644944555243541417260 wrote: I have this sinking feeling that some folks within the Pirate organization may be thinking that when Hayes, Moran, and Evans return the line-up will suddenly be deeper and that we can crawl out of this current abyss and be a better team. While I believe that adding Hayes and Moran will help, and that Evans could clearly do more in RF than Polanco, the team and line-up will still come up short. Further, other players (like is happening on many teams), and perhaps even the better players like Frazier, Stallings or Reynolds, will come up ailing, and the line-up is basically remain where it is at today.
I desperately want to see a winner in Pittsburgh, and I am not all that up for watching games when I know the team isn't very good and that they are often going to lose. That said, I believe BC should start shopping his more desirable trading pieces now and see if someone may pay more because they get a decent to good player for longer. In a typical season, many teams seem to wait to the last minute to make a move, but with so many injuries this year that are hampering even the better teams, perhaps some teams would be open to making a move earlier. And, this could particularly be true for Pirate players because with the exception of Mr. Untradeable, Polanco, no one is making any money that would scare off most teams.
The two players I would particularly try shopping now to see what materializes are Frazier and Rodriguez, and I also would be floating Anderson out there. For example, with all of the injuries on the Mets,including McNeil and now Snydergard being out for longer, perhaps they would overpay to add Frazier. They have a minor league catcher, Alvarez, who is generally considered a top 50 prospect. Mets also appear to be in a win now mode. Would the Mets accept of package of Frazier and Anderson for Alvarez?
What would Rodriguez, who has generally been lights out and healthy, and who is cheap, command in a trade?
The Pirates have some nice prospects in the minors. The current team is going nowhere. It is time to add to the prospect base and hope that they, despite lousy ownership, can eventually lead this franchise out of its purgatory. The current team on the field will even be worse, but hey, I would rather have hope.
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I desperately want to see the Pirates be a winning club too, but I don't believe that the way to get there is to keep kicking the can down the road into a perpetual rebuild for a future that never arrives in Pittsburgh. We are the only team in the Division who has never won a Division Championship since the Division structure was created. For the past 20 years, the formula has been the same. Salary dump any major league player on your roster for suspects and kick the can down the road.
It is time to try something different. Instead of dumping Frazier, Rodriguez, and Moran, we should keep them and add some more Major League players to the roster. I would start by cutting bait on Polanco and replacing him with Yasiel Puig. Then find some sapp of a GM who would trade us their Major League ballplayers for our suspects playing in A ball. Stop giving away pitchers like Musgrove and Trevor Williams and instead pickup pitchers like that from some greedy owner who wants ti dump salary to enrich himself.
Some of that I can agree with. They can't continue to look at every useful player on the roster as trade bait for more prospects. At some point they have to decide who can be kept to be productive veterans as talent from the minors makes it to the MLB roster. I would be in favor of extending Frazier, Rodriguez and Moran for several years if they believe they will be competitive by then with talent BC has added to the system since he arrived. And altho I would not want Puig, they need to look at other possible veteran additions to fill holes as needed. Not every prospect is going to pan out and they have to be willing to pay to adequately fill remaining holes. That doesn't mean becoming a top MLB spender. It only requires them to cease refusing to spend at all.
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Hey Bob, you are starting to come around.
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5C474A4B424E412F0 wrote: I have this sinking feeling that some folks within the Pirate organization may be thinking that when Hayes, Moran, and Evans return the line-up will suddenly be deeper and that we can crawl out of this current abyss and be a better team. While I believe that adding Hayes and Moran will help, and that Evans could clearly do more in RF than Polanco, the team and line-up will still come up short. Further, other players (like is happening on many teams), and perhaps even the better players like Frazier, Stallings or Reynolds, will come up ailing, and the line-up is basically remain where it is at today.
