Paul Zeise calls out NH for the same reasons most fans do. It's nice to see the PPG not giving NH a free pass (even though Nutting obviously does).
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pau ... 1908050081
Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
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Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
The drawback to this article is that it seems to suggest NH is the problem and that if only he were replaced, the current system would be fine. The problems with the organization, at least as I view it, start at the very top. Nutting is a businessman, not a fan. As a result he makes accounting decisions, not decisions that could make the team actual contenders. See Detroit Tigers. When Mike Illich, huge fan of Detroit the city, was owner, he ran a deficit operation and the team did well. On his death his estate fell under fiduciary rules to run the team prudently (which here means on an accounting basis). They couldn't subsidize the team and it's been on hard times since. McClatchy (sp) was a fan but one without money. Nutting slowly but surely squeezed him (and other minority owners) out, and it's now his show. He's making money and has no intention to stop doing so. That's the situation. We either live with it or we look for another team. Nothing is going to change. Making NH the scapegoat might result in a new general manager and a new set of rationalizations, but they will be only that - rationalizations.
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Bobster21
Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
3E3C262036530 wrote: The drawback to this article is that it seems to suggest NH is the problem and that if only he were replaced, the current system would be fine. The problems with the organization, at least as I view it, start at the very top. Nutting is a businessman, not a fan. As a result he makes accounting decisions, not decisions that could make the team actual contenders. See Detroit Tigers. When Mike Illich, huge fan of Detroit the city, was owner, he ran a deficit operation and the team did well. On his death his estate fell under fiduciary rules to run the team prudently (which here means on an accounting basis). They couldn't subsidize the team and it's been on hard times since. McClatchy (sp) was a fan but one without money. Nutting slowly but surely squeezed him (and other minority owners) out, and it's now his show. He's making money and has no intention to stop doing so. That's the situation. We either live with it or we look for another team. Nothing is going to change. Making NH the scapegoat might result in a new general manager and a new set of rationalizations, but they will be only that - rationalizations.
Yes, Nutting is the ultimate problem. But I think the article accurately identifies the additional problems of having a substandard GM on top of having an owner who refuses to provide the necessary financing. No GM is going to turn a Nutting team into a champion and we are stuck with that. But the team doesn't have to be as bad as it is with the poor drafting, developing, player evaluation and managing of the players they are able to obtain.
Yes, Nutting is the ultimate problem. But I think the article accurately identifies the additional problems of having a substandard GM on top of having an owner who refuses to provide the necessary financing. No GM is going to turn a Nutting team into a champion and we are stuck with that. But the team doesn't have to be as bad as it is with the poor drafting, developing, player evaluation and managing of the players they are able to obtain.
Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
496469787F6E79393A0B0 wrote: The drawback to this article is that it seems to suggest NH is the problem and that if only he were replaced, the current system would be fine. The problems with the organization, at least as I view it, start at the very top. Nutting is a businessman, not a fan. As a result he makes accounting decisions, not decisions that could make the team actual contenders. See Detroit Tigers. When Mike Illich, huge fan of Detroit the city, was owner, he ran a deficit operation and the team did well. On his death his estate fell under fiduciary rules to run the team prudently (which here means on an accounting basis). They couldn't subsidize the team and it's been on hard times since. McClatchy (sp) was a fan but one without money. Nutting slowly but surely squeezed him (and other minority owners) out, and it's now his show. He's making money and has no intention to stop doing so. That's the situation. We either live with it or we look for another team. Nothing is going to change. Making NH the scapegoat might result in a new general manager and a new set of rationalizations, but they will be only that - rationalizations.
Yes, Nutting is the ultimate problem. But I think the article accurately identifies the additional problems of having a substandard GM on top of having an owner who refuses to provide the necessary financing. No GM is going to turn a Nutting team into a champion and we are stuck with that. But the team doesn't have to be as bad as it is with the poor drafting, developing, player evaluation and managing of the players they are able to obtain.
So even with the best GM we are still screwed?? It would take a miracle for an entire team of young, or inexpensive talent to come together and actually win a title. We almost hit the lottery but????
Yes, Nutting is the ultimate problem. But I think the article accurately identifies the additional problems of having a substandard GM on top of having an owner who refuses to provide the necessary financing. No GM is going to turn a Nutting team into a champion and we are stuck with that. But the team doesn't have to be as bad as it is with the poor drafting, developing, player evaluation and managing of the players they are able to obtain.
So even with the best GM we are still screwed?? It would take a miracle for an entire team of young, or inexpensive talent to come together and actually win a title. We almost hit the lottery but????
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Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
So even with the best GM we are still screwed?? It would )take a miracle for an entire team of young, or inexpensive talent to come together and actually win a title. We almost hit the lottery but????
I don't agree with this, a great GM could turn this thing around quickly but not a average GM must be a aggressive take charge guy who knows baseball inside and out and given the authority to make moves without spending like a drunken sailor. Buying these over priced players will not improve the team it will hurt it in the long run. Do the reseach and hire baseball men who know how to evaluate players. Mike Matheney (and there are many others) who would be a real upgrade over our present retired on the job manager.
