1F2A3D3D360F3D3D36313D580 wrote: I know how many home runs Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, and Barry Bonds hit.
Don't care how many blunts some pitcher even tried.
The last managers I cared to see had nothing to do whatsoever with their chessmaster strategy. Both are dead; Earl Weaver and Billy Martin. There hasn't been a manager worth the price of admittance since.
I did pay to see some HS girls BB coach a couple times, though.
I am surprised you paid. Thought you snuck in through the back door.
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664047525B5740565E350 wrote: There's no use trying to get through some of your heads. The NL has been using a defacto DH for quite some time now, just too many oldtimers hanging onto to old time notions.
The NL version of the DH is awful though, because after your starting pitcher gets that one, MAYBE two AB's in a game you oh so crave, the rest of the time, those AB's are taken by guys who hit about as well as most pitchers anyhow.
But go ahead, keep telling us these magical stories about pitchers hitting, strategy, and so on. That doesn't exist in the real world, and hasn't for over 30-40 years. Bullpens have been specialized long before people GAFF about who the 7th inning reliever was prior to fantasy baseball.
Time to open up your eyes old guys. You've BEEN watching the DH, however, there's no amount of proving it to you to ever get to you to agree.
Just go with it. Unless you make a rule where a starting pitcher has to stay in until he doesn't want to be in, the DH point is moot. Give me someone who is competent at bat, instead of Brian Bixler now getting 2 AB's because of the oh so brilliant double switch with two outs in the fifth inning.
First of all, I'm 38, squarely in the millennial generation. Second of all, who the heck are you to criticize someone based on how old they are? Grow up. Of course, that would mean that you, too, must become old.
The NL version of the DH is awful though, because after your starting pitcher gets that one, MAYBE two AB's in a game you oh so crave, the rest of the time, those AB's are taken by guys who hit about as well as most pitchers anyhow.
But go ahead, keep telling us these magical stories about pitchers hitting, strategy, and so on. That doesn't exist in the real world, and hasn't for over 30-40 years. Bullpens have been specialized long before people GAFF about who the 7th inning reliever was prior to fantasy baseball.
Time to open up your eyes old guys. You've BEEN watching the DH, however, there's no amount of proving it to you to ever get to you to agree.
Just go with it. Unless you make a rule where a starting pitcher has to stay in until he doesn't want to be in, the DH point is moot. Give me someone who is competent at bat, instead of Brian Bixler now getting 2 AB's because of the oh so brilliant double switch with two outs in the fifth inning.
First of all, I'm 38, squarely in the millennial generation. Second of all, who the heck are you to criticize someone based on how old they are? Grow up. Of course, that would mean that you, too, must become old.
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476A67767160773734050 wrote: There's no use trying to get through some of your heads. The NL has been using a defacto DH for quite some time now, just too many oldtimers hanging onto to old time notions.
The NL version of the DH is awful though, because after your starting pitcher gets that one, MAYBE two AB's in a game you oh so crave, the rest of the time, those AB's are taken by guys who hit about as well as most pitchers anyhow.
But go ahead, keep telling us these magical stories about pitchers hitting, strategy, and so on. That doesn't exist in the real world, and hasn't for over 30-40 years. Bullpens have been specialized long before people GAFF about who the 7th inning reliever was prior to fantasy baseball.
Time to open up your eyes old guys. You've BEEN watching the DH, however, there's no amount of proving it to you to ever get to you to agree.
Just go with it. Unless you make a rule where a starting pitcher has to stay in until he doesn't want to be in, the DH point is moot. Give me someone who is competent at bat, instead of Brian Bixler now getting 2 AB's because of the oh so brilliant double switch with two outs in the fifth inning.
Well thank you for your snarky, insulting and just plain wrong comments. Thank you for pointing out that some of us are so old and so out of touch with reality that we don't even realize we've been watching a DH.
