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103C3433381F283E2E5D0 wrote: Perhaps what is even harder to believe is that the Bucs signed Perez for $5 mil, another $4 mil or so on Tsui--, and Reynolds will earn at least $4.2 through arbitration. 



In short, the team payroll could drop even further if BC got it together and moved Reynolds to one of the teams that covet him, or he is able to unload Perez and/or Tsui part way through the season.    With Nutting, there is no ceiling, just a floor that can always be lower.   




No ceiling, just a basement

5854550E070E060B0C13093E0 wrote: Perhaps what is even harder to believe is that the Bucs signed Perez for $5 mil, another $4 mil or so on Tsui--, and Reynolds will earn at least $4.2 through arbitration. 



In short, the team payroll could drop even further if BC got it together and moved Reynolds to one of the teams that covet him, or he is able to unload Perez and/or Tsui part way through the season.    With Nutting, there is no ceiling, just a floor that can always be lower.   




I am tired of him being cheap. His team is playing in a tax funded ballpark. He should be willing and obligated to put a competitive team on the field. We know the Pirates cannot spend like the Yanks or Dodgers, but the Brewers are small market, and they spend. I would wish that the politicians, and local media would begin to put his feet to the fire. When he treats his star player like he has with Reynolds, why would any free agent ever want to sign with Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a great sports city, but an owner like Nutting makes an outside player feels he is coming to Hell. It is time for Bob Nutting to begin operating like an owner who wants to field a competitive team, and not a minor league team.


I used to use the Milwaukee and Cincinnati comparisons.



I'm so upset that I'm not letting him off that easy.  I've added San Diego to the list.



The San Diego media market is less than Pittsburgh's (25th, 28th.) 



The money's there.  It's up to him to get it.  Other teams smaller than ours do.



Open his books....or, shut the mouths about woe is the team's finances.  The team has the money.  We know that it does.



The Brewers, Reds, and Padres have farm systems to support, too.

4A6C6B7E777B6C7A72190 wrote: Just playing devil's advocate here. Reynolds was offered a contract figure, and chose arbitration. We don't know what was offered by the team.



He chose arbitration, not the Pirates. He chose the process, not the Pirates. They exchanged figures, a process that was approved by the CBA.



The process involved those figures to be exchanged, which I'm assuming neither had knowledge of what the other's offer would be.



So does it make the Pirates cheap? What if the arbiter goes for their number? Does that make them cheap still? If the arbiter goes for Reynolds number, the Pirates are obligated to pay that number. Would they still be cheap then?




It not only makes him cheap it makes him incompetent.

Incompetent in knowing what it takes to make a winning organization. Incompetent in realizing the importance of civic pride.

Read the article in the Post Gazette on Brian Reynolds arbitration salary figures and it will make any fan furious. Pirates offered $4.25M. Reynolds had submitted $4.9M. They are a paltry (by baseball standards) $650K apart. The Pirates are willing to go to arbitration with their best player instead of rewarding him for his All Star season and making him feel valued and a cornerstone of the rebuild. Actions always speak louder than words and Nutting spews nothing but BS.

6D484B4B5E7548404255270 wrote: Just playing devil's advocate here. Reynolds was offered a contract figure, and chose arbitration. We don't know what was offered by the team.



He chose arbitration, not the Pirates. He chose the process, not the Pirates. They exchanged figures, a process that was approved by the CBA.



The process involved those figures to be exchanged, which I'm assuming neither had knowledge of what the other's offer would be.



So does it make the Pirates cheap? What if the arbiter goes for their number? Does that make them cheap still? If the arbiter goes for Reynolds number, the Pirates are obligated to pay that number. Would they still be cheap then?




It not only makes him cheap it makes him incompetent.

Incompetent in knowing what it takes to make a winning organization. Incompetent in realizing the importance of civic pride.

Read the article in the Post Gazette on Brian Reynolds arbitration salary figures and it will make any fan furious. Pirates offered $4.25M. Reynolds had submitted $4.9M. They are a paltry (by baseball standards) $650K apart. The Pirates are willing to go to arbitration with their best player instead of rewarding him for his All Star season and making him feel valued and a cornerstone of the rebuild. Actions always speak louder than words and Nutting spews nothing but BS.
I read the article you are referring too and agree with you completely. Nutting could well be the most disliked owner

in all of professional sports

I feel so badly for the guy. He doesn't have any money. I think I'll set up a GoFundHim account. The folks out in LA will surely kick in.

73565555406B565E5C4B390 wrote: Just playing devil's advocate here. Reynolds was offered a contract figure, and chose arbitration. We don't know what was offered by the team.



He chose arbitration, not the Pirates. He chose the process, not the Pirates. They exchanged figures, a process that was approved by the CBA.



The process involved those figures to be exchanged, which I'm assuming neither had knowledge of what the other's offer would be.



So does it make the Pirates cheap? What if the arbiter goes for their number? Does that make them cheap still? If the arbiter goes for Reynolds number, the Pirates are obligated to pay that number. Would they still be cheap then?




It not only makes him cheap it makes him incompetent.

Incompetent in knowing what it takes to make a winning organization. Incompetent in realizing the importance of civic pride.

