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Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:19 am
by Bobster21
045244505F45555E534476515B575F5A1855360 wrote: Strange to recall a AAA OFer hitting .167. He hit .266 at low A in 2017, .275 at high A in 2018 and .277 at Altoona in 2019. Not a lot of power. Struggled badly vs AAA pitching this year. I thought maybe he recently got hot for Indy but just the opposite. He was 0 for 14 in his past 4 games and gets promoted in the midst of a 2 for 23 (.087) slump vs AAA pitching. He'll fit right in.


Maybe he was just bored in Indy.   ::)


It won't get any better with the Pirates. ;)

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:34 am
by 2drfischer@gmail.c
200D00111607105053620 wrote: Strange to recall a AAA OFer hitting .167. He hit .266 at low A in 2017, .275 at high A in 2018 and .277 at Altoona in 2019. Not a lot of power. Struggled badly vs AAA pitching this year. I thought maybe he recently got hot for Indy but just the opposite. He was 0 for 14 in his past 4 games and gets promoted in the midst of a 2 for 23 (.087) slump vs AAA pitching. He'll fit right in.


Maybe he was just bored in Indy.   ::)


It won't get any better with the Pirates.  ;)


Bobster, are you forgetting the first base to home plate rundown? The missing first base while hitting a home run silliness? There’s plenty to be excited about here in Pittsburgh. If he pays attention, Olivia just might see a runner go from first to third by cutting through the infield. Or a batter laying down a squeeze bunt with two outs. No, just about anything can happen here with the big club.

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:46 am
by Bobster21
6234223639233338352210373D31393C7E33500 wrote: Strange to recall a AAA OFer hitting .167. He hit .266 at low A in 2017, .275 at high A in 2018 and .277 at Altoona in 2019. Not a lot of power. Struggled badly vs AAA pitching this year. I thought maybe he recently got hot for Indy but just the opposite. He was 0 for 14 in his past 4 games and gets promoted in the midst of a 2 for 23 (.087) slump vs AAA pitching. He'll fit right in.


Maybe he was just bored in Indy.   ::)


It won't get any better with the Pirates.  ;)


Bobster, are you forgetting the first base to home plate rundown?  The missing first base while hitting a home run silliness?  There’s plenty to be excited about here in Pittsburgh.  If he pays attention, Olivia just might see a runner go from first to third by cutting through the infield.  Or a batter laying down a squeeze bunt with two outs.  No, just about anything can happen here with the big club.


Good point Doc. Oliva will see things with the Pirates that he never thought possible on a baseball diamond. (As long as winning isn't one of them.) And if he can maintain that .167 BA he had in AAA he could start in LF. The lil' Ka'ai'ster can only dream about hitting .167.

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:59 am
by 2drfischer@gmail.c
6D404D5C5B4A5D1D1E2F0 wrote: Strange to recall a AAA OFer hitting .167. He hit .266 at low A in 2017, .275 at high A in 2018 and .277 at Altoona in 2019. Not a lot of power. Struggled badly vs AAA pitching this year. I thought maybe he recently got hot for Indy but just the opposite. He was 0 for 14 in his past 4 games and gets promoted in the midst of a 2 for 23 (.087) slump vs AAA pitching. He'll fit right in.


Maybe he was just bored in Indy.   ::)


It won't get any better with the Pirates.  ;)


Bobster, are you forgetting the first base to home plate rundown?  The missing first base while hitting a home run silliness?  There’s plenty to be excited about here in Pittsburgh.  If he pays attention, Olivia just might see a runner go from first to third by cutting through the infield.  Or a batter laying down a squeeze bunt with two outs.  No, just about anything can happen here with the big club.


Good point Doc. Oliva will see things with the Pirates that he never thought possible on a baseball diamond. (As long as winning isn't one of them.) And if he can maintain that .167 BA he had in AAA he could start in LF. The lil' Ka'ai'ster can only dream about hitting .167.


What a sad roster this is, particularly the outfielders, with the exception of Reynolds. That very outfield has to be among the worst in baseball history.

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:04 pm
by Bobster21
Besides Oliva, the only minor league position players on the 40 man roster were Oneil Cruz (SS), Rodolfo Castro (3B) and Tucker.



