The final results
1. Mitch Keller, 21, SP, AA
2. Austin Meadows, 22, OF (traded)
3. Shane Baz, 18, SP (traded)
4. Cole Tucker, 21, SS, AA
5. Colin Moran, 24, 3B, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status)
6. Ke'Bryan Hayes, 20, 3B, A+
7. Kevin Newman, 24, SS, AAA (made it to MLB)
8. Taylor Hearn, 23, SP (traded)
9. Bryan Reynolds, 22, OF
10. Jordan Luplow, 24, OF (exceeded rookie status)
11. Max Moroff, 24, IF, MLB (exceeded rookie status)
12. Nick Kingham, 26, SP, AAA (exceeded rookie status)
13. Kevin Kramer, 24, 2B, AA, (made it to MLB)
14. Luis Escobar, 21, SP
15. Kevin "Lolo" Sanchez, 18, OF
16. Will Craig, 23, 1B
17. Kyle Crick, 25, RP, MLB/AAA (exceeded rookie status)
18. Jason Martin, 22, OF
19. Oneil Cruz, 19, 3B/SS
20. Clay Holmes, 24, SP, AAA (still eligible)
21. Mason Martin, 18, 1B
22. Edgar Santana, 26, RP, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status)
23. Cal Mitchell, 19, OF
24. Stephen Jennings, 19, SP
25. Braeden Ogle, 20, SP
26. Connor Uselton, 19, OF
27. Nick Burdi, 25, RR (still eligible)
28. Steven Alemais, 22, SS/2B
29. Max Kranick, 20, SP
30. Dovydas Neverauskas, 25, RP (exceeded rookie status)
31. Adrian Valerio, SS, 20
32. Logan Hill, 24, OF
33. Chris Bostick, 24, IF, AAA/MLB (traded)
34. Gage Hinsz, 21, SP
35. Dario Agrazal, 22, SP
36. Rodolfo Castro, 18, SS
37. Eduardo Vera, 23, SP, A
38-41 were results of a run-off of a 4 way tie at #38
38. Bligh Madris, 22, OF, R
39. Brandon Waddell, 23, SP, AA
40. Jin-De Jhang, 24, C, AA
41. Cody Bolton, 19, SP, R
Others who were in the poll but did not make the top 41:
3b/C Hunter Owen, 24, A+
P J.T. Brubaker, 23, AA
3B Eric Wood, 25, AAA
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible)
OF Edinson Lantigua, 21, A-
P Oddy Nunez, 21, A+
P Yeudy Garcia, 25, AA
And not receiving any votes
OF Jared Oliva, 21, R+
P Alex McRae, 24, AA
P Pedro Vasquez, 22, A+
this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
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psuinpgh21
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psuinpgh21
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this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
so 4 of the top 41 were traded, 7 lost rookie eligibility. This did not include draft picks or players who made their state-side debut this year. I would guess after #2 on next year's poll it will be wide open.
this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
Keller, Tucker, Hayes, Swaggerty are the obvious top four, right.
Maybe Cruz slipping in ?
Maybe Cruz slipping in ?
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CarolinaBucco
this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
So we traded 2, 3 and 8.
Man, Archer had better be good. Real good.
Man, Archer had better be good. Real good.