I desperately want to see a winner in Pittsburgh, and I am not all that up for watching games when I know the team isn't very good and that they are often going to lose. That said, I believe BC should start shopping his more desirable trading pieces now and see if someone may pay more because they get a decent to good player for longer. In a typical season, many teams seem to wait to the last minute to make a move, but with so many injuries this year that are hampering even the better teams, perhaps some teams would be open to making a move earlier. And, this could particularly be true for Pirate players because with the exception of Mr. Untradeable, Polanco, no one is making any money that would scare off most teams.
The two players I would particularly try shopping now to see what materializes are Frazier and Rodriguez, and I also would be floating Anderson out there. For example, with all of the injuries on the Mets,including McNeil and now Snydergard being out for longer, perhaps they would overpay to add Frazier. They have a minor league catcher, Alvarez, who is generally considered a top 50 prospect. Mets also appear to be in a win now mode. Would the Mets accept of package of Frazier and Anderson for Alvarez?
What would Rodriguez, who has generally been lights out and healthy, and who is cheap, command in a trade?
The Pirates have some nice prospects in the minors. The current team is going nowhere. It is time to add to the prospect base and hope that they, despite lousy ownership, can eventually lead this franchise out of its purgatory. The current team on the field will even be worse, but hey, I would rather have hope.
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I desperately want to see the Pirates be a winning club too, but I don't believe that the way to get there is to keep kicking the can down the road into a perpetual rebuild for a future that never arrives in Pittsburgh. We are the only team in the Division who has never won a Division Championship since the Division structure was created. For the past 20 years, the formula has been the same. Salary dump any major league player on your roster for suspects and kick the can down the road.
It is time to try something different. Instead of dumping Frazier, Rodriguez, and Moran, we should keep them and add some more Major League players to the roster. I would start by cutting bait on Polanco and replacing him with Yasiel Puig. Then find some sapp of a GM who would trade us their Major League ballplayers for our suspects playing in A ball. Stop giving away pitchers like Musgrove and Trevor Williams and instead pickup pitchers like that from some greedy owner who wants ti dump salary to enrich himself.
Some of that I can agree with. They can't continue to look at every useful player on the roster as trade bait for more prospects. At some point they have to decide who can be kept to be productive veterans as talent from the minors makes it to the MLB roster. I would be in favor of extending Frazier, Rodriguez and Moran for several years if they believe they will be competitive by then with talent BC has added to the system since he arrived. And altho I would not want Puig, they need to look at other possible veteran additions to fill holes as needed. Not every prospect is going to pan out and they have to be willing to pay to adequately fill remaining holes. That doesn't mean becoming a top MLB spender. It only requires them to cease refusing to spend at all.
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Hey Bob, you are starting to come around.
I'm saying what I've always said. I understand the need to rebuild and I don't fault BC for making that his focus even tho doing as little as possible at the MLB level. But a rebuild has to have a purpose and a goal in mind. At some point they have to be ready to compete. So they can't always be in the mode of trading veterans for more prospects.
I desperately want to see a winner in Pittsburgh, and I am not all that up for watching games when I know the team isn't very good and that they are often going to lose. That said, I believe BC should start shopping his more desirable trading pieces now and see if someone may pay more because they get a decent to good player for longer. In a typical season, many teams seem to wait to the last minute to make a move, but with so many injuries this year that are hampering even the better teams, perhaps some teams would be open to making a move earlier. And, this could particularly be true for Pirate players because with the exception of Mr. Untradeable, Polanco, no one is making any money that would scare off most teams.
The two players I would particularly try shopping now to see what materializes are Frazier and Rodriguez, and I also would be floating Anderson out there. For example, with all of the injuries on the Mets,including McNeil and now Snydergard being out for longer, perhaps they would overpay to add Frazier. They have a minor league catcher, Alvarez, who is generally considered a top 50 prospect. Mets also appear to be in a win now mode. Would the Mets accept of package of Frazier and Anderson for Alvarez?
What would Rodriguez, who has generally been lights out and healthy, and who is cheap, command in a trade?
