Off Season Thread
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Bobster21
Off Season Thread
Reynolds has hit at every level until this season. I think the "sophomore jinx" is a real thing. But not a jinx. Rather a state of mind. It's when a rookie has more success than was anticipated and then has to start all over again the next year with the pressure of high expectations on him.
In preseason 2019 we heard little about Reynolds even tho he had a very impressive minor league hitting history. When they had an early season injury to Dickerson it was Jason Martin who got the call. It wasn't until there was an injury soon thereafter to Marte that they had to dig deeper and recall Reynolds. Most expected he would stay with the club a week or 2, get his 1st taste of MLB and return to AAA when Marte returned.
But Reynolds had a hit in his 1st game, 3 in his 2nd game and began his MLB career with an 11 game hitting streak in which he hit .417 with 6 2Bs and a HR. They couldn't get him out of the lineup. So the guy who wasn't even their 1st choice to recall to replaced an injured OFer ended up their best overall hitter, was 3rd in HRs, and finished 4th in ROY votes. Their 1st choice, Martin, has become an afterthought.
Reynolds could not have expected 2019 to turn out that way in his wildest dreams. At best he likely hoped for a call up at some point even if only briefly and probably not as a regular in the lineup. But he went into 2020 aware of the expectation that would be the team's best pure hitter. That's a lot of pressure that he didn't have last year. I suspect next year he will be more relaxed and just thankful to get off to a fresh start.
I think that's the nature of the "sophomore jinx" when young players try to deal the with the pressure of high expectations in their 2nd year that weren't there in their rookie year.
In preseason 2019 we heard little about Reynolds even tho he had a very impressive minor league hitting history. When they had an early season injury to Dickerson it was Jason Martin who got the call. It wasn't until there was an injury soon thereafter to Marte that they had to dig deeper and recall Reynolds. Most expected he would stay with the club a week or 2, get his 1st taste of MLB and return to AAA when Marte returned.
But Reynolds had a hit in his 1st game, 3 in his 2nd game and began his MLB career with an 11 game hitting streak in which he hit .417 with 6 2Bs and a HR. They couldn't get him out of the lineup. So the guy who wasn't even their 1st choice to recall to replaced an injured OFer ended up their best overall hitter, was 3rd in HRs, and finished 4th in ROY votes. Their 1st choice, Martin, has become an afterthought.
Reynolds could not have expected 2019 to turn out that way in his wildest dreams. At best he likely hoped for a call up at some point even if only briefly and probably not as a regular in the lineup. But he went into 2020 aware of the expectation that would be the team's best pure hitter. That's a lot of pressure that he didn't have last year. I suspect next year he will be more relaxed and just thankful to get off to a fresh start.
I think that's the nature of the "sophomore jinx" when young players try to deal the with the pressure of high expectations in their 2nd year that weren't there in their rookie year.
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GreenWeenie
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Off Season Thread
Yeah. He's jinxed.
He's jinxed that he has no one hitting around him. Pitchers get to pitch to him.
He's jinxed that he has no one hitting around him. Pitchers get to pitch to him.
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ScottinMass
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Off Season Thread
I see no ML free agents coming to Pittsburgh this offseason. There is already talk that only the top of the line FA's will get contract offers this off season as all teams still face uncertainty with revenue and ticket sales, etc. going into next season. Marginal FA's will not get more than minor league deals. Since the Pirates are never players for top tier FA's, that means they will only acquire players on minor league deals or thru trades. Biggest offseason "acquisition" will be Taillon, and who knows what we can expect.
Off Season Thread
Yep, another off-season has arrived and the Pirates, once again, are not in the play-offs.
While the Bucs have never really been a factor in free agency (except losing players to free agency), in looking at next year's list of free agents on MLB Trade Rumors (list below), there does not appear to be a lot of talent to get excited about, particularly talent that could offer much for 3 or more seasons.
As such, and in addition to Nutting being cheap, I believe BC will need to try and rebuild the club through trades. Nearly every current player should be available in a potential trade. Perhaps Rodriguez, Musgrove, Bell, and/or Frazier could attract some interest. I view Polanco as a lost cause when it comes to a trade, even if the Bucs agree to cover parts of his remaining salary.
In short, 2021 looks pretty bleak. Inadequate talent on the existing roster, not much available through free agency, and the team lacks players who may bring much back through trades. Tough road ahead for BC, the franchise and for the team's fans.
Lastly, out of the following list --- Who do you recommend the Bucs pursue as a free agent?