Read the article in the Post Gazette on Brian Reynolds arbitration salary figures and it will make any fan furious. Pirates offered $4.25M. Reynolds had submitted $4.9M. They are a paltry (by baseball standards) $650K apart. The Pirates are willing to go to arbitration with their best player instead of rewarding him for his All Star season and making him feel valued and a cornerstone of the rebuild. Actions always speak louder than words and Nutting spews nothing but BS.
They offered him a raise 7 times his previous salary.



You didn't address anything in my post. What if the Pirates win the arbitration case? They are well known as a file and trial club. I'm not disagreeing Bob is cheap. However, take the emotion out of it, and Reynolds was the one that chose this route. It's part of the overall business of the game. The White Sox went to arbitration with Giolito over a 200,000 difference.



In 2020, were the Pirates cheap in paying him league minimum despite having an awful season? He still got a raise. $382,000 to be exact. I get that's because 2020 was prorated. But his 2021 season salary was $115,00 more than his 2019 salary.



It goes both ways in this case.

406661747D71667078130 wrote: Just playing devil's advocate here. Reynolds was offered a contract figure, and chose arbitration. We don't know what was offered by the team.



He chose arbitration, not the Pirates. He chose the process, not the Pirates. They exchanged figures, a process that was approved by the CBA.



The process involved those figures to be exchanged, which I'm assuming neither had knowledge of what the other's offer would be.



So does it make the Pirates cheap? What if the arbiter goes for their number? Does that make them cheap still? If the arbiter goes for Reynolds number, the Pirates are obligated to pay that number. Would they still be cheap then?




It not only makes him cheap it makes him incompetent.

Incompetent in knowing what it takes to make a winning organization. Incompetent in realizing the importance of civic pride.

Read the article in the Post Gazette on Brian Reynolds arbitration salary figures and it will make any fan furious. Pirates offered $4.25M. Reynolds had submitted $4.9M. They are a paltry (by baseball standards) $650K apart. The Pirates are willing to go to arbitration with their best player instead of rewarding him for his All Star season and making him feel valued and a cornerstone of the rebuild. Actions always speak louder than words and Nutting spews nothing but BS.
They offered him a raise 7 times his previous salary.



You didn't address anything in my post. What if the Pirates win the arbitration case? They are well known as a file and trial club. I'm not disagreeing Bob is cheap. However, take the emotion out of it, and Reynolds was the one that chose this route. It's part of the overall business of the game. The White Sox went to arbitration with Giolito over a 200,000 difference.



In 2020, were the Pirates cheap in paying him league minimum despite having an awful season? He still got a raise. $382,000 to be exact. I get that's because 2020 was prorated. But his 2021 season salary was $115,00 more than his 2019 salary.



It goes both ways in this case.
Forbes: Pirates value surges to 1.32 billion. Come on Bob, be a smart businessman sell and get the hell out of town

6E50555D4E56565D7D584F5C0B390 wrote: Just playing devil's advocate here. Reynolds was offered a contract figure, and chose arbitration. We don't know what was offered by the team.



He chose arbitration, not the Pirates. He chose the process, not the Pirates. They exchanged figures, a process that was approved by the CBA.



The process involved those figures to be exchanged, which I'm assuming neither had knowledge of what the other's offer would be.



So does it make the Pirates cheap? What if the arbiter goes for their number? Does that make them cheap still? If the arbiter goes for Reynolds number, the Pirates are obligated to pay that number. Would they still be cheap then?




It not only makes him cheap it makes him incompetent.

Incompetent in knowing what it takes to make a winning organization. Incompetent in realizing the importance of civic pride.

Read the article in the Post Gazette on Brian Reynolds arbitration salary figures and it will make any fan furious. Pirates offered $4.25M. Reynolds had submitted $4.9M. They are a paltry (by baseball standards) $650K apart. The Pirates are willing to go to arbitration with their best player instead of rewarding him for his All Star season and making him feel valued and a cornerstone of the rebuild. Actions always speak louder than words and Nutting spews nothing but BS.
They offered him a raise 7 times his previous salary.



You didn't address anything in my post. What if the Pirates win the arbitration case? They are well known as a file and trial club. I'm not disagreeing Bob is cheap. However, take the emotion out of it, and Reynolds was the one that chose this route. It's part of the overall business of the game. The White Sox went to arbitration with Giolito over a 200,000 difference.



In 2020, were the Pirates cheap in paying him league minimum despite having an awful season? He still got a raise. $382,000 to be exact. I get that's because 2020 was prorated. But his 2021 season salary was $115,00 more than his 2019 salary.



It goes both ways in this case.
Forbes: Pirates value surges to 1.32 billion. Come on Bob, be a smart businessman sell and get the hell out of town


That explains why Nutting didn’t have a $100 million payroll last year. He likely concluded last off season that spending an extra $60 million on 2021’s payroll wouldn’t have raised the franchise’s value by at least the same amount, and the club still wouldn’t have won the World Series. So he figured, why bother.

The Pirates franchise value has had an average yearly increase of 50 million dollars over the last 20 years. That’s a billion dollars of equity Bob is sitting on

4B6E6D6D78536E666473010 wrote: The Pirates franchise value has had an average yearly increase of 50 million dollars over the last 20 years. That’s a billion dollars of equity Bob is sitting on


Nutting believes “sitting on” is the most-profitable business strategy.