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OrlandoMerced
this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
1. Mitch Keller, 21, SP, AA - Stable value
4. Cole Tucker, 21, SS, AA - Stock down
5. Colin Moran, 24, 3B, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status) Low ceiling
6. Ke'Bryan Hayes, 20, 3B, A+ - stock up
7. Kevin Newman, 24, SS, AAA (made it to MLB) - low celing
9. Bryan Reynolds, 22, OF - stock up
10. Jordan Luplow, 24, OF (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling
11. Max Moroff, 24, IF, MLB (exceeded rookie status) - irrelevant
12. Nick Kingham, 26, SP, AAA (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling, high floor, may carve out role as back of rotation/#6 guy
13. Kevin Kramer, 24, 2B, AA, (made it to MLB) - stock up
14. Luis Escobar, 21, SP - stock down
15. Kevin "Lolo" Sanchez, 18, OF - stock down
16. Will Craig, 23, 1B - stock down
17. Kyle Crick, 25, RP, MLB/AAA (exceeded rookie status) - stock up
18. Jason Martin, 22, OF - stock up
19. Oneil Cruz, 19, 3B/SS - stock way up
20. Clay Holmes, 24, SP, AAA (still eligible) - irrelevant
21. Mason Martin, 18, 1B - stock down
22. Edgar Santana, 26, RP, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status) - injured
23. Cal Mitchell, 19, OF - stock up
24. Stephen Jennings, 19, SP - stock down
25. Braeden Ogle, 20, SP - injured
26. Connor Uselton, 19, OF - stock down
27. Nick Burdi, 25, RR (still eligible) - question mark
28. Steven Alemais, 22, SS/2B - meh
29. Max Kranick, 20, SP - stock up
30. Dovydas Neverauskas, 25, RP (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling
31. Adrian Valerio, SS, 20 - meh
32. Logan Hill, 24, OF - irrelevant
34. Gage Hinsz, 21, SP - injured
35. Dario Agrazal, 22, SP - stable as non-prospect
36. Rodolfo Castro, 18, SS - low production, but young for his level
37. Eduardo Vera, 23, SP, A - meh
38. Bligh Madris, 22, OF, R - meh
39. Brandon Waddell, 23, SP, AA - meh
40. Jin-De Jhang, 24, C, AA - meh
41. Cody Bolton, 19, SP, R - stock up
3b/C Hunter Owen, 24, A+ - meh
P J.T. Brubaker, 23, AA - stock way up
3B Eric Wood, 25, AAA - irrelevant
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
OF Edinson Lantigua, 21, A- - meh
P Oddy Nunez, 21, A - meh
P Yeudy Garcia, 25, AA - irrelevant
Additions
Jared Oliva - top 20 prospect
Domingo Robles - top 20 prospect
4. Cole Tucker, 21, SS, AA - Stock down
5. Colin Moran, 24, 3B, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status) Low ceiling
6. Ke'Bryan Hayes, 20, 3B, A+ - stock up
7. Kevin Newman, 24, SS, AAA (made it to MLB) - low celing
9. Bryan Reynolds, 22, OF - stock up
10. Jordan Luplow, 24, OF (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling
11. Max Moroff, 24, IF, MLB (exceeded rookie status) - irrelevant
12. Nick Kingham, 26, SP, AAA (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling, high floor, may carve out role as back of rotation/#6 guy
13. Kevin Kramer, 24, 2B, AA, (made it to MLB) - stock up
14. Luis Escobar, 21, SP - stock down
15. Kevin "Lolo" Sanchez, 18, OF - stock down
16. Will Craig, 23, 1B - stock down
17. Kyle Crick, 25, RP, MLB/AAA (exceeded rookie status) - stock up
18. Jason Martin, 22, OF - stock up
19. Oneil Cruz, 19, 3B/SS - stock way up
20. Clay Holmes, 24, SP, AAA (still eligible) - irrelevant
21. Mason Martin, 18, 1B - stock down
22. Edgar Santana, 26, RP, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status) - injured
23. Cal Mitchell, 19, OF - stock up
24. Stephen Jennings, 19, SP - stock down
25. Braeden Ogle, 20, SP - injured
26. Connor Uselton, 19, OF - stock down
27. Nick Burdi, 25, RR (still eligible) - question mark
28. Steven Alemais, 22, SS/2B - meh
29. Max Kranick, 20, SP - stock up
30. Dovydas Neverauskas, 25, RP (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling
31. Adrian Valerio, SS, 20 - meh
32. Logan Hill, 24, OF - irrelevant
34. Gage Hinsz, 21, SP - injured
35. Dario Agrazal, 22, SP - stable as non-prospect
36. Rodolfo Castro, 18, SS - low production, but young for his level
37. Eduardo Vera, 23, SP, A - meh
38. Bligh Madris, 22, OF, R - meh
39. Brandon Waddell, 23, SP, AA - meh
40. Jin-De Jhang, 24, C, AA - meh
41. Cody Bolton, 19, SP, R - stock up
3b/C Hunter Owen, 24, A+ - meh
P J.T. Brubaker, 23, AA - stock way up
3B Eric Wood, 25, AAA - irrelevant
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
OF Edinson Lantigua, 21, A- - meh
P Oddy Nunez, 21, A - meh
P Yeudy Garcia, 25, AA - irrelevant
Additions
Jared Oliva - top 20 prospect
Domingo Robles - top 20 prospect
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UtahPirate
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this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
Looks like the Bucs overall ranking will take quite a hit next year with only 2 guys looking like Top 100 prospects -- Hayes and Keller. But this is the guy that makes you wonder about prospect lists.