Free Agent List - Updated 9-28-20
Catchers
Alex Avila (34)
Drew Butera (37)
Welington Castillo (34)
Jason Castro (34)
Francisco Cervelli (35)
Robinson Chirinos (36) — $6.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Tyler Flowers (35)
Bryan Holaday (33)
Erik Kratz (41)
Sandy Leon (32)
Jeff Mathis (38)
James McCann (31)
Yadier Molina (38)
Roberto Perez (32) — $5.5MM club option with a $450K buyout
Wilson Ramos (33) — $10MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
J.T. Realmuto (30)
Austin Romine (32)
Kurt Suzuki (37)
Stephen Vogt (36) — $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
Matt Wieters (35)
Mike Zunino (30)
First Basemen
Matt Adams (32)
C.J. Cron (31)
Derek Dietrich (31)
Edwin Encarnacion (38) — $12MM club option
Todd Frazier (35) — $5.75MM club option with a $1.5MM
Yuli Gurriel (37)
Howie Kendrick (37)
Brad Miller (31)
Mitch Moreland (35) — $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
Logan Morrison (33)
Daniel Murphy (36) — $12MM mutual option with a $6MM buyout
Anthony Rizzo (31) — $14.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Pablo Sandoval (34)
Carlos Santana (35) — $17.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Justin Smoak (34) — $5.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Eric Thames (34) — $4MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Neil Walker (35)
Ryan Zimmerman (36)
Second Basemen
Asdrubal Cabrera (35)
Daniel Descalso (34) — $3.5MM club option, a $1MM buyout
Derek Dietrich (31)
Logan Forsythe (34)
Freddy Galvis (31)
Dee Gordon (33) — $14MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Josh Harrison (33)
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Cesar Hernandez (31)
Enrique Hernandez (29)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Howie Kendrick (37)
Jason Kipnis (34)
Tommy La Stella (32)
DJ LeMahieu (32)
Jed Lowrie (37)
Brad Miller (31)
Chris Owings (29)
Joe Panik (30)
Jurickson Profar (28)
Jonathan Schoop (29)
Eric Sogard (35)
Jonathan Villar (30)
Kolten Wong (30) — $12.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Shortstops
Ehire Adrianza (31)
Freddy Galvis (31)
Didi Gregorius (31)
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Jose Iglesias (31) — $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Marcus Semien (30)
Andrelton Simmons (31)
Eric Sogard (35)
Third Basemen
Asdrubal Cabrera (35)
Zack Cozart (35)
Todd Frazier (35) — $5.75MM club option,a $1.5MM buyout
Jedd Gyorko (32) — $4.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Tommy La Stella (32)
Jake Lamb (30)
Brad Miller (31)
Eric Sogard (35)
Justin Turner (36)
Left Fielders
Michael Brantley (34)
Ryan Braun (37) — $15MM mutual option,a $4MM buyout
Yoenis Cespedes (35)
Leury Garcia (30) — $3.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Brett Gardner (37) — $10MM club option for 2021
Marwin Gonzalez (32)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Brad Miller (31)
Marcell Ozuna (30)
Joc Pederson (29)
Center Fielders
Jackie Bradley Jr. (31)
Jarrod Dyson (36)
Brett Gardner (37) — $10MM club option,a $2.5MM buyout
Billy Hamilton (30)
Enrique Hernandez (29)
Jake Marisnick (30)
Starling Marte (32) — $12.5MM club option, a $1MM buyout
Cameron Maybin (34)
Kevin Pillar (32)
George Springer (31)
Right Fielders
Jay Bruce (34)
Nick Castellanos (29) — can opt out of remaining three years, $48MM
Adam Eaton (32) — $10.5MM club option, a $1.5MM buyout
Robbie Grossman (31)
Jon Jay (36)
Matt Joyce (36)
Nick Markakis (37)
Yasiel Puig (30)
Josh Reddick (34)
Steven Souza Jr. (32)
Giancarlo Stanton (31) — can opt out of remaining seven years, $218MM
Designated Hitters
Shin-Soo Choo (38)
Nelson Cruz (40)
Edwin Encarnacion (38) — $12MM club option,a $2MM buyout
Matt Kemp (36)
J.D. Martinez (33) — can opt out of reamining two years, $38.75MM
Starting Pitchers
Brett Anderson (33)
Chase Anderson (33) – $9.5MM club option, a $500K buyout
Chris Archer (32) – $11MM club option, a $250K buyout
Jake Arrieta (35)
Homer Bailey (35)
Trevor Bauer (30)
Trevor Cahill (33)
Jhoulys Chacin (33)
Tyler Chatwood (31)
Anthony DeSclafani (31)
Robbie Erlin (30)
Mike Fiers (36)
Kevin Gausman (30)
Gio Gonzalez (35) — $7MM club option with a $500K buyout
Cole Hamels (37)
J.A. Happ (38)
Rich Hill (41)
Merrill Kelly (32) — $4.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Corey Kluber (35) — $17.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Mike Leake (33) — $18MM mutual option with a $5MM buyout
Wade LeBlanc (36)
Jon Lester (37) — $25MM mutual option with a $10MM buyout
Tommy Milone (34)
Mike Minor (33)
Matt Moore (32)
Charlie Morton (37) — $15MM club option with no buyout
Jimmy Nelson (32) — $2MM club option (can become $9MM mutual option based on innings total)
Ivan Nova (34)
Jake Odorizzi (31)
James Paxton (32)
Martin Perez (30) — $6.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Rick Porcello (32)
Jose Quintana (32)
Robbie Ray (29)
Garrett Richards (33)
Tyson Ross (34)
Jeff Samardzija (36)
Anibal Sanchez (37) — $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Matt Shoemaker (34)
Drew Smyly (32)
Marcus Stroman (30)
Masahiro Tanaka (32)
Julio Teheran (30)
Michael Wacha (29)