Cruz (.289, 9 HRs) and Castro (.317, 10 HRs) are doing well at Altoona. Tucker was barely doing better than Oliva at Indy.



When they lost Moran from 1B they didn't really need to replace him with an outfielder. All they really needed was a warm body on the bench to PH if needed. And Oliva (.167 in AAA) is the last guy I'd want PHing. Cruz or Castro would make more sense but the Pirates probably prefer them playing everyday at Altoona rather than sitting on the Pirates' bench for an occasional PH opportunity until Moran returns. And Tucker just seems to be out of the picture altogether as far as the Pirates are concerned.



One aspect of now having a 26 man active roster is that it leaves one fewer minor leaguer on the 40 man roster. So the Bucs don't have much to choose from. But they have Difo and Bethancourt (1B, OF, C) at Indy who would be far more useful than Oliva or Tucker but aren't on the 40 man roster. Why not DFA Tucker and add someone to the 40 man roster who might actually be useful if the need arose?

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:40 pm
by Ecbucs
0B262B3A3D2C3B7B78490 wrote: Besides Oliva, the only minor league position players on the 40 man roster were Oneil Cruz (SS), Rodolfo Castro (3B) and Tucker.



Cruz (.289, 9 HRs) and Castro (.317, 10 HRs) are doing well at Altoona. Tucker was barely doing better than Oliva at Indy.



When they lost Moran from 1B they didn't really need to replace him with an outfielder. All they really needed was a warm body on the bench to PH if needed. And Oliva (.167 in AAA) is the last guy I'd want PHing. Cruz or Castro would make more sense but the Pirates probably prefer them playing everyday at Altoona rather than sitting on the Pirates' bench for an occasional PH opportunity until Moran returns. And Tucker just seems to be out of the picture altogether as far as the Pirates are concerned.



One aspect of now having a 26 man active roster is that it leaves one fewer minor leaguer on the 40 man roster. So the Bucs don't have much to choose from. But they have Difo and Bethancourt (1B, OF, C) at Indy who would be far more useful than Oliva or Tucker but aren't on the 40 man roster. Why not DFA Tucker and add someone to the 40 man roster who might actually be useful if the need arose?   


there are plenty of choices of who to designate and BC should be able to pick someone who would be no great loss. The team has so many fungible relievers its ridiculous.

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:28 pm
by 2drfischer@gmail.c
6C414C5D5A4B5C1C1F2E0 wrote: Besides Oliva, the only minor league position players on the 40 man roster were Oneil Cruz (SS), Rodolfo Castro (3B) and Tucker.



Cruz (.289, 9 HRs) and Castro (.317, 10 HRs) are doing well at Altoona. Tucker was barely doing better than Oliva at Indy.



When they lost Moran from 1B they didn't really need to replace him with an outfielder. All they really needed was a warm body on the bench to PH if needed. And Oliva (.167 in AAA) is the last guy I'd want PHing. Cruz or Castro would make more sense but the Pirates probably prefer them playing everyday at Altoona rather than sitting on the Pirates' bench for an occasional PH opportunity until Moran returns. And Tucker just seems to be out of the picture altogether as far as the Pirates are concerned.



One aspect of now having a 26 man active roster is that it leaves one fewer minor leaguer on the 40 man roster. So the Bucs don't have much to choose from. But they have Difo and Bethancourt (1B, OF, C) at Indy who would be far more useful than Oliva or Tucker but aren't on the 40 man roster. [highlight]Why not DFA Tucker[/highlight] and add someone to the 40 man roster who might actually be useful if the need arose?   


It may be because they intend to include him in a trade sometime this month to sweeten the deal. Adding in a former #1 pick might help get it done.

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:59 pm
by Bobster21
247264707F65757E736456717B777F7A3875160 wrote: Besides Oliva, the only minor league position players on the 40 man roster were Oneil Cruz (SS), Rodolfo Castro (3B) and Tucker.



Cruz (.289, 9 HRs) and Castro (.317, 10 HRs) are doing well at Altoona. Tucker was barely doing better than Oliva at Indy.