I don't agree with this, a great GM could turn this thing around quickly but not a average GM must be a aggressive take charge guy who knows baseball inside and out and given the authority to make moves without spending like a drunken sailor. Buying these over priced players will not improve the team it will hurt it in the long run. Do the reseach and hire baseball men who know how to evaluate players. Mike Matheney (and there are many others) who would be a real upgrade over our present retired on the job manager.
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Bobster21
Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
NH now seems to have backtracked from his pathetically absurd statement that there was no opportunity to put Keller in the rotation when that rotation consisted of Archer, Williams, Musgrove, Agrazal and TBA. Agrazal has now been optioned to make room for Brault. So unless TBA is the 5th starter there seems to be an "opportunity" for Keller. Keller has certainly struggled in his 3 starts but this would be a good chance to let him pitch every 5th day in hopes his struggles will be less next year.
Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
Given his operating constraints (assuming we are stuck with Nutting), NH has to be well better than the replacement GM at evaluating, acquiring and developing talent. And that's the problem. His strategies may (or may not) be sound given the constraints, but his execution has not been far enough ahead of the pack for the Bucs to brew up the perfect storm of homegrown talent plus one or two key acquisitions (FA/trade) plus a hit or two on reclamation projects. It all has to happen at once for the Bucs to compete. There's no financial eraser that allows him to replace an under-performing player with a better player to fill that hole during a season. And the farm hasn't had the guys to fill holes either.
As many have documented, the biggest source of talent has to be homegrown, and this is where NH has not excelled. He's drafted some talent. But the int'l pipeline has not produced much in his time. And there have not been impact players (with consistent production). Cole was one. Then there are a bunch of guys who had/have the potential but didn't deliver - at least while here. Alvarez, Polanco, Taillon, Meadows, Glasnow, etc.
While it's asking for near miracles to put together a team that competes, there is enough evidence now that NH isn't up to the task.
As many have documented, the biggest source of talent has to be homegrown, and this is where NH has not excelled. He's drafted some talent. But the int'l pipeline has not produced much in his time. And there have not been impact players (with consistent production). Cole was one. Then there are a bunch of guys who had/have the potential but didn't deliver - at least while here. Alvarez, Polanco, Taillon, Meadows, Glasnow, etc.
While it's asking for near miracles to put together a team that competes, there is enough evidence now that NH isn't up to the task.
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steve49
Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
7F687E495F5F533C0 wrote: Given his operating constraints (assuming we are stuck with Nutting), NH has to be well better than the replacement GM at evaluating, acquiring and developing talent. And that's the problem. His strategies may (or may not) be sound given the constraints, but his execution has not been far enough ahead of the pack for the Bucs to brew up the perfect storm of homegrown talent plus one or two key acquisitions (FA/trade) plus a hit or two on reclamation projects. It all has to happen at once for the Bucs to compete. There's no financial eraser that allows him to replace an under-performing player with a better player to fill that hole during a season. And the farm hasn't had the guys to fill holes either.
As many have documented, the biggest source of talent has to be homegrown, and this is where NH has not excelled. He's drafted some talent. But the int'l pipeline has not produced much in his time. And there have not been impact players (with consistent production). Cole was one. Then there are a bunch of guys who had/have the potential but didn't deliver - at least while here. Alvarez, Polanco, Taillon, Meadows, Glasnow, etc.
While it's asking for near miracles to put together a team that competes, there is enough evidence now that NH isn't up to the task.
Not too fair saying Meadows "didn't deliver when he was here." His minor league seasons were hampered with nagging injuries. When he was called up , he did great . Then some buffoon feels he should play like every 3rd game inorder to get some veteran stiff into the lineup.
As many have documented, the biggest source of talent has to be homegrown, and this is where NH has not excelled. He's drafted some talent. But the int'l pipeline has not produced much in his time. And there have not been impact players (with consistent production). Cole was one. Then there are a bunch of guys who had/have the potential but didn't deliver - at least while here. Alvarez, Polanco, Taillon, Meadows, Glasnow, etc.
While it's asking for near miracles to put together a team that competes, there is enough evidence now that NH isn't up to the task.
Not too fair saying Meadows "didn't deliver when he was here." His minor league seasons were hampered with nagging injuries. When he was called up , he did great . Then some buffoon feels he should play like every 3rd game inorder to get some veteran stiff into the lineup.
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steve49
Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
7F525F4E49584F0F0C3D0 wrote: Paul Zeise calls out NH for the same reasons most fans do. It's nice to see the PPG not giving NH a free pass (even though Nutting obviously does).
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pau ... 1908050081
The author has to be embellishing with what he says below. I understand it's hard to figure out which of our pitchers stinks the worst but REALLY.....
"Huntington talked about Keller specifically and said he will get an opportunity at some point, but right now it is hard to figure out where he fits in the rotation and who he would replace."
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pau ... 1908050081
The author has to be embellishing with what he says below. I understand it's hard to figure out which of our pitchers stinks the worst but REALLY.....
"Huntington talked about Keller specifically and said he will get an opportunity at some point, but right now it is hard to figure out where he fits in the rotation and who he would replace."
Article about Huntington's poor evaluation skills.
- mlbtr is reporting that Keller is likely starter for Tuesday game.