Adam Wainwright (39)
Taijuan Walker (28)
Alex Wood (30)
Jordan Zimmermann (35)
Right-Handed Relievers
Pedro Baez (33)
Anthony Bass (33)
Dellin Betances (33) — $6MM player option, a $3MM buyout
Brad Boxberger (33)
Brad Brach (35)
Jesse Chavez (37)
Steve Cishek (35) — $6.75MM club option, a $750K buyout
Tyler Clippard (36)
Alex Colome (32)
Wade Davis (35) — $15MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout (becomes $15M player option if Davis finishes 30 games in 2020)
Chris Devenski (30)
Cory Gearrin (35)
Ken Giles (30)
Shane Greene (32)
Matt Harvey (32)
Liam Hendriks (32)
Kelvin Herrera (31) — $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Yoshihisa Hirano (37)
Greg Holland (35)
Jared Hughes (35)
Tommy Hunter (34)
Jeremy Jeffress (33)
Nate Jones (35)
Keone Kela (28)
Ian Kennedy (36)
Brandon Kintzler (36) — $4MM club option with a $250K buyout
Trevor May (31)
Mark Melancon (36)
Juan Nicasio (34)
Darren O’Day (38) – $3.5MM club option, a $500K buyout
Brad Peacock (33)
Yusmeiro Petit (36)
David Phelps (34) — $4.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
David Robertson (36) — $12MM club option, a $2MM buyout
Sergio Romo (38) — $5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Hector Rondon (33) — $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
Trevor Rosenthal (31)
Bryan Shaw (33) — $9MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Joakim Soria (37)
Pedro Strop (36)
Tyler Thornburg (32)
Josh Tomlin (36)
Blake Treinen (33)
Nick Vincent (34)
Edinson Volquez (37)
Brandon Workman (32)
Kirby Yates (34)
Left-Handed Relievers
Jose Alvarez (32)
Luis Avilan (31)
Brett Cecil (34)
Andrew Chafin (31)
Ross Detwiler (35)
Sean Doolittle (34)
Brad Hand (31) — $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Derek Holland (34)
Aaron Loup (33)
T.J. McFarland (32)
Jake McGee (34) — $9MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Oliver Perez (39)
Tony Watson (36)
Justin Wilson (33)
While the Bucs have never really been a factor in free agency (except losing players to free agency), in looking at next year's list of free agents on MLB Trade Rumors (list below), there does not appear to be a lot of talent to get excited about, particularly talent that could offer much for 3 or more seasons.
As such, and in addition to Nutting being cheap, I believe BC will need to try and rebuild the club through trades. Nearly every current player should be available in a potential trade. Perhaps Rodriguez, Musgrove, Bell, and/or Frazier could attract some interest. I view Polanco as a lost cause when it comes to a trade, even if the Bucs agree to cover parts of his remaining salary.
In short, 2021 looks pretty bleak. Inadequate talent on the existing roster, not much available through free agency, and the team lacks players who may bring much back through trades. Tough road ahead for BC, the franchise and for the team's fans.
Lastly, out of the following list --- Who do you recommend the Bucs pursue as a free agent?
Free Agent List - Updated 9-28-20
Catchers
Alex Avila (34)
Drew Butera (37)
Welington Castillo (34)
Jason Castro (34)
Francisco Cervelli (35)
Robinson Chirinos (36) — $6.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Tyler Flowers (35)
Bryan Holaday (33)
Erik Kratz (41)
Sandy Leon (32)
Jeff Mathis (38)
James McCann (31)
Yadier Molina (38)
Roberto Perez (32) — $5.5MM club option with a $450K buyout
Wilson Ramos (33) — $10MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
J.T. Realmuto (30)
Austin Romine (32)
Kurt Suzuki (37)
Stephen Vogt (36) — $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
Matt Wieters (35)
Mike Zunino (30)
First Basemen
Matt Adams (32)
C.J. Cron (31)
Derek Dietrich (31)
Edwin Encarnacion (38) — $12MM club option
Todd Frazier (35) — $5.75MM club option with a $1.5MM
Yuli Gurriel (37)
Howie Kendrick (37)
Brad Miller (31)
Mitch Moreland (35) — $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
Logan Morrison (33)
Daniel Murphy (36) — $12MM mutual option with a $6MM buyout
Anthony Rizzo (31) — $14.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Pablo Sandoval (34)
Carlos Santana (35) — $17.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Justin Smoak (34) — $5.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Eric Thames (34) — $4MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Neil Walker (35)
Ryan Zimmerman (36)
Second Basemen
Asdrubal Cabrera (35)
Daniel Descalso (34) — $3.5MM club option, a $1MM buyout
Derek Dietrich (31)
Logan Forsythe (34)
Freddy Galvis (31)
Dee Gordon (33) — $14MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Josh Harrison (33)
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Cesar Hernandez (31)
Enrique Hernandez (29)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Howie Kendrick (37)
Jason Kipnis (34)
Tommy La Stella (32)
DJ LeMahieu (32)
Jed Lowrie (37)
Brad Miller (31)
Chris Owings (29)
Joe Panik (30)
Jurickson Profar (28)
Jonathan Schoop (29)
Eric Sogard (35)
Jonathan Villar (30)
Kolten Wong (30) — $12.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Shortstops
Ehire Adrianza (31)
Freddy Galvis (31)
Didi Gregorius (31)
