775A57464150470704350 wrote: Grichuk has 3/30 left on his deal. The Pirates could offer to take a chunk of that off their hands if they added a good prospect or two. The Bucs would have to give up something worthwhile. Not sure what needs the Jays have, but maybe Rich Rodriguez. Or maybe they could still be interested in a starter.
For any other organization, 3/30 isn't a problem, but this is Nutting. I'm 50/50 on believing BC and his comments about none of the deals he has made were about $$$. Ironic that Marte, Bell, Musgrove were all dealt and Frazier is on the chopping block? Granted, we are talking about these dudes having trade value, but they all were consisting of being among the top 5 of the payroll. Only Polanco is there and he has no value.
It's very clear BC is unloading salary and not adding something that would help. He is in an acquire prospects mode, not trade them mode. This is why I don't see Grichuk being in his view as far as an acquisition. He would be a major upgrade though.
They have been using their best trading chips. Marte, Bell, Musgrove. Frazier probably next. Those are the players who have performed the best over a a few years to attract attention from other teams. Naturally, such players have built up their salaries during that time with the Pirates. There isn't much market for lower paid Pirates who haven't been around long enough or performed well enough to have any trade value. Polanco is their highest paid player but has little trade value. So he's still on the team.
Others who might be attractive to other teams are Taillon, Kuhl, Brault and Rodriguez. They have all been around long enough to build up their salaries. Other GMs aren't interested in the least talented, lowest paid Pirates. So how can the Pirates use their best trade chips without reducing salary? Moran is the next highest salary after Polanco and Frazier. But I doubt he has a lot of trade value and will be more useful to the Prates now that Bell is gone.
I'm sure Nutting doesn't mind seeing the payroll get even lower. But what else can Cherington do? He can't rebuild with prospects without trading the players most attractive to other teams to acquire those prospects. And he can't trade those players without lowering the payroll. So the only way to avoid lowering payroll is to just sit on the worst roster in MLB and do nothing.
It's always fun to bash the Pirates for how cheap they are but common sense tells us that a rebuild by trading their best players will mean trading their higher paid players.
I could have phrased it better. My point is Pittsburgh isn't trading for Grichuk for one of two reasons. They are looking to not add a big salary (10 million isn't, but it is for Nutting) and if you are going to build a farm system, you don't trade prospects to get him (even though it won't take much since Toronto wants to unload him).
There is a way that Pittsburgh can continue to build the farm system via trade and you don't have to use the Morans, Braults, Kuhls or Taillon of the world. Since this year's free agency seems dead as far as signings and there are several dudes looking for bounce back years - take some risk and sign a few to one year contracts. They will come cheap.
Mitch Moreland; Asdrubal Cabrera; or CJ Cron to backup Moran at first, or start when Moran goes to third to give Hayes a break.
Eddie Rosario or Adam Duvall in the OF
Taijuan Walker or Collin McHugh as a starter. Melancon, Hand (probably gone soon), Osuna, Colome, Peacock (can start or relieve), Jeffress, O'Day or Rosenthal as bullpen arms for a bad bullpen.
Sign a few to one year contracts and hopefully you can trade them for assets at the TDL and you don't pay the full freight of a one year signature on the contract. Some of these guys could bring back a decent haul.
Will Nutting allow BC to consider that option? This is going to eb a BAD year of epic proportions and it probably makes no sense to bring in anything, but this franchise has lost alot of fans over the years because absent a few years, they weren't even trying. This really isn't either, but its a way that you can continue building the system. None of these guys would have 3/30 left like Grichuk.
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Bobster21
Blue Jays Roster Crunch
093C2B2B20192B2B20272B4E0 wrote: If our best trading chips are attractive clubs, what aren't they attractive to the Pirates?
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
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2drfischer@gmail.c
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517C71606776612122130 wrote: If our best trading chips are attractive clubs, what aren't they attractive to the Pirates?
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
Yeppers.
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
Yeppers.
Blue Jays Roster Crunch
634E43525544531310210 wrote: If our best trading chips are attractive clubs, what aren't they attractive to the Pirates?
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
We essentially have an expansion team roster with some decent pieces.
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
We essentially have an expansion team roster with some decent pieces.
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GreenWeenie
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7B565B4A4D5C4B0B08390 wrote: If our best trading chips are attractive clubs, what aren't they attractive to the Pirates?
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
With all due respect, there you go again. That's known as The We Can't Improve the Entire Roster, So Let's Not Improve It At All Apology.
The Cardinals haven't done much of anything and they're still the best roster in the division.
The other clubs are still better than we are- who isn't? But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.
So, what do we do? We roll over and play dead.
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
With all due respect, there you go again. That's known as The We Can't Improve the Entire Roster, So Let's Not Improve It At All Apology.
The Cardinals haven't done much of anything and they're still the best roster in the division.
The other clubs are still better than we are- who isn't? But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.
So, what do we do? We roll over and play dead.
Blue Jays Roster Crunch
744156565D6456565D5A56330 wrote: If our best trading chips are attractive clubs, what aren't they attractive to the Pirates?
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
With all due respect, there you go again. That's known as The We Can't Improve the Entire Roster, So Let's Not Improve It At All Apology.
The Cardinals haven't done much of anything and they're still the best roster in the division.
The other clubs are still better than we are- who isn't? But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.
So, what do we do? We roll over and play dead.
We have rolled over and played dead since Bonds, Van Slyke and Bonilla were patrolling the OF. Absent a few years, this has been our mantra. I want a winner too, but I have come to the conclusion its not happening until 2025 or so.