The Pirates have some nice prospects in the minors. The current team is going nowhere. It is time to add to the prospect base and hope that they, despite lousy ownership, can eventually lead this franchise out of its purgatory. The current team on the field will even be worse, but hey, I would rather have hope.
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I desperately want to see the Pirates be a winning club too, but I don't believe that the way to get there is to keep kicking the can down the road into a perpetual rebuild for a future that never arrives in Pittsburgh. We are the only team in the Division who has never won a Division Championship since the Division structure was created. For the past 20 years, the formula has been the same. Salary dump any major league player on your roster for suspects and kick the can down the road.
It is time to try something different. Instead of dumping Frazier, Rodriguez, and Moran, we should keep them and add some more Major League players to the roster. I would start by cutting bait on Polanco and replacing him with Yasiel Puig. Then find some sapp of a GM who would trade us their Major League ballplayers for our suspects playing in A ball. Stop giving away pitchers like Musgrove and Trevor Williams and instead pickup pitchers like that from some greedy owner who wants ti dump salary to enrich himself.
Some of that I can agree with. They can't continue to look at every useful player on the roster as trade bait for more prospects. At some point they have to decide who can be kept to be productive veterans as talent from the minors makes it to the MLB roster. I would be in favor of extending Frazier, Rodriguez and Moran for several years if they believe they will be competitive by then with talent BC has added to the system since he arrived. And altho I would not want Puig, they need to look at other possible veteran additions to fill holes as needed. Not every prospect is going to pan out and they have to be willing to pay to adequately fill remaining holes. That doesn't mean becoming a top MLB spender. It only requires them to cease refusing to spend at all.
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Hey Bob, you are starting to come around.
I'm saying what I've always said. I understand the need to rebuild and I don't fault BC for making that his focus even tho doing as little as possible at the MLB level. But a rebuild has to have a purpose and a goal in mind. At some point they have to be ready to compete. So they can't always be in the mode of trading veterans for more prospects.
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547974656273642427160 wrote: I have this sinking feeling that some folks within the Pirate organization may be thinking that when Hayes, Moran, and Evans return the line-up will suddenly be deeper and that we can crawl out of this current abyss and be a better team. While I believe that adding Hayes and Moran will help, and that Evans could clearly do more in RF than Polanco, the team and line-up will still come up short. Further, other players (like is happening on many teams), and perhaps even the better players like Frazier, Stallings or Reynolds, will come up ailing, and the line-up is basically remain where it is at today.
I desperately want to see a winner in Pittsburgh, and I am not all that up for watching games when I know the team isn't very good and that they are often going to lose. That said, I believe BC should start shopping his more desirable trading pieces now and see if someone may pay more because they get a decent to good player for longer. In a typical season, many teams seem to wait to the last minute to make a move, but with so many injuries this year that are hampering even the better teams, perhaps some teams would be open to making a move earlier. And, this could particularly be true for Pirate players because with the exception of Mr. Untradeable, Polanco, no one is making any money that would scare off most teams.
The two players I would particularly try shopping now to see what materializes are Frazier and Rodriguez, and I also would be floating Anderson out there. For example, with all of the injuries on the Mets,including McNeil and now Snydergard being out for longer, perhaps they would overpay to add Frazier. They have a minor league catcher, Alvarez, who is generally considered a top 50 prospect. Mets also appear to be in a win now mode. Would the Mets accept of package of Frazier and Anderson for Alvarez?
What would Rodriguez, who has generally been lights out and healthy, and who is cheap, command in a trade?
The Pirates have some nice prospects in the minors. The current team is going nowhere. It is time to add to the prospect base and hope that they, despite lousy ownership, can eventually lead this franchise out of its purgatory. The current team on the field will even be worse, but hey, I would rather have hope.
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I desperately want to see the Pirates be a winning club too, but I don't believe that the way to get there is to keep kicking the can down the road into a perpetual rebuild for a future that never arrives in Pittsburgh. We are the only team in the Division who has never won a Division Championship since the Division structure was created. For the past 20 years, the formula has been the same. Salary dump any major league player on your roster for suspects and kick the can down the road.