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Jose Iglesias (31) — $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Marcus Semien (30)
Andrelton Simmons (31)
Eric Sogard (35)
Third Basemen
Asdrubal Cabrera (35)
Zack Cozart (35)
Todd Frazier (35) — $5.75MM club option,a $1.5MM buyout
Jedd Gyorko (32) — $4.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Tommy La Stella (32)
Jake Lamb (30)
Brad Miller (31)
Eric Sogard (35)
Justin Turner (36)
Left Fielders
Michael Brantley (34)
Ryan Braun (37) — $15MM mutual option,a $4MM buyout
Yoenis Cespedes (35)
Leury Garcia (30) — $3.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Brett Gardner (37) — $10MM club option for 2021
Marwin Gonzalez (32)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Brad Miller (31)
Marcell Ozuna (30)
Joc Pederson (29)
Center Fielders
Jackie Bradley Jr. (31)
Jarrod Dyson (36)
Brett Gardner (37) — $10MM club option,a $2.5MM buyout
Billy Hamilton (30)
Enrique Hernandez (29)
Jake Marisnick (30)
Starling Marte (32) — $12.5MM club option, a $1MM buyout
Cameron Maybin (34)
Kevin Pillar (32)
George Springer (31)
Right Fielders
Jay Bruce (34)
Nick Castellanos (29) — can opt out of remaining three years, $48MM
Adam Eaton (32) — $10.5MM club option, a $1.5MM buyout
Robbie Grossman (31)
Jon Jay (36)
Matt Joyce (36)
Nick Markakis (37)
Yasiel Puig (30)
Josh Reddick (34)
Steven Souza Jr. (32)
Giancarlo Stanton (31) — can opt out of remaining seven years, $218MM
Designated Hitters
Shin-Soo Choo (38)
Nelson Cruz (40)
Edwin Encarnacion (38) — $12MM club option,a $2MM buyout
Matt Kemp (36)
J.D. Martinez (33) — can opt out of reamining two years, $38.75MM
Starting Pitchers
Brett Anderson (33)
Chase Anderson (33) – $9.5MM club option, a $500K buyout
Chris Archer (32) – $11MM club option, a $250K buyout
Jake Arrieta (35)
Homer Bailey (35)
Trevor Bauer (30)
Trevor Cahill (33)
Jhoulys Chacin (33)
Tyler Chatwood (31)
Anthony DeSclafani (31)
Robbie Erlin (30)
Mike Fiers (36)
Kevin Gausman (30)
Gio Gonzalez (35) — $7MM club option with a $500K buyout
Cole Hamels (37)
J.A. Happ (38)
Rich Hill (41)
Merrill Kelly (32) — $4.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Corey Kluber (35) — $17.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Mike Leake (33) — $18MM mutual option with a $5MM buyout
Wade LeBlanc (36)
Jon Lester (37) — $25MM mutual option with a $10MM buyout
Tommy Milone (34)
Mike Minor (33)
Matt Moore (32)
Charlie Morton (37) — $15MM club option with no buyout
Jimmy Nelson (32) — $2MM club option (can become $9MM mutual option based on innings total)
Ivan Nova (34)
Jake Odorizzi (31)
James Paxton (32)
Martin Perez (30) — $6.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Rick Porcello (32)
Jose Quintana (32)
Robbie Ray (29)
Garrett Richards (33)
Tyson Ross (34)
Jeff Samardzija (36)
Anibal Sanchez (37) — $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Matt Shoemaker (34)
Drew Smyly (32)
Marcus Stroman (30)
Masahiro Tanaka (32)
Julio Teheran (30)
Michael Wacha (29)
Adam Wainwright (39)
Taijuan Walker (28)
Alex Wood (30)
Jordan Zimmermann (35)
Right-Handed Relievers
Pedro Baez (33)
Anthony Bass (33)
Dellin Betances (33) — $6MM player option, a $3MM buyout
Brad Boxberger (33)
Brad Brach (35)
Jesse Chavez (37)
Steve Cishek (35) — $6.75MM club option, a $750K buyout
Tyler Clippard (36)
Alex Colome (32)
Wade Davis (35) — $15MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout (becomes $15M player option if Davis finishes 30 games in 2020)
Chris Devenski (30)
Cory Gearrin (35)
Ken Giles (30)
Shane Greene (32)
Matt Harvey (32)
Liam Hendriks (32)
Kelvin Herrera (31) — $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Yoshihisa Hirano (37)
Greg Holland (35)
Jared Hughes (35)
Tommy Hunter (34)
Jeremy Jeffress (33)
Nate Jones (35)
Keone Kela (28)
Ian Kennedy (36)
Brandon Kintzler (36) — $4MM club option with a $250K buyout
Trevor May (31)
Mark Melancon (36)
Juan Nicasio (34)
Darren O’Day (38) – $3.5MM club option, a $500K buyout
Brad Peacock (33)
Yusmeiro Petit (36)
David Phelps (34) — $4.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
David Robertson (36) — $12MM club option, a $2MM buyout
Sergio Romo (38) — $5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Hector Rondon (33) — $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
Trevor Rosenthal (31)
Bryan Shaw (33) — $9MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Joakim Soria (37)
Pedro Strop (36)
Tyler Thornburg (32)
Josh Tomlin (36)
Blake Treinen (33)
Nick Vincent (34)
Edinson Volquez (37)
Brandon Workman (32)
Kirby Yates (34)
Left-Handed Relievers
Jose Alvarez (32)
Luis Avilan (31)
Brett Cecil (34)
Andrew Chafin (31)
Ross Detwiler (35)
Sean Doolittle (34)
Brad Hand (31) — $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Derek Holland (34)
Aaron Loup (33)
T.J. McFarland (32)
Jake McGee (34) — $9MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Oliver Perez (39)
Tony Watson (36)
Justin Wilson (33)
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ArnoldRothstein
Off Season Thread
Erik Kratz (41)
This guy is my idol. Working on his sixth year of service time, all earned after he turned 30.