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
With all due respect, there you go again. That's known as The We Can't Improve the Entire Roster, So Let's Not Improve It At All Apology.
The Cardinals haven't done much of anything and they're still the best roster in the division.
The other clubs are still better than we are- who isn't? But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.
So, what do we do? We roll over and play dead.
We have rolled over and played dead since Bonds, Van Slyke and Bonilla were patrolling the OF. Absent a few years, this has been our mantra. I want a winner too, but I have come to the conclusion its not happening until 2025 or so.
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ArnoldRothstein
Blue Jays Roster Crunch
But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.
I think that the goal is to play .300 ball.
NH's plan was based on overspending for amateur players, but MLB and the union got together to limit that spending. I think what we're seeing is basically the same plan, except that you have to lose 105 games per year for the first few years to get the bigger bonus pools.
I think that the goal is to play .300 ball.
NH's plan was based on overspending for amateur players, but MLB and the union got together to limit that spending. I think what we're seeing is basically the same plan, except that you have to lose 105 games per year for the first few years to get the bigger bonus pools.
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Bobster21
Blue Jays Roster Crunch
261304040F3604040F0804610 wrote: If our best trading chips are attractive clubs, what aren't they attractive to the Pirates?
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
With all due respect, there you go again. That's known as The We Can't Improve the Entire Roster, So Let's Not Improve It At All Apology.
The Cardinals haven't done much of anything and they're still the best roster in the division.
The other clubs are still better than we are- who isn't? But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.
So, what do we do? We roll over and play dead.
No, there you go again. Ignoring reality and claiming "a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance" to compete with the clubs who are better than we are. You can look at our roster and claim just "a move here and a move there" is all it will take? Are we talking about the same Pirates?
And calling someone an apologist merely for addressing the reality of the situation won't change the situation. I don't apologize for the Pirates. I don't like how they operate. I don't like that they have sunk to their current depth. But if there's any realistic chance of becoming respectable, it won't be a Pollyanna plan to immediately compete with an influx of veterans who we all know Nutting won't pay for. And even if he would, what productive free agent would choose to hitch his wagon to this organization if he was productive enough to get an offer from anyone else? Are 2nd and 3rd tier free agents all this roster needs to compete? Another 4th or 5th starter? A few more relievers with no control? A couple more flawed hitters for the lineup? Another utility infielder? The Pirates have gotten themselves into a bad situation with Nutting's cheapness and NH's failure to properly evaluate and develop talent. There's no guarantee BC will be better but it's the only chance they have and it won't be quick and it won't be easy. So yes, there I go again being realistic.
Add talent to them, we'll win.
Remove them from the club, all that remains are the less marketable guys.
That is the recipe for spinning wheel on ice.
It's not like we haven't had to call the tow truck before. We should know this by now.
It's not as though the Pirates are only a few pieces away from having a championship caliber team. If that were the case they would not have been a .317 team last year. Or lost 93 games in 2019. Hayes is the only prospect ready to contribute. Which starting pitchers do you want to lineup up for a must win series? How many dependable relievers must be added? They need 2 top OFers and if Frazier is kept they need a better SS and a better 1Bman. Basically an entire new team of proven, productive free agents plus a handful of Pirate holdovers.
But other GMs can look at the roster and pick out one Pirate here and there who could be a useful addition to a stronger roster. No GM in his right mind would want the Pirates starting rotation. But he might have a need for a 4th starter in his own team. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong rotation. The Nats needed a 1Bman and traded for Bell. That doesn't mean the Pirates have a strong infield. The Pirates are so far away from a strong roster that even a fictional free spending Nutting would have a hard time buying everything they need to instantly win. Back in the real world the roster is weak and AAA is bare of impact prospects. So it's back to square one and another rebuild attempt. We don't know if it will succeed but at least someone other than Huntington is in charge now. And the best prospects are at AA or lower. Not much fun for the fans. But that's where we are. Banging your head against a wall and screaming "I WANNA WIN NOW!!!" won't change things.
With all due respect, there you go again. That's known as The We Can't Improve the Entire Roster, So Let's Not Improve It At All Apology.
The Cardinals haven't done much of anything and they're still the best roster in the division.
The other clubs are still better than we are- who isn't? But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.
So, what do we do? We roll over and play dead.
No, there you go again. Ignoring reality and claiming "a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance" to compete with the clubs who are better than we are. You can look at our roster and claim just "a move here and a move there" is all it will take? Are we talking about the same Pirates?
And calling someone an apologist merely for addressing the reality of the situation won't change the situation. I don't apologize for the Pirates. I don't like how they operate. I don't like that they have sunk to their current depth. But if there's any realistic chance of becoming respectable, it won't be a Pollyanna plan to immediately compete with an influx of veterans who we all know Nutting won't pay for. And even if he would, what productive free agent would choose to hitch his wagon to this organization if he was productive enough to get an offer from anyone else? Are 2nd and 3rd tier free agents all this roster needs to compete? Another 4th or 5th starter? A few more relievers with no control? A couple more flawed hitters for the lineup? Another utility infielder? The Pirates have gotten themselves into a bad situation with Nutting's cheapness and NH's failure to properly evaluate and develop talent. There's no guarantee BC will be better but it's the only chance they have and it won't be quick and it won't be easy. So yes, there I go again being realistic.
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GreenWeenie
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I dint recall saying anything about "all it will take."
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Bobster21
Blue Jays Roster Crunch
0F3A2D2D261F2D2D26212D480 wrote: I dint recall saying anything about "all it will take."
427760606B5260606B6C60050 wrote:
But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.
427760606B5260606B6C60050 wrote:
But, a move here and a move there, we at least have a fighting chance.