Here is a list of some highly likely non tenders for Dec 2. Some of these guys will be cut prior to the deadline that have little trade value, like Jose Osuna.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/non-tender-candidates
Osuna, Gonzalez, Williams and Feliz all listed. You will also see plenty of very interesting names.
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There are a couple guys there that are really interesting, starting with Eddie Rosado.
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Bobster21
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They seem enamored with Erik Gonzalez (for reasons that completely escape me). So I doubt his inclusion on that list will prove accurate.
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1A373A2B2C3D2A6A69580 wrote: They seem enamored with Erik Gonzalez (for reasons that completely escape me). So I doubt his inclusion on that list will prove accurate.
yes, I wondered about him since he was a NH acquisition.
Neal liked to make sure the utility infielder position was well stocked, don't know if BC feels the same.
yes, I wondered about him since he was a NH acquisition.
Neal liked to make sure the utility infielder position was well stocked, don't know if BC feels the same.
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Bobster21
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052322352333400 wrote: They seem enamored with Erik Gonzalez (for reasons that completely escape me). So I doubt his inclusion on that list will prove accurate.
yes, I wondered about him since he was a NH acquisition.
Neal liked to make sure the utility infielder position was well stocked, don't know if BC feels the same.
But they didn't use him in that role last year. They made him the starting SS and even moved Newman to 2B and Frazier to LF in order to play Gonzalez at SS instead of moving Gonzalez around.
yes, I wondered about him since he was a NH acquisition.
Neal liked to make sure the utility infielder position was well stocked, don't know if BC feels the same.
But they didn't use him in that role last year. They made him the starting SS and even moved Newman to 2B and Frazier to LF in order to play Gonzalez at SS instead of moving Gonzalez around.
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On TV, the announcers kept saying that Gonzalez's fielding was so good the position (shortstop) was his if his hitting was even half-decent. I didn't see it (but am no talent evaluator). I thought Tucker was a better fielder and the center field business was just to get him as many at-bats as they could, to see if anything could happen for him offensively.
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22203A3C2A4F0 wrote: On TV, the announcers kept saying that Gonzalez's fielding was so good the position (shortstop) was his if his hitting was even half-decent. I didn't see it (but am no talent evaluator). I thought Tucker was a better fielder and the center field business was just to get him as many at-bats as they could, to see if anything could happen for him offensively.
I thought the same thing. He's ok defensively but not great. This year he was 14th in the NL in innings at SS but 8th in errors (with 5). Of course the charging of errors is subjective. But his total zone runs above avg (RTOT) was 0. Compare that to Miguel Rojas (Miami) who had almost an identical number of innings and led NL SSs with 8 runs above avg. Extrapolating that over approx 135 games (RTOT/Yr), Rojas is at 31 and Gonzalez is at -2.
In 2019 Tucker played nearly the same number of innings at SS that Gonzalez played in 2020. Tucker was better with only 2 errors and RTOT of +4. Tucker seems to be their best defensive SS but will likely never hit like an outfielder. This year he never appeared at SS. He played 3 innings at 2B and his other 248 innings in the OF. It seemed to be bizarre mismanagement of their roster. But they just seem infatuated with Gonzalez at SS for no apparent reason instead of taking advantage of his versatility as a utility player. He had even played some OF for the Indians and Pirates prior to this year. In his MLB career he has played every position except pitcher and catcher. But the Pirates kept moving Newman and Frazier around so that Gonzalez could stay at SS. This year Gonzalez hit .227. Tucker hit .220. So if they're going to be satisfied with a light hitting but strong defensive shortstop, Tucker seems to be the better option.
I thought the same thing. He's ok defensively but not great. This year he was 14th in the NL in innings at SS but 8th in errors (with 5). Of course the charging of errors is subjective. But his total zone runs above avg (RTOT) was 0. Compare that to Miguel Rojas (Miami) who had almost an identical number of innings and led NL SSs with 8 runs above avg. Extrapolating that over approx 135 games (RTOT/Yr), Rojas is at 31 and Gonzalez is at -2.
In 2019 Tucker played nearly the same number of innings at SS that Gonzalez played in 2020. Tucker was better with only 2 errors and RTOT of +4. Tucker seems to be their best defensive SS but will likely never hit like an outfielder. This year he never appeared at SS. He played 3 innings at 2B and his other 248 innings in the OF. It seemed to be bizarre mismanagement of their roster. But they just seem infatuated with Gonzalez at SS for no apparent reason instead of taking advantage of his versatility as a utility player. He had even played some OF for the Indians and Pirates prior to this year. In his MLB career he has played every position except pitcher and catcher. But the Pirates kept moving Newman and Frazier around so that Gonzalez could stay at SS. This year Gonzalez hit .227. Tucker hit .220. So if they're going to be satisfied with a light hitting but strong defensive shortstop, Tucker seems to be the better option.
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7E535E4F48594E0E0D3C0 wrote: They seem enamored with Erik Gonzalez (for reasons that completely escape me). So I doubt his inclusion on that list will prove accurate.