This guy is my idol. Working on his sixth year of service time, all earned after he turned 30.
Off Season Thread
012D2522290E392F3F4C0 wrote: Yep, another off-season has arrived and the Pirates, once again, are not in the play-offs.
While the Bucs have never really been a factor in free agency (except losing players to free agency), in looking at next year's list of free agents on MLB Trade Rumors (list below), there does not appear to be a lot of talent to get excited about, particularly talent that could offer much for 3 or more seasons.
As such, and in addition to Nutting being cheap, I believe BC will need to try and rebuild the club through trades. Nearly every current player should be available in a potential trade. Perhaps Rodriguez, Musgrove, Bell, and/or Frazier could attract some interest. I view Polanco as a lost cause when it comes to a trade, even if the Bucs agree to cover parts of his remaining salary.
In short, 2021 looks pretty bleak. Inadequate talent on the existing roster, not much available through free agency, and the team lacks players who may bring much back through trades. Tough road ahead for BC, the franchise and for the team's fans.
Lastly, out of the following list --- Who do you recommend the Bucs pursue as a free agent?
Free Agent List - Updated 9-28-20
Catchers
Alex Avila (34)
Drew Butera (37)
Welington Castillo (34)
Jason Castro (34)
Francisco Cervelli (35)
Robinson Chirinos (36) — $6.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Tyler Flowers (35)
Bryan Holaday (33)
Erik Kratz (41)
Sandy Leon (32)
Jeff Mathis (38)
James McCann (31)
Yadier Molina (38)
Roberto Perez (32) — $5.5MM club option with a $450K buyout
Wilson Ramos (33) — $10MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
J.T. Realmuto (30)
Austin Romine (32)
Kurt Suzuki (37)
Stephen Vogt (36) — $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
Matt Wieters (35)
Mike Zunino (30)
First Basemen
Matt Adams (32)
C.J. Cron (31)
Derek Dietrich (31)
Edwin Encarnacion (38) — $12MM club option
Todd Frazier (35) — $5.75MM club option with a $1.5MM
Yuli Gurriel (37)
Howie Kendrick (37)
Brad Miller (31)
Mitch Moreland (35) — $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
Logan Morrison (33)
Daniel Murphy (36) — $12MM mutual option with a $6MM buyout
Anthony Rizzo (31) — $14.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Pablo Sandoval (34)
Carlos Santana (35) — $17.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Justin Smoak (34) — $5.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Eric Thames (34) — $4MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Neil Walker (35)
Ryan Zimmerman (36)
Second Basemen
Asdrubal Cabrera (35)
Daniel Descalso (34) — $3.5MM club option, a $1MM buyout
Derek Dietrich (31)
Logan Forsythe (34)
Freddy Galvis (31)
Dee Gordon (33) — $14MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Josh Harrison (33)
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Cesar Hernandez (31)
Enrique Hernandez (29)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Howie Kendrick (37)
Jason Kipnis (34)
Tommy La Stella (32)
DJ LeMahieu (32)
Jed Lowrie (37)
Brad Miller (31)
Chris Owings (29)
Joe Panik (30)
Jurickson Profar (28)
Jonathan Schoop (29)
Eric Sogard (35)
Jonathan Villar (30)
Kolten Wong (30) — $12.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Shortstops
Ehire Adrianza (31)
Freddy Galvis (31)
Didi Gregorius (31)
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Jose Iglesias (31) — $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Marcus Semien (30)
Andrelton Simmons (31)
Eric Sogard (35)
Third Basemen
Asdrubal Cabrera (35)
Zack Cozart (35)
Todd Frazier (35) — $5.75MM club option,a $1.5MM buyout
Jedd Gyorko (32) — $4.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Tommy La Stella (32)
Jake Lamb (30)
Brad Miller (31)
Eric Sogard (35)
Justin Turner (36)
Left Fielders
Michael Brantley (34)
Ryan Braun (37) — $15MM mutual option,a $4MM buyout
Yoenis Cespedes (35)
Leury Garcia (30) — $3.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Brett Gardner (37) — $10MM club option for 2021
Marwin Gonzalez (32)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Brad Miller (31)
Marcell Ozuna (30)
Joc Pederson (29)
Center Fielders
Jackie Bradley Jr. (31)
Jarrod Dyson (36)
Brett Gardner (37) — $10MM club option,a $2.5MM buyout
Billy Hamilton (30)
Enrique Hernandez (29)
Jake Marisnick (30)
Starling Marte (32) — $12.5MM club option, a $1MM buyout
Cameron Maybin (34)
Kevin Pillar (32)
George Springer (31)
Right Fielders
Jay Bruce (34)
Nick Castellanos (29) — can opt out of remaining three years, $48MM
Adam Eaton (32) — $10.5MM club option, a $1.5MM buyout
Robbie Grossman (31)
Jon Jay (36)
Matt Joyce (36)
Nick Markakis (37)
Yasiel Puig (30)
Josh Reddick (34)
Steven Souza Jr. (32)
Giancarlo Stanton (31) — can opt out of remaining seven years, $218MM