It is time to try something different. Instead of dumping Frazier, Rodriguez, and Moran, we should keep them and add some more Major League players to the roster. I would start by cutting bait on Polanco and replacing him with Yasiel Puig. Then find some sapp of a GM who would trade us their Major League ballplayers for our suspects playing in A ball. Stop giving away pitchers like Musgrove and Trevor Williams and instead pickup pitchers like that from some greedy owner who wants ti dump salary to enrich himself.
Some of that I can agree with. They can't continue to look at every useful player on the roster as trade bait for more prospects. At some point they have to decide who can be kept to be productive veterans as talent from the minors makes it to the MLB roster. I would be in favor of extending Frazier, Rodriguez and Moran for several years if they believe they will be competitive by then with talent BC has added to the system since he arrived. And altho I would not want Puig, they need to look at other possible veteran additions to fill holes as needed. Not every prospect is going to pan out and they have to be willing to pay to adequately fill remaining holes. That doesn't mean becoming a top MLB spender. It only requires them to cease refusing to spend at all.
Pretty sure this was the Dave Littlefield approach. It only works if you sign above replacement players. That is an entirely different matter.
I desperately want to see a winner in Pittsburgh, and I am not all that up for watching games when I know the team isn't very good and that they are often going to lose. That said, I believe BC should start shopping his more desirable trading pieces now and see if someone may pay more because they get a decent to good player for longer. In a typical season, many teams seem to wait to the last minute to make a move, but with so many injuries this year that are hampering even the better teams, perhaps some teams would be open to making a move earlier. And, this could particularly be true for Pirate players because with the exception of Mr. Untradeable, Polanco, no one is making any money that would scare off most teams.
The two players I would particularly try shopping now to see what materializes are Frazier and Rodriguez, and I also would be floating Anderson out there. For example, with all of the injuries on the Mets,including McNeil and now Snydergard being out for longer, perhaps they would overpay to add Frazier. They have a minor league catcher, Alvarez, who is generally considered a top 50 prospect. Mets also appear to be in a win now mode. Would the Mets accept of package of Frazier and Anderson for Alvarez?
What would Rodriguez, who has generally been lights out and healthy, and who is cheap, command in a trade?
The Pirates have some nice prospects in the minors. The current team is going nowhere. It is time to add to the prospect base and hope that they, despite lousy ownership, can eventually lead this franchise out of its purgatory. The current team on the field will even be worse, but hey, I would rather have hope.
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I desperately want to see the Pirates be a winning club too, but I don't believe that the way to get there is to keep kicking the can down the road into a perpetual rebuild for a future that never arrives in Pittsburgh. We are the only team in the Division who has never won a Division Championship since the Division structure was created. For the past 20 years, the formula has been the same. Salary dump any major league player on your roster for suspects and kick the can down the road.
It is time to try something different. Instead of dumping Frazier, Rodriguez, and Moran, we should keep them and add some more Major League players to the roster. I would start by cutting bait on Polanco and replacing him with Yasiel Puig. Then find some sapp of a GM who would trade us their Major League ballplayers for our suspects playing in A ball. Stop giving away pitchers like Musgrove and Trevor Williams and instead pickup pitchers like that from some greedy owner who wants ti dump salary to enrich himself.
Some of that I can agree with. They can't continue to look at every useful player on the roster as trade bait for more prospects. At some point they have to decide who can be kept to be productive veterans as talent from the minors makes it to the MLB roster. I would be in favor of extending Frazier, Rodriguez and Moran for several years if they believe they will be competitive by then with talent BC has added to the system since he arrived. And altho I would not want Puig, they need to look at other possible veteran additions to fill holes as needed. Not every prospect is going to pan out and they have to be willing to pay to adequately fill remaining holes. That doesn't mean becoming a top MLB spender. It only requires them to cease refusing to spend at all.
Pretty sure this was the Dave Littlefield approach. It only works if you sign above replacement players. That is an entirely different matter.