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59424F4E474B442A0 wrote: This looks like a thread to pile on Huntington yet give Cherington a pass.


in my view last year was the pass. The clock is ticking now. Getting Underwood shows that BC thinks the team is still not likely to have enough decent pitchers.



He picked up someone out of options and for a player rather than just cash considerations. To me, that is saying they think he has a good chance to make the team which reflects poorly on those already in the organization.

726964656C606F010 wrote: This looks like a thread to pile on Huntington yet give Cherington a pass.
Yeah, that's what this thread is all about. We're totally giving Cherington a pass on his record of developing pitching prospects. You know, his record that began last year when they didn't have the minor leagues to develop. All that development. Shedman, don't infect every thread with your hate. Cherington will be judged on his ability to develop pitchers ONCE HE ACTUALLY HAS THE CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is Mitch Keller another example?



Mitch dominated the minors and then 2019 he struggled terribly on the majors.  I imagine every Pirate fan groaned at the prospect of another disappointment.



2020 is a very SSS, but Mitch produced much better results.



Neal was the boss through 2019.

1E3F371E353D5A0 wrote: I'm still wondering just what Huntington and his crew were good at.


Wasting what little money BN gave them.
These are all relevant posts. Time will tell.

130805040D010E600 wrote: This looks like a thread to pile on Huntington yet give Cherington a pass.


This is also a Ray Searage problem more than a Huntington problem.

5A5D4B434D5A1D11684F45494144064B4745280 wrote: Is Mitch Keller another example?



Mitch dominated the minors and then 2019 he struggled terribly on the majors.  I imagine every Pirate fan groaned at the prospect of another disappointment.



2020 is a very SSS, but Mitch produced much better results.



Neal was the boss through 2019.


Keller's ERA was better, his pitching was much worse. His K rate was almost cut in half and his walk rate tripled. His 11 starts in 2019 were much more encouraging than his 5 starts in 2020. If anything, the Pirates god awful defense in 2019 killed him.

50777E7E77646777506771120 wrote: Is Mitch Keller another example?



Mitch dominated the minors and then 2019 he struggled terribly on the majors.  I imagine every Pirate fan groaned at the prospect of another disappointment.



2020 is a very SSS, but Mitch produced much better results.



Neal was the boss through 2019.


Keller's ERA was better, his pitching was much worse. His K rate was almost cut in half and his walk rate tripled. His 11 starts in 2019 were much more encouraging than his 5 starts in 2020. If anything, the Pirates god awful defense in 2019 killed him.


I have to disagree. Lowering his ERA from 7.13 in 2019 to 2.91 in 2020 was a huge step forward. The walks in 2020 were very frustrating but he lowered his hits per 9 innings from 13.5 in 2019 to 3.7 in 2020. So even with the influx of walks, his WHIP of 1.246 last year was a huge improvement over his 1.833 of 2019. And he significantly improved those stats despite a huge reduction in Ks. So maybe he went from trying to throw the ball past hitters to learning to pitch. Now he needs to reduce the walks which will also lower the pitch count so he can go further into games.

The author of the article, Jason Mackey, was on the Fan this morning with more on pitcher development. He said that the analytic tools used in the last regime were from the "stone ages" and that there were other pitchers who expressed how bad the team was at using those tools. They just wouldn't go on the record.

6F484141485B58486F584E2D0 wrote: This looks like a thread to pile on Huntington yet give Cherington a pass.


This is also a Ray Searage problem more than a Huntington problem.


I remember when some people thought Searage walked on water.

6C52575F4C54545F7F5A4D5E093B0 wrote: This looks like a thread to pile on Huntington yet give Cherington a pass.


This is also a Ray Searage problem more than a Huntington problem.


I remember when some people thought Searage walked on water.
That started when several veterans who seemed past their prime had their careers resurrected under Searage. Liriano, Volquez, Melancon and Happ all did well under Searage. But he never had a lot of success with young prospects.