Here's what stupid old me thought I was watching. I thought I was watching NL lineups that did not have an extra big bat in the middle of the lineup making it so much easier to construct a batting order than just having to bat the people who were still playing when the other team was at bat without the luxury of also sticking a Nelson Cruz or a J.D. Martinez in the 3, 4 or 5 slot even though they just sit around all game and wait to bat. I thought I was watching managers take the risk of starting defensively challenged players because of their ability to hit instead of leaving them in the dugout risk-free until it was their turn to bat. I thought I was watching managers select players to pinch hit for pitchers in whatever inning that may be (and, yes, somehow I retain the cognitive functioning to realize pitchers don't usually bat for themselves after the 6th inning) the way managers always selected pinch hitters for over a hundred years before the DH was invented for the AL. By using a player off the bench. Know what's that's called? It's called baseball. I'm so stupid that all this time I never realized that watching a team construct a normal lineup using the players who also field the ball, without an extraneous thumper in the middle, sometimes sacrificing defense, and having players not in the starting lineup pinch hit for the pitcher is the same as watching a game using a DH. I didn't realize this NL game I've been watching is the same as the AL game with the nice, tidy lineup from the 1st inning on, making sure a poor defensive player can still bat without also fielding, and never having to make a decision of who should pinch hit for the pitcher because that was determined before the game even began.
Bottom line, Surgbuck: If you like the DH, fine. You have every right to. But don't come on here and start insulting and belittling people who don't share your opinion, telling us we don't even understand what we've been watching. If you can't see the difference between NL and AL baseball, I don't know what to tell you. But I CAN tell you I don't for one freakin' minute appreciate your snarky attitude.
This. x2
The NL version of the DH is awful though, because after your starting pitcher gets that one, MAYBE two AB's in a game you oh so crave, the rest of the time, those AB's are taken by guys who hit about as well as most pitchers anyhow.
But go ahead, keep telling us these magical stories about pitchers hitting, strategy, and so on. That doesn't exist in the real world, and hasn't for over 30-40 years. Bullpens have been specialized long before people GAFF about who the 7th inning reliever was prior to fantasy baseball.
Time to open up your eyes old guys. You've BEEN watching the DH, however, there's no amount of proving it to you to ever get to you to agree.
Just go with it. Unless you make a rule where a starting pitcher has to stay in until he doesn't want to be in, the DH point is moot. Give me someone who is competent at bat, instead of Brian Bixler now getting 2 AB's because of the oh so brilliant double switch with two outs in the fifth inning.
Well thank you for your snarky, insulting and just plain wrong comments. Thank you for pointing out that some of us are so old and so out of touch with reality that we don't even realize we've been watching a DH.
Here's what stupid old me thought I was watching. I thought I was watching NL lineups that did not have an extra big bat in the middle of the lineup making it so much easier to construct a batting order than just having to bat the people who were still playing when the other team was at bat without the luxury of also sticking a Nelson Cruz or a J.D. Martinez in the 3, 4 or 5 slot even though they just sit around all game and wait to bat. I thought I was watching managers take the risk of starting defensively challenged players because of their ability to hit instead of leaving them in the dugout risk-free until it was their turn to bat. I thought I was watching managers select players to pinch hit for pitchers in whatever inning that may be (and, yes, somehow I retain the cognitive functioning to realize pitchers don't usually bat for themselves after the 6th inning) the way managers always selected pinch hitters for over a hundred years before the DH was invented for the AL. By using a player off the bench. Know what's that's called? It's called baseball. I'm so stupid that all this time I never realized that watching a team construct a normal lineup using the players who also field the ball, without an extraneous thumper in the middle, sometimes sacrificing defense, and having players not in the starting lineup pinch hit for the pitcher is the same as watching a game using a DH. I didn't realize this NL game I've been watching is the same as the AL game with the nice, tidy lineup from the 1st inning on, making sure a poor defensive player can still bat without also fielding, and never having to make a decision of who should pinch hit for the pitcher because that was determined before the game even began.
Bottom line, Surgbuck: If you like the DH, fine. You have every right to. But don't come on here and start insulting and belittling people who don't share your opinion, telling us we don't even understand what we've been watching. If you can't see the difference between NL and AL baseball, I don't know what to tell you. But I CAN tell you I don't for one freakin' minute appreciate your snarky attitude.
This. x2
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2drfischer@gmail.c
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Looking at only last season's final statistics, I found these comparisons between the AL and NL.