When they lost Moran from 1B they didn't really need to replace him with an outfielder. All they really needed was a warm body on the bench to PH if needed. And Oliva (.167 in AAA) is the last guy I'd want PHing. Cruz or Castro would make more sense but the Pirates probably prefer them playing everyday at Altoona rather than sitting on the Pirates' bench for an occasional PH opportunity until Moran returns. And Tucker just seems to be out of the picture altogether as far as the Pirates are concerned.



One aspect of now having a 26 man active roster is that it leaves one fewer minor leaguer on the 40 man roster. So the Bucs don't have much to choose from. But they have Difo and Bethancourt (1B, OF, C) at Indy who would be far more useful than Oliva or Tucker but aren't on the 40 man roster. [highlight]Why not DFA Tucker[/highlight] and add someone to the 40 man roster who might actually be useful if the need arose?   


It may be because they intend to include him in a trade sometime this month to sweeten the deal.  Adding in a former #1 pick might help get it done. 
I doubt that other GMs view Tucker as #1 pick material. They do their homework before a trade (unless their name is Huntington) and will know Tucker couldn't find a role with the pathetic Pirates and doesn't have a major league bat. He could be a throw in but with about as much added value as a Mario Mendoza type.

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:34 pm
by 2drfischer@gmail.c
5E737E6F68796E2E2D1C0 wrote: Besides Oliva, the only minor league position players on the 40 man roster were Oneil Cruz (SS), Rodolfo Castro (3B) and Tucker.



Cruz (.289, 9 HRs) and Castro (.317, 10 HRs) are doing well at Altoona. Tucker was barely doing better than Oliva at Indy.



When they lost Moran from 1B they didn't really need to replace him with an outfielder. All they really needed was a warm body on the bench to PH if needed. And Oliva (.167 in AAA) is the last guy I'd want PHing. Cruz or Castro would make more sense but the Pirates probably prefer them playing everyday at Altoona rather than sitting on the Pirates' bench for an occasional PH opportunity until Moran returns. And Tucker just seems to be out of the picture altogether as far as the Pirates are concerned.



One aspect of now having a 26 man active roster is that it leaves one fewer minor leaguer on the 40 man roster. So the Bucs don't have much to choose from. But they have Difo and Bethancourt (1B, OF, C) at Indy who would be far more useful than Oliva or Tucker but aren't on the 40 man roster. [highlight]Why not DFA Tucker[/highlight] and add someone to the 40 man roster who might actually be useful if the need arose?   


It may be because they intend to include him in a trade sometime this month to sweeten the deal.  Adding in a former #1 pick might help get it done. 
I doubt that other GMs view Tucker as #1 pick material. They do their homework before a trade (unless their name is Huntington) and will know Tucker couldn't find a role with the pathetic Pirates and doesn't have a major league bat. He could be a throw in [highlight]but with about as much added value as a Mario Mendoza type.[/highlight]


Bobster, comparing Tucker to Mendoza? There's no need to insult poor Mario.

Jared Oliva Recalled

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:44 pm
by WildwoodDave2
257365717E64747F726557707A767E7B3974170 wrote: Strange to recall a AAA OFer hitting .167. He hit .266 at low A in 2017, .275 at high A in 2018 and .277 at Altoona in 2019. Not a lot of power. Struggled badly vs AAA pitching this year. I thought maybe he recently got hot for Indy but just the opposite. He was 0 for 14 in his past 4 games and gets promoted in the midst of a 2 for 23 (.087) slump vs AAA pitching. He'll fit right in.


Maybe he was just bored in Indy.   ::)


It won't get any better with the Pirates.  ;)


Bobster, are you forgetting the first base to home plate rundown?  The missing first base while hitting a home run silliness?  There’s plenty to be excited about here in Pittsburgh.  If he pays attention, Olivia just might see a runner go from first to third by cutting through the infield.  Or a batter laying down a squeeze bunt with two outs.  No, just about anything can happen here with the big club.


Good point Doc. Oliva will see things with the Pirates that he never thought possible on a baseball diamond. (As long as winning isn't one of them.) And if he can maintain that .167 BA he had in AAA he could start in LF. The lil' Ka'ai'ster can only dream about hitting .167.


What a sad roster this is, particularly the outfielders, with the exception of Reynolds.  That very outfield has to be among the worst in baseball history.


Supposedly Alford was doing very good before he hurt his wrist. If and when they bring him up, hopefully Tom will be gone. I see Moran is on the IL again