches, the scouting head and many of the scouts working for this trainwreck of a team. If that does not work I would pull an Antonio Brown or LeVeon Bell of the Stillers!

4C6B60430E0 wrote: You've got to be kidding me.




Nothing, I repeat, nothing amazes me anymore.

This is some early '50s, Rickey Dinks-level ineptitude going on out there. They'll be the worst team in history ever to appear on national television from Williamsport next Sunday. Instead of a sure loss to Chicago, the commissioner needs to step in and have the Pirates play a little league team to keep up insterest.

063837373D3433303D3D1934233E510 wrote: This is some early '50s, Rickey Dinks-level ineptitude going on out there.  They'll be the worst team in history ever to appear on national television from Williamsport next Sunday.  Instead of a sure loss to Chicago, the commissioner needs to step in and have the Pirates play a little league team to keep up interest.
That'll never happen. The Little League teams have better bullpens.

Why was Vasquez not in there in the bottom of the 8th with the bases loaded?



Give me a fu**ing break Hurdle. After the 1st hit batsmen Crick should have been pulled.



At the end of the game Wehner mentioned this streak of losing is Groundshog Day like.



The constant being Hurdle and his asinine managing, i added that part.

I don't want to see Hartlieb, Gonzalez or Diaz anymore. They suck. Why was Newman not pinch hitting for Gonzalez in the 8th? I knew Gonzalez was going to make out, he blows. What the hell is Hartlieb doing in the game trying to hold a 1 run lead? Why because he grew up 30 miles from St. Louis? Unreal.

5A777A6B6C7D6A2A29180 wrote:

That'll never happen. The Little League teams have better bullpens.




In little league, they should be called calfpens.



Yeah, I certainly wouldn't count out a team full of young-looking 15-year-old little leaguers with forged birth certificates against the Pirates. A bungee cord made out of cobwebs is less fragile than their pitching staff these days.

2F21242D3B322D2D480 wrote: Why was Vasquez not in there in the bottom of the 8th with the bases loaded?



Give me a fu**ing break Hurdle.  After the 1st hit batsmen Crick should have been pulled.



At the end of the game Wehner mentioned this streak of losing is Groundshog Day like.



The constant being Hurdle and his asinine managing, i added that part.


The fact that our best bullpen arm has barely pitched at all in the last month is enough for me to want him gone, but MLB managers all seem to be cut from the same mold.  Can we just go without one?   Maybe someone can pitch that to Nutting as a way of saving money? 

First, I am not a Hurdle fan.



But, after Crick hit Munoz on a 3-2 pitch to load the bases, the only reason to leave him in the game is because the pitcher he chose to have warming up in the pen, Stratton, was likely to perform as badly as Crick.



But, after Crick then proceeded to hit the weak hitting Krizner with his first pitch after hitting Munoz, and forcing in a run, Hurdle should have removed him, despite Crick's protestations about how the ball simply slipped. Crick was having trouble finding the plate, then he hits Munoz, and then he hits Krizner, which implies that his control problems were significantly greater than one pitch simply 'slipping'.



The results were classic. The next batter, a young inexperienced hitter, pops a granny.



This game illustrated all of what now ails the Pirates.



1) The offense produces a bunch of runs as Bell remembers how to hit home runs, and doing so with the added benefit of folks on base.



2) But, what does the starting pitcher do, he allows St. Louis to immediately climb back into the game each time the Bucs grab a lead.



3) The defense makes unforced errors that let the pitching staff down and grant St. Louis more outs in an inning.



4) The bullpen comes in and ultimately gives up even more runs than the starting pitcher. They fail to protect a 4 run lead, and then allow St. Louis to take a 3 run lead.



5) In the Pirate 9th, Reyes pops a home run to narrow the recently surrendered lead to 2 runs, but the top of the order is too exhausted to come through for a 4th time to score the last 2 runs that are needed to tie the game.



6) And 6, Vasquez sits in the pen with a hooded sweatshirt on in high 80"s temps knowing that he again will not be summoned.



I know that the majors no longer allow August waiver deals, however, in fairness to Cabrera and Liriano, the Bucs should simply release both players so that they can be picked up by a contending team rather than having to play through the remainder of this season with the Bucs. Both have done well by the Pirates this year, and the Bucs should reciprocate.



Lastly, I actually was enjoying watching yesterday's game and seeing the Bucs build a lead. But in the end, a new day, a new game, but simply a new run up to the same final result.

406C6463684F786E7E0D0 wrote: First, I am not a Hurdle fan. 



But, after Crick hit Munoz on a 3-2 pitch to load the bases, the only reason to leave him in the game is because the pitcher he chose to have warming up in the pen, Stratton, was likely to perform as badly as Crick.



But, after Crick then proceeded to hit the weak hitting Krizner with his first pitch after hitting Munoz, and forcing in a run, Hurdle should have removed him, despite Crick's protestations about how the ball simply slipped.  Crick was having trouble finding the plate, then he hits Munoz, and then he hits Krizner, which implies that his control problems were significantly greater than one pitch simply 'slipping'.



The results were classic.  The next batter, a young inexperienced hitter, pops a granny. 



This game illustrated all of what now ails the Pirates. 



1)  The offense produces a bunch of runs as Bell remembers how to hit home runs, and doing so with the added benefit of folks on base.



2)  But, what does the starting pitcher do, he allows St. Louis to immediately climb back into the game each time the Bucs grab a lead. 



3)  The defense makes unforced errors that let the pitching staff down and grant St. Louis more outs in an inning.



4)  The bullpen comes in and ultimately gives up even more runs than the starting pitcher.  They fail to protect a 4 run lead, and then allow St. Louis to take a 3 run lead.



5)  In the Pirate 9th, Reyes pops a home run to narrow the recently surrendered lead to 2 runs, but the top of the order is too exhausted to come through for a 4th time to score the last 2 runs that are needed to tie the game.



6)  And 6, Vasquez sits in the pen with a hooded sweatshirt on in high 80"s temps knowing that he again will not be summoned.



I know that the majors no longer allow August waiver deals, however, in fairness to Cabrera and Liriano, the Bucs should simply release both players so that they can be picked up by a contending team rather than having to play through the remainder of this season with the Bucs.   Both have done well by the Pirates this year, and the Bucs should reciprocate.



Lastly, I actually was enjoying watching yesterday's game and seeing the Bucs build a lead.   But in the end, a new day, a new game, but simply a new run up to the same final result.
I would add 1 more gaffe--coaching. In the first inning the Pirates have Frazier at 3B and Reynolds at 2B with no outs. The 3-4-5 batters are coming up. Marte hits a fly ball to shallow CF and the CFer catches it on the run with all his momentum on the throw home. Cora has Frazier tag up and try to score despite the low probability of being safe. Frazier is easily out by 10 feet for a DP. Bell then hits a 2 run HR with 2 outs instead of a 3-run HR with 1 out. Common sense says don't take such a risky gamble in the 1st inning when you've got the heart of the order coming up. This team self destructs on so many levels.