6F687E76786F28245D7A707C7471337E72701D0 wrote: And plan on paying to keep a player or two into free agency.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
The player has to want to stay. And when the Pirates are noncompetitive, players look forward to the time they can leave and have options as a FA.
Rocker vs Leiter as it now stands.
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Rocker vs Leiter as it now stands.
New write up on draft. Leiter and Lawlar ##1 & 2. Check write up on Leiter withNutting reference. Also - forget Lawlar signing below slot.
Oops: link - now I can’t find the link. Bottom line, every review I’ve read the past day has moved Rocker down toward #5 or so.
Oops: link - now I can’t find the link. Bottom line, every review I’ve read the past day has moved Rocker down toward #5 or so.
Rocker vs Leiter as it now stands.
426F62737465723231000 wrote: And plan on paying to keep a player or two into free agency.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
The player has to want to stay. And when the Pirates are noncompetitive, players look forward to the time they can leave and have options as a FA.
Right, but that hurdle isn't any bigger when trying to keep a player than it is when trying to sign a FA.
If the goal is to develop a class of players who all mature into a championship team the same season prior to becoming free agents, then honestly, that #1 pick really won't make much of a difference.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
The player has to want to stay. And when the Pirates are noncompetitive, players look forward to the time they can leave and have options as a FA.
Right, but that hurdle isn't any bigger when trying to keep a player than it is when trying to sign a FA.
If the goal is to develop a class of players who all mature into a championship team the same season prior to becoming free agents, then honestly, that #1 pick really won't make much of a difference.
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skinnyhorse
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6E697F77796E29255C7B717D7570327F73711C0 wrote: And plan on paying to keep a player or two into free agency.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
I'm really sick of keeping pitchers in the minors 5 years or so. That's ridiculous but that's what we do. The only one I can remember who didn't is Cole. I think he was only in minors for a year. He turned out pretty good. I think he negotiated that in his signing contract. More young pitcher could learn from Cole. A pitcher only has so many pitches in his arm.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
I'm really sick of keeping pitchers in the minors 5 years or so. That's ridiculous but that's what we do. The only one I can remember who didn't is Cole. I think he was only in minors for a year. He turned out pretty good. I think he negotiated that in his signing contract. More young pitcher could learn from Cole. A pitcher only has so many pitches in his arm.
Rocker vs Leiter as it now stands.
3D252720203726213C3D2B4E0 wrote: And plan on paying to keep a player or two into free agency.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
I'm really sick of keeping pitchers in the minors 5 years or so. That's ridiculous but that's what we do. The only one I can remember who didn't is Cole. I think he was only in minors for a year. He turned out pretty good. I think he negotiated that in his signing contract. More young pitcher could learn from Cole. A pitcher only has so many pitches in his arm.
I agree. Especially with college pitchers who are already in their 20s. Leiter and Rocker will have already pitched some huge games in the playoffs on national TV by the time they are drafted. With those experiences (especially if they dominate) they will have already had to deal with the big time pressures that come with playing pro ball against other pro players. They shouldn't need that much seasoning in the minors.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
I'm really sick of keeping pitchers in the minors 5 years or so. That's ridiculous but that's what we do. The only one I can remember who didn't is Cole. I think he was only in minors for a year. He turned out pretty good. I think he negotiated that in his signing contract. More young pitcher could learn from Cole. A pitcher only has so many pitches in his arm.
I agree. Especially with college pitchers who are already in their 20s. Leiter and Rocker will have already pitched some huge games in the playoffs on national TV by the time they are drafted. With those experiences (especially if they dominate) they will have already had to deal with the big time pressures that come with playing pro ball against other pro players. They shouldn't need that much seasoning in the minors.
Rocker vs Leiter as it now stands.
64795D5F51340 wrote: And plan on paying to keep a player or two into free agency.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
I'm really sick of keeping pitchers in the minors 5 years or so. That's ridiculous but that's what we do. The only one I can remember who didn't is Cole. I think he was only in minors for a year. He turned out pretty good. I think he negotiated that in his signing contract. More young pitcher could learn from Cole. A pitcher only has so many pitches in his arm.