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
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OrlandoMerced
this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
5A7B6E675F667D6E7B6A0F0 wrote: Looks like the Bucs overall ranking will take quite a hit next year with only 2 guys looking like Top 100 prospects -- Hayes and Keller. But this is the guy that makes you wonder about prospect lists.
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
Prospect lists are very much reactive, they basically just clump together the top draft picks and international signings that perform the best. They are very much designed to search for potential impact players, but not able to identify potential average to above average regulars. Guys like Reyes and Frazier that have pretty low ceilings are off the radar, but can be valuable assets.
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
Prospect lists are very much reactive, they basically just clump together the top draft picks and international signings that perform the best. They are very much designed to search for potential impact players, but not able to identify potential average to above average regulars. Guys like Reyes and Frazier that have pretty low ceilings are off the radar, but can be valuable assets.
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DemDog
this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
1F223C313E343F1D3522333534500 wrote: Looks like the Bucs overall ranking will take quite a hit next year with only 2 guys looking like Top 100 prospects -- Hayes and Keller. But this is the guy that makes you wonder about prospect lists.
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
Prospect lists are very much reactive, they basically just clump together the top draft picks and international signings that perform the best. They are very much designed to search for potential impact players, but not able to identify potential average to above average regulars. Guys like Reyes and Frazier that have pretty low ceilings are off the radar, but can be valuable assets.
Your reasoning is why I don't pay much attention to "national" prospect rankings. I do subscribe and read P2 everyday. P2 has a pretty good idea of just what the prospects for the Pirates can do including the avg to above avg players like Frazier can do. But in all cases it seems that most prospects no matter their ranking are just crapshoots, ie Luis Heredia and Stetson Allie.
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
Prospect lists are very much reactive, they basically just clump together the top draft picks and international signings that perform the best. They are very much designed to search for potential impact players, but not able to identify potential average to above average regulars. Guys like Reyes and Frazier that have pretty low ceilings are off the radar, but can be valuable assets.
Your reasoning is why I don't pay much attention to "national" prospect rankings. I do subscribe and read P2 everyday. P2 has a pretty good idea of just what the prospects for the Pirates can do including the avg to above avg players like Frazier can do. But in all cases it seems that most prospects no matter their ranking are just crapshoots, ie Luis Heredia and Stetson Allie.
