Official Game Thread - 5/10 - Bucs vs Reds

[Ecbucs]

4E7B6C6C675E6C6C67606C090 wrote: I'm old enough to remember Kip Wells, and he's the first guy I think of when I think of Keller.  Was hyped to have "the talent," but just didn't have it.  When there's so little of it, we tend to look for that silver lining anywhere.  Good game/not so good game.  I can't see him being in the long-range plans.  What say you?


yeah, Wells never had it except for one season and Jason Schmidt didn't really do much until he was traded.

[2drfischer@gmail.c]

And we all know how this story will end: after a few more years of failure, Keller will be included in a trade to another team, whereas he'll be reeducated and become a steady performer who helps his new team reach the World Series.

[GreenWeenie]

0B2D2C3B2D3D4E0 wrote: I'm old enough to remember Kip Wells, and he's the first guy I think of when I think of Keller.  Was hyped to have "the talent," but just didn't have it.  When there's so little of it, we tend to look for that silver lining anywhere.  Good game/not so good game.  I can't see him being in the long-range plans.  What say you?


yeah, Wells never had it except for one season and Jason Schmidt didn't really do much until he was traded.


The Pirates Fan's Lament:  We all know when Keller's Talent IS SURE to turn up.  (Everyone here can probably write the next sentence.)  (((





Doc just did!

[maher.timothy20@gm]

7A4F5858536A58585354583D0 wrote: I'm old enough to remember Kip Wells, and he's the first guy I think of when I think of Keller.  Was hyped to have "the talent," but just didn't have it.  When there's so little of it, we tend to look for that silver lining anywhere.  Good game/not so good game.  I can't see him being in the long-range plans.  What say you?


Unless the long range plan is fifth starter or long relief, no.

[skinnyhorse]

406D60717667703033020 wrote: Make that 6 runs in the 4th.

Keller’s ERA jumps to almost 8.0.

The worse part was listening to the Reds dugout yucking it up.  Sounded like a beer league softball team.
I just don't see where he has ace stuff. Even when he's effective, he's not overpowering or dominating. He has some nice 5 inning games and gets pummeled in the rest. He had those 2 nice games at the end of last year after the preceding 2 had been awful. In those last 2 games last year he pitched a total of 11 no-hit innings but walked 8 in that time. One way to prevent hits to to walk everyone.



He didn't dominate in AAA either with a 3.98 ERA and almost a hit per inning. I think the Pirates are waiting on talent that isn't there. 


I'm starting to think that NH and company had to hype somebody and they chose Keller and it looks like they should have selected Brubaker.


I think you are right. After seeing Cole reach his expected level only after leaving the team and completely missing on Glasnow, they needed to claim they had another stud in the pipeline. Keller was the most likely candidate since he did well prior to reaching AAA. But there's been nothing about his AAA or MLB production to suggest he is special.
Yes, yes, yes, anyone could see that Glasnow had loads of talent and was just thrown to the sharks without any support. Cole was another with loads of talent anyone could see it, the same with J. Schmidt. But for the life of me I don't seem anything close to that with Keller. Get him in the BP and quit trying to make something out of him he is not.

[Bobster21]

142136363D0436363D3A36530 wrote: I'm old enough to remember Kip Wells, and he's the first guy I think of when I think of Keller.  Was hyped to have "the talent," but just didn't have it.  When there's so little of it, we tend to look for that silver lining anywhere.  Good game/not so good game.  I can't see him being in the long-range plans.  What say you?
Wells is a good example. Anther guy we were supposed to wait forever for him to get good. But I do remember that home run he hit at PNC over the hedges in CF.

[Bobster21]

And let's not forget ace-in-waiting Nick Kingham. ::)

[Ecbucs]

can Gamel pitch?

[Bobster21]

Bob Walk said, "They're booing the ball girl. That's not a good sign." ;D

[Bobster21]

Maybe it's time to put Evans on the mound again.