I agree. Especially with college pitchers who are already in their 20s. Leiter and Rocker will have already pitched some huge games in the playoffs on national TV by the time they are drafted. With those experiences (especially if they dominate) they will have already had to deal with the big time pressures that come with playing pro ball against other pro players. They shouldn't need that much seasoning in the minors.
they shouldn't need much seasoning but they need to go the minors and dominate there too. I don't know if it is the Pirates development staff, coaching or scouting but the team has not had success in turning pitchers into good pitchers, no doubt some because of injury. But Kingham, Glasnow, Keller, Kuhl have not yet produced for the Bucs. Brubaker is the exception but still only a limited number of appearances for him.
Yes. Especially if it’s a pitcher that took a couple years to develop. But we know the most expensive FA years to buy out.
I'm really sick of keeping pitchers in the minors 5 years or so. That's ridiculous but that's what we do. The only one I can remember who didn't is Cole. I think he was only in minors for a year. He turned out pretty good. I think he negotiated that in his signing contract. More young pitcher could learn from Cole. A pitcher only has so many pitches in his arm.
I agree. Especially with college pitchers who are already in their 20s. Leiter and Rocker will have already pitched some huge games in the playoffs on national TV by the time they are drafted. With those experiences (especially if they dominate) they will have already had to deal with the big time pressures that come with playing pro ball against other pro players. They shouldn't need that much seasoning in the minors.
they shouldn't need much seasoning but they need to go the minors and dominate there too. I don't know if it is the Pirates development staff, coaching or scouting but the team has not had success in turning pitchers into good pitchers, no doubt some because of injury. But Kingham, Glasnow, Keller, Kuhl have not yet produced for the Bucs. Brubaker is the exception but still only a limited number of appearances for him.
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Rocker vs Leiter as it now stands.
Leiter was rocked for the second straight start . Looking like it could be the HS ss ?
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595E4F5C4F1E132A0 wrote: Leiter was rocked for the second straight start . Looking like it could be the HS ss ?
I just noticed that Leiter had a rough game today. Only 4 innings pitched 7 runs and five were earned runs. It is going to be a tough choice for the Pirates. Lawler is beginning to be in play as a number 1 pick.
I just noticed that Leiter had a rough game today. Only 4 innings pitched 7 runs and five were earned runs. It is going to be a tough choice for the Pirates. Lawler is beginning to be in play as a number 1 pick.
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As I stated in an earlier post when Leiter was pitching lights out.
Wait and see when he has pitched more innings. He has not pitched many innings to date. Rocker has the frame and physicality to log innings. I think either one will be a fine #1 pick though I prefer Rocker. This is the one chance for the Bucs to land legit #1 starter.
They can only do this through the draft.
No way do you waste this pick on a HS SS unless he has the same genes as a Tatis.
Wait and see when he has pitched more innings. He has not pitched many innings to date. Rocker has the frame and physicality to log innings. I think either one will be a fine #1 pick though I prefer Rocker. This is the one chance for the Bucs to land legit #1 starter.
They can only do this through the draft.
No way do you waste this pick on a HS SS unless he has the same genes as a Tatis.
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6B4E4D4D58734E464453210 wrote: As I stated in an earlier post when Leiter was pitching lights out.
Wait and see when he has pitched more innings. He has not pitched many innings to date. Rocker has the frame and physicality to log innings. I think either one will be a fine #1 pick though I prefer Rocker. This is the one chance for the Bucs to land legit #1 starter.
They can only do this through the draft.
No way do you waste this pick on a HS SS unless he has the same genes as a Tatis.
Whoever they pick they must get them up quick. This crap of keeping a number 1 in the minors for 4 years is ridiculous. If their that far away then we should never have choose them. Whoever they sign the prospect should negotiate that in their contract.
Wait and see when he has pitched more innings. He has not pitched many innings to date. Rocker has the frame and physicality to log innings. I think either one will be a fine #1 pick though I prefer Rocker. This is the one chance for the Bucs to land legit #1 starter.
They can only do this through the draft.
No way do you waste this pick on a HS SS unless he has the same genes as a Tatis.
Whoever they pick they must get them up quick. This crap of keeping a number 1 in the minors for 4 years is ridiculous. If their that far away then we should never have choose them. Whoever they sign the prospect should negotiate that in their contract.