Number of Total HRS: AL: 3478. NL: 3318 (AL teams hit .37 more HRs per game.)
Number of Runs Scored: AL: 11,859. NL: 11,608. (AL teams scored .1 more run per game.)
Average Slugging %: AL: .438. NL: .430.
Average On Base %: AL: .759. NL: .753.
The numbers don't seem to be all that different even when replacing a pitcher in the batting order with a legitimate hitter, especially one who oftentimes is a power guy. Are the AL owners getting their money's worth?
Number of Total HRS: AL: 3478. NL: 3318 (AL teams hit .37 more HRs per game.)
Number of Runs Scored: AL: 11,859. NL: 11,608. (AL teams scored .1 more run per game.)
Average Slugging %: AL: .438. NL: .430.
Average On Base %: AL: .759. NL: .753.
The numbers don't seem to be all that different even when replacing a pitcher in the batting order with a legitimate hitter, especially one who oftentimes is a power guy. Are the AL owners getting their money's worth?
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GreenWeenie
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The best pitchers are in the American League. If NL pitchers were in the AL, the AL would have higher offensive numbers.
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iwatch
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I rarely post anymore and my interest in professional sports is waning. But, I’m going to weigh in here. As I read the original post I noticed a demeaning tone. It was like the was being lectured about how wrong some of the purists were. (I’m intentionally leaving out my personal viewpoint on the DH). It’s just unnecessarily mean. Guys like Bobster are just as correct as you are, Surgnbuck. Even considering all the pinch hitting you reference different and more debatable strategies and moves are made in the NL. Also, roster constructions can be more interesting in the NL. Before dismissing this consider- in the AL I don’t need a PH specialist nearly as much as in the NL. And, when do I use that PH specialist? So, while the DH probably is inevitable, debate the issue without the “I hate to tell you blockheads” air. It weakens your side of the argument. It creates unneeded tension. And, there frankly is no right side of this debate.
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status symbols - status symbols. Some will support an inferior product put on the field by Bob Nutting to show their status symbols - They are in effect saying "look at my season tickets, I can afford them" and then criticize those who refuse to go to games because they can't stand the cheapskate running the organization.
They are, in effect, apologists for this miserable management team.
They are, in effect, apologists for this miserable management team.
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WildwoodDave
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17292C24372F2F2404213625400 wrote: I know how many home runs Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, and Barry Bonds hit.
Don't care how many blunts some pitcher even tried.
The last managers I cared to see had nothing to do whatsoever with their chessmaster strategy. Both are dead; Earl Weaver and Billy Martin. There hasn't been a manager worth the price of admittance since.
I did pay to see some HS girls BB coach a couple times, though.
I am surprised you paid. Thought you snuck in through the back door.
Earl Weaver and Bill Martin- you forgot to mention Lloyd MacClendon
Don't care how many blunts some pitcher even tried.
The last managers I cared to see had nothing to do whatsoever with their chessmaster strategy. Both are dead; Earl Weaver and Billy Martin. There hasn't been a manager worth the price of admittance since.
I did pay to see some HS girls BB coach a couple times, though.
I am surprised you paid. Thought you snuck in through the back door.
Earl Weaver and Bill Martin- you forgot to mention Lloyd MacClendon
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WildwoodDave
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332825242D212E400 wrote: status symbols - status symbols. Some will support an inferior product put on the field by Bob Nutting to show their status symbols - They are in effect saying "look at my season tickets, I can afford them" and then criticize those who refuse to go to games because they can't stand the cheapskate running the organization.
They are, in effect, apologists for this miserable management team.
APOLOGISTS- shades of the old board. Brings back memories of Alvy
They are, in effect, apologists for this miserable management team.
APOLOGISTS- shades of the old board. Brings back memories of Alvy
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DemDog
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Okay guys. I am locking this thread since it has become such an insult filled pissing contest. In my opinion what is going on in this thread is as bad as what is going on in the US Congress these days.
So guys, please play nice because you can "impeached" from OBN if you keep this crap up. You know who you are!
So guys, please play nice because you can "impeached" from OBN if you keep this crap up. You know who you are!