Designated Hitters
Shin-Soo Choo (38)
Nelson Cruz (40)
Edwin Encarnacion (38) — $12MM club option,a $2MM buyout
Matt Kemp (36)
J.D. Martinez (33) — can opt out of reamining two years, $38.75MM
Starting Pitchers
Brett Anderson (33)
Chase Anderson (33) – $9.5MM club option, a $500K buyout
Chris Archer (32) – $11MM club option, a $250K buyout
Jake Arrieta (35)
Homer Bailey (35)
Trevor Bauer (30)
Trevor Cahill (33)
Jhoulys Chacin (33)
Tyler Chatwood (31)
Anthony DeSclafani (31)
Robbie Erlin (30)
Mike Fiers (36)
Kevin Gausman (30)
Gio Gonzalez (35) — $7MM club option with a $500K buyout
Cole Hamels (37)
J.A. Happ (38)
Rich Hill (41)
Merrill Kelly (32) — $4.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Corey Kluber (35) — $17.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Mike Leake (33) — $18MM mutual option with a $5MM buyout
Wade LeBlanc (36)
Jon Lester (37) — $25MM mutual option with a $10MM buyout
Tommy Milone (34)
Mike Minor (33)
Matt Moore (32)
Charlie Morton (37) — $15MM club option with no buyout
Jimmy Nelson (32) — $2MM club option (can become $9MM mutual option based on innings total)
Ivan Nova (34)
Jake Odorizzi (31)
James Paxton (32)
Martin Perez (30) — $6.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Rick Porcello (32)
Jose Quintana (32)
Robbie Ray (29)
Garrett Richards (33)
Tyson Ross (34)
Jeff Samardzija (36)
Anibal Sanchez (37) — $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Matt Shoemaker (34)
Drew Smyly (32)
Marcus Stroman (30)
Masahiro Tanaka (32)
Julio Teheran (30)
Michael Wacha (29)
Adam Wainwright (39)
Taijuan Walker (28)
Alex Wood (30)
Jordan Zimmermann (35)
Right-Handed Relievers
Pedro Baez (33)
Anthony Bass (33)
Dellin Betances (33) — $6MM player option, a $3MM buyout
Brad Boxberger (33)
Brad Brach (35)
Jesse Chavez (37)
Steve Cishek (35) — $6.75MM club option, a $750K buyout
Tyler Clippard (36)
Alex Colome (32)
Wade Davis (35) — $15MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout (becomes $15M player option if Davis finishes 30 games in 2020)
Chris Devenski (30)
Cory Gearrin (35)
Ken Giles (30)
Shane Greene (32)
Matt Harvey (32)
Liam Hendriks (32)
Kelvin Herrera (31) — $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Yoshihisa Hirano (37)
Greg Holland (35)
Jared Hughes (35)
Tommy Hunter (34)
Jeremy Jeffress (33)
Nate Jones (35)
Keone Kela (28)
Ian Kennedy (36)
Brandon Kintzler (36) — $4MM club option with a $250K buyout
Trevor May (31)
Mark Melancon (36)
Juan Nicasio (34)
Darren O’Day (38) – $3.5MM club option, a $500K buyout
Brad Peacock (33)
Yusmeiro Petit (36)
David Phelps (34) — $4.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
David Robertson (36) — $12MM club option, a $2MM buyout
Sergio Romo (38) — $5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Hector Rondon (33) — $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
Trevor Rosenthal (31)
Bryan Shaw (33) — $9MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Joakim Soria (37)
Pedro Strop (36)
Tyler Thornburg (32)
Josh Tomlin (36)
Blake Treinen (33)
Nick Vincent (34)
Edinson Volquez (37)
Brandon Workman (32)
Kirby Yates (34)
Left-Handed Relievers
Jose Alvarez (32)
Luis Avilan (31)
Brett Cecil (34)
Andrew Chafin (31)
Ross Detwiler (35)
Sean Doolittle (34)
Brad Hand (31) — $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Derek Holland (34)
Aaron Loup (33)
T.J. McFarland (32)
Jake McGee (34) — $9MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Oliver Perez (39)
Tony Watson (36)
Justin Wilson (33)
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many of the players on this list would be an upgrade over what we have, but these cheapskates just will not spend the money to bring any of them in to Pittsburgh. Instead they will just kick the can down the road to 2022.
While the Bucs have never really been a factor in free agency (except losing players to free agency), in looking at next year's list of free agents on MLB Trade Rumors (list below), there does not appear to be a lot of talent to get excited about, particularly talent that could offer much for 3 or more seasons.
As such, and in addition to Nutting being cheap, I believe BC will need to try and rebuild the club through trades. Nearly every current player should be available in a potential trade. Perhaps Rodriguez, Musgrove, Bell, and/or Frazier could attract some interest. I view Polanco as a lost cause when it comes to a trade, even if the Bucs agree to cover parts of his remaining salary.
In short, 2021 looks pretty bleak. Inadequate talent on the existing roster, not much available through free agency, and the team lacks players who may bring much back through trades. Tough road ahead for BC, the franchise and for the team's fans.
Lastly, out of the following list --- Who do you recommend the Bucs pursue as a free agent?