They got rid of Tropeano and Burdi because they were arb eligible. I dont know why they would even want to keep Gonazlez at any price, but they certainly will not want him at more than a million when they can add someone else for half the price.
People thought Bob Nutting was cheap prior to the pandemic, just wait. The penny pinching by the owners is at a whole new level.
They got rid of Tropeano and Burdi because they were arb eligible. I dont know why they would even want to keep Gonazlez at any price, but they certainly will not want him at more than a million when they can add someone else for half the price.
People thought Bob Nutting was cheap prior to the pandemic, just wait. The penny pinching by the owners is at a whole new level.
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7E535E4F48594E0E0D3C0 wrote: They seem enamored with Erik Gonzalez (for reasons that completely escape me). So I doubt his inclusion on that list will prove accurate.
yes, I wondered about him since he was a NH acquisition.
Neal liked to make sure the utility infielder position was well stocked, don't know if BC feels the same.
But they didn't use him in that role last year. They made him the starting SS and even moved Newman to 2B and Frazier to LF in order to play Gonzalez at SS instead of moving Gonzalez around.
Newman more than proved he is a terrible SS. Gonazlez is ok at short, but his bat is so bad there is no reason to keep him. Especially at 29 when better options are easily available. Orlando Arcia is younger and better, and would probably cost the same as keeping Gonzalez.
I am hoping they surprise me and sign Ha-Seong Kim.
yes, I wondered about him since he was a NH acquisition.
Neal liked to make sure the utility infielder position was well stocked, don't know if BC feels the same.
But they didn't use him in that role last year. They made him the starting SS and even moved Newman to 2B and Frazier to LF in order to play Gonzalez at SS instead of moving Gonzalez around.
Newman more than proved he is a terrible SS. Gonazlez is ok at short, but his bat is so bad there is no reason to keep him. Especially at 29 when better options are easily available. Orlando Arcia is younger and better, and would probably cost the same as keeping Gonzalez.
I am hoping they surprise me and sign Ha-Seong Kim.
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Bobster21
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70575E5E57444757704751320 wrote: They seem enamored with Erik Gonzalez (for reasons that completely escape me). So I doubt his inclusion on that list will prove accurate.
yes, I wondered about him since he was a NH acquisition.
Neal liked to make sure the utility infielder position was well stocked, don't know if BC feels the same.
But they didn't use him in that role last year. They made him the starting SS and even moved Newman to 2B and Frazier to LF in order to play Gonzalez at SS instead of moving Gonzalez around.
Newman more than proved he is a terrible SS. Gonazlez is ok at short, but his bat is so bad there is no reason to keep him. Especially at 29 when better options are easily available. Orlando Arcia is younger and better, and would probably cost the same as keeping Gonzalez.
I am hoping they surprise me and sign Ha-Seong Kim.
I agree with you. But it just makes no sense how they used he and Tucker this year. They knew Gonzalez was arb eligible (as he was last year). So if they weren't going to pay him for 2021, why not experiment with shortstop Tucker at SS instead of pretending he's an OFer if they're going to need a SS in 2021?
I can understand giving Gonzalez a chance to do so well that they decide he's worth the money in 2021. But that didn't happen. He was still starting 14 of the final 16 games at SS (Riddle started 1 of the other 2 and he's gone now) while hitting .120 over that span. They should have known by then if he was worth paying for 2021 and if he wasn't, why not put Tucker at his normal position for the last week or so? And if they had already decided to write off Tucker (so why bother putting him at SS when Gonzalez was failing) then why even bother trying to make him an OFer? The logic of how they used their roster escapes me.
yes, I wondered about him since he was a NH acquisition.
Neal liked to make sure the utility infielder position was well stocked, don't know if BC feels the same.
But they didn't use him in that role last year. They made him the starting SS and even moved Newman to 2B and Frazier to LF in order to play Gonzalez at SS instead of moving Gonzalez around.
Newman more than proved he is a terrible SS. Gonazlez is ok at short, but his bat is so bad there is no reason to keep him. Especially at 29 when better options are easily available. Orlando Arcia is younger and better, and would probably cost the same as keeping Gonzalez.
I am hoping they surprise me and sign Ha-Seong Kim.
I agree with you. But it just makes no sense how they used he and Tucker this year. They knew Gonzalez was arb eligible (as he was last year). So if they weren't going to pay him for 2021, why not experiment with shortstop Tucker at SS instead of pretending he's an OFer if they're going to need a SS in 2021?
I can understand giving Gonzalez a chance to do so well that they decide he's worth the money in 2021. But that didn't happen. He was still starting 14 of the final 16 games at SS (Riddle started 1 of the other 2 and he's gone now) while hitting .120 over that span. They should have known by then if he was worth paying for 2021 and if he wasn't, why not put Tucker at his normal position for the last week or so? And if they had already decided to write off Tucker (so why bother putting him at SS when Gonzalez was failing) then why even bother trying to make him an OFer? The logic of how they used their roster escapes me.