Free Agent List - Updated 9-28-20
Catchers
Alex Avila (34)
Drew Butera (37)
Welington Castillo (34)
Jason Castro (34)
Francisco Cervelli (35)
Robinson Chirinos (36) — $6.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Tyler Flowers (35)
Bryan Holaday (33)
Erik Kratz (41)
Sandy Leon (32)
Jeff Mathis (38)
James McCann (31)
Yadier Molina (38)
Roberto Perez (32) — $5.5MM club option with a $450K buyout
Wilson Ramos (33) — $10MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
J.T. Realmuto (30)
Austin Romine (32)
Kurt Suzuki (37)
Stephen Vogt (36) — $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
Matt Wieters (35)
Mike Zunino (30)
First Basemen
Matt Adams (32)
C.J. Cron (31)
Derek Dietrich (31)
Edwin Encarnacion (38) — $12MM club option
Todd Frazier (35) — $5.75MM club option with a $1.5MM
Yuli Gurriel (37)
Howie Kendrick (37)
Brad Miller (31)
Mitch Moreland (35) — $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
Logan Morrison (33)
Daniel Murphy (36) — $12MM mutual option with a $6MM buyout
Anthony Rizzo (31) — $14.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Pablo Sandoval (34)
Carlos Santana (35) — $17.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Justin Smoak (34) — $5.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Eric Thames (34) — $4MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Neil Walker (35)
Ryan Zimmerman (36)
Second Basemen
Asdrubal Cabrera (35)
Daniel Descalso (34) — $3.5MM club option, a $1MM buyout
Derek Dietrich (31)
Logan Forsythe (34)
Freddy Galvis (31)
Dee Gordon (33) — $14MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Josh Harrison (33)
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Cesar Hernandez (31)
Enrique Hernandez (29)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Howie Kendrick (37)
Jason Kipnis (34)
Tommy La Stella (32)
DJ LeMahieu (32)
Jed Lowrie (37)
Brad Miller (31)
Chris Owings (29)
Joe Panik (30)
Jurickson Profar (28)
Jonathan Schoop (29)
Eric Sogard (35)
Jonathan Villar (30)
Kolten Wong (30) — $12.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Shortstops
Ehire Adrianza (31)
Freddy Galvis (31)
Didi Gregorius (31)
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Jose Iglesias (31) — $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Marcus Semien (30)
Andrelton Simmons (31)
Eric Sogard (35)
Third Basemen
Asdrubal Cabrera (35)
Zack Cozart (35)
Todd Frazier (35) — $5.75MM club option,a $1.5MM buyout
Jedd Gyorko (32) — $4.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Adeiny Hechavarria (32)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Tommy La Stella (32)
Jake Lamb (30)
Brad Miller (31)
Eric Sogard (35)
Justin Turner (36)
Left Fielders
Michael Brantley (34)
Ryan Braun (37) — $15MM mutual option,a $4MM buyout
Yoenis Cespedes (35)
Leury Garcia (30) — $3.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Brett Gardner (37) — $10MM club option for 2021
Marwin Gonzalez (32)
Brock Holt (33) – $5MM club option with a $750K buyout
Brad Miller (31)
Marcell Ozuna (30)
Joc Pederson (29)
Center Fielders
Jackie Bradley Jr. (31)
Jarrod Dyson (36)
Brett Gardner (37) — $10MM club option,a $2.5MM buyout
Billy Hamilton (30)
Enrique Hernandez (29)
Jake Marisnick (30)
Starling Marte (32) — $12.5MM club option, a $1MM buyout
Cameron Maybin (34)
Kevin Pillar (32)
George Springer (31)
Right Fielders
Jay Bruce (34)
Nick Castellanos (29) — can opt out of remaining three years, $48MM
Adam Eaton (32) — $10.5MM club option, a $1.5MM buyout
Robbie Grossman (31)
Jon Jay (36)
Matt Joyce (36)
Nick Markakis (37)
Yasiel Puig (30)
Josh Reddick (34)
Steven Souza Jr. (32)
Giancarlo Stanton (31) — can opt out of remaining seven years, $218MM
Designated Hitters
Shin-Soo Choo (38)
Nelson Cruz (40)
Edwin Encarnacion (38) — $12MM club option,a $2MM buyout
Matt Kemp (36)
J.D. Martinez (33) — can opt out of reamining two years, $38.75MM
Starting Pitchers
Brett Anderson (33)
Chase Anderson (33) – $9.5MM club option, a $500K buyout
Chris Archer (32) – $11MM club option, a $250K buyout
Jake Arrieta (35)
Homer Bailey (35)
Trevor Bauer (30)
Trevor Cahill (33)
Jhoulys Chacin (33)
Tyler Chatwood (31)
Anthony DeSclafani (31)
Robbie Erlin (30)
Mike Fiers (36)
Kevin Gausman (30)
Gio Gonzalez (35) — $7MM club option with a $500K buyout
Cole Hamels (37)
J.A. Happ (38)
Rich Hill (41)
Merrill Kelly (32) — $4.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Corey Kluber (35) — $17.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Mike Leake (33) — $18MM mutual option with a $5MM buyout
Wade LeBlanc (36)
Jon Lester (37) — $25MM mutual option with a $10MM buyout
Tommy Milone (34)
Mike Minor (33)
Matt Moore (32)
Charlie Morton (37) — $15MM club option with no buyout
Jimmy Nelson (32) — $2MM club option (can become $9MM mutual option based on innings total)
Ivan Nova (34)
Jake Odorizzi (31)
James Paxton (32)
Martin Perez (30) — $6.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Rick Porcello (32)
Jose Quintana (32)
Robbie Ray (29)
Garrett Richards (33)
Tyson Ross (34)
Jeff Samardzija (36)
Anibal Sanchez (37) — $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Matt Shoemaker (34)
Drew Smyly (32)
Marcus Stroman (30)
Masahiro Tanaka (32)
Julio Teheran (30)
Michael Wacha (29)
Adam Wainwright (39)
Taijuan Walker (28)
Alex Wood (30)
Jordan Zimmermann (35)
Right-Handed Relievers
Pedro Baez (33)
Anthony Bass (33)
Dellin Betances (33) — $6MM player option, a $3MM buyout
Brad Boxberger (33)
Brad Brach (35)
Jesse Chavez (37)
Steve Cishek (35) — $6.75MM club option, a $750K buyout
Tyler Clippard (36)
Alex Colome (32)
Wade Davis (35) — $15MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout (becomes $15M player option if Davis finishes 30 games in 2020)
Chris Devenski (30)
Cory Gearrin (35)
Ken Giles (30)
Shane Greene (32)
Matt Harvey (32)
Liam Hendriks (32)
Kelvin Herrera (31) — $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Yoshihisa Hirano (37)
Greg Holland (35)
Jared Hughes (35)
Tommy Hunter (34)
Jeremy Jeffress (33)
Nate Jones (35)
Keone Kela (28)
Ian Kennedy (36)
Brandon Kintzler (36) — $4MM club option with a $250K buyout
Trevor May (31)
Mark Melancon (36)
Juan Nicasio (34)
Darren O’Day (38) – $3.5MM club option, a $500K buyout
Brad Peacock (33)
Yusmeiro Petit (36)
David Phelps (34) — $4.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
David Robertson (36) — $12MM club option, a $2MM buyout
Sergio Romo (38) — $5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Hector Rondon (33) — $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
Trevor Rosenthal (31)
Bryan Shaw (33) — $9MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Joakim Soria (37)
Pedro Strop (36)
Tyler Thornburg (32)
Josh Tomlin (36)
Blake Treinen (33)
Nick Vincent (34)
Edinson Volquez (37)
Brandon Workman (32)
Kirby Yates (34)
Left-Handed Relievers
Jose Alvarez (32)
Luis Avilan (31)
Brett Cecil (34)
Andrew Chafin (31)
Ross Detwiler (35)
Sean Doolittle (34)
Brad Hand (31) — $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Derek Holland (34)
Aaron Loup (33)
T.J. McFarland (32)
Jake McGee (34) — $9MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Oliver Perez (39)
Tony Watson (36)
Justin Wilson (33)
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many of the players on this list would be an upgrade over what we have, but these cheapskates just will not spend the money to bring any of them in to Pittsburgh. Instead they will just kick the can down the road to 2022.
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Off Season Thread
I blame Yinzers.
They hate guys who make bank.
Play the kids.
And finish dead last so you can get more kids who don't cut it, either.
BOB rakes it in!
They hate guys who make bank.
Play the kids.
And finish dead last so you can get more kids who don't cut it, either.
BOB rakes it in!
Off Season Thread
556077777C4577777C7B77120 wrote: I blame Yinzers.
They hate guys who make bank.
Play the kids.
And finish dead last so you can get more kids who don't cut it, either.
BOB rakes it in!
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B-15, BINGO
They hate guys who make bank.
Play the kids.
And finish dead last so you can get more kids who don't cut it, either.
BOB rakes it in!
______
B-15, BINGO
Off Season Thread
Here are all teams salary commitments for the future:
Rank Team Total
1 Angels $651.00
2 Yankees $612.00
3 Dodgers $533.36
4 Nationals $488.68
5 Phillies $488.50
6 Padres $396.00
7 Red Sox $355.85
8 Rockies $337.50
9 White Sox $317.75
10 Brewers $299.30
11 Reds $290.88
12 Astros $254.79
13 Cardinals $230.75
14 Cubs $228.50
15 Braves $204.53
16 Mets $201.00
17 Diamondbacks $166.43
18 Twins $154.02
19 Giants $129.15
20 Blue Jays $122.07
21 Mariners $115.45
22 Orioles $106.00
23 Tigers $102.00
24 Rangers $101.50
25 Rays $101.17
26 Indians $40.65
27 Royals $38.75
28 Athletics $37.00
29 Pirates $15.25
30 Marlins $14.25
Rank Team Total
1 Angels $651.00
2 Yankees $612.00
3 Dodgers $533.36
4 Nationals $488.68
5 Phillies $488.50
6 Padres $396.00
7 Red Sox $355.85
8 Rockies $337.50
9 White Sox $317.75
10 Brewers $299.30
11 Reds $290.88
12 Astros $254.79
13 Cardinals $230.75
14 Cubs $228.50
15 Braves $204.53
16 Mets $201.00
17 Diamondbacks $166.43
18 Twins $154.02
19 Giants $129.15
20 Blue Jays $122.07
21 Mariners $115.45
22 Orioles $106.00
23 Tigers $102.00
24 Rangers $101.50
25 Rays $101.17
26 Indians $40.65
27 Royals $38.75
28 Athletics $37.00
29 Pirates $15.25
30 Marlins $14.25