this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
4A7769646B616A486077666061050 wrote: 1. Mitch Keller, 21, SP, AA - Stable value
4. Cole Tucker, 21, SS, AA - Stock down
5. Colin Moran, 24, 3B, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status) Low ceiling
6. Ke'Bryan Hayes, 20, 3B, A+ - stock up
7. Kevin Newman, 24, SS, AAA (made it to MLB) - low celing
9. Bryan Reynolds, 22, OF - stock up
10. Jordan Luplow, 24, OF (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling
11. Max Moroff, 24, IF, MLB (exceeded rookie status) - irrelevant
12. Nick Kingham, 26, SP, AAA (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling, high floor, may carve out role as back of rotation/#6 guy
13. Kevin Kramer, 24, 2B, AA, (made it to MLB) - stock up
14. Luis Escobar, 21, SP - stock down
15. Kevin "Lolo" Sanchez, 18, OF - stock down
16. Will Craig, 23, 1B - stock down
17. Kyle Crick, 25, RP, MLB/AAA (exceeded rookie status) - stock up
18. Jason Martin, 22, OF - stock up
19. Oneil Cruz, 19, 3B/SS - stock way up
20. Clay Holmes, 24, SP, AAA (still eligible) - irrelevant
21. Mason Martin, 18, 1B - stock down
22. Edgar Santana, 26, RP, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status) - injured
23. Cal Mitchell, 19, OF - stock up
24. Stephen Jennings, 19, SP - stock down
25. Braeden Ogle, 20, SP - injured
26. Connor Uselton, 19, OF - stock down
27. Nick Burdi, 25, RR (still eligible) - question mark
28. Steven Alemais, 22, SS/2B - meh
29. Max Kranick, 20, SP - stock up
30. Dovydas Neverauskas, 25, RP (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling
31. Adrian Valerio, SS, 20 - meh
32. Logan Hill, 24, OF - irrelevant
34. Gage Hinsz, 21, SP - injured
35. Dario Agrazal, 22, SP - stable as non-prospect
36. Rodolfo Castro, 18, SS - low production, but young for his level
37. Eduardo Vera, 23, SP, A - meh
38. Bligh Madris, 22, OF, R - meh
39. Brandon Waddell, 23, SP, AA - meh
40. Jin-De Jhang, 24, C, AA - meh
41. Cody Bolton, 19, SP, R - stock up
3b/C Hunter Owen, 24, A+ - meh
P J.T. Brubaker, 23, AA - stock way up
3B Eric Wood, 25, AAA - irrelevant
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
OF Edinson Lantigua, 21, A- - meh
P Oddy Nunez, 21, A - meh
P Yeudy Garcia, 25, AA - irrelevant
Additions
Jared Oliva - top 20 prospect
Domingo Robles - top 20 prospect
So ...
low ceiling - 5
stock down - 7
Irrelevant - 5
meh - 9
I think we can combined irrelevant and meh and say suck - 14, since they are essentially the same thing.
4. Cole Tucker, 21, SS, AA - Stock down
5. Colin Moran, 24, 3B, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status) Low ceiling
6. Ke'Bryan Hayes, 20, 3B, A+ - stock up
7. Kevin Newman, 24, SS, AAA (made it to MLB) - low celing
9. Bryan Reynolds, 22, OF - stock up
10. Jordan Luplow, 24, OF (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling
11. Max Moroff, 24, IF, MLB (exceeded rookie status) - irrelevant
12. Nick Kingham, 26, SP, AAA (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling, high floor, may carve out role as back of rotation/#6 guy
13. Kevin Kramer, 24, 2B, AA, (made it to MLB) - stock up
14. Luis Escobar, 21, SP - stock down
15. Kevin "Lolo" Sanchez, 18, OF - stock down
16. Will Craig, 23, 1B - stock down
17. Kyle Crick, 25, RP, MLB/AAA (exceeded rookie status) - stock up
18. Jason Martin, 22, OF - stock up
19. Oneil Cruz, 19, 3B/SS - stock way up
20. Clay Holmes, 24, SP, AAA (still eligible) - irrelevant
21. Mason Martin, 18, 1B - stock down
22. Edgar Santana, 26, RP, AAA/MLB (exceeded rookie status) - injured
23. Cal Mitchell, 19, OF - stock up
24. Stephen Jennings, 19, SP - stock down
25. Braeden Ogle, 20, SP - injured
26. Connor Uselton, 19, OF - stock down
27. Nick Burdi, 25, RR (still eligible) - question mark
28. Steven Alemais, 22, SS/2B - meh
29. Max Kranick, 20, SP - stock up
30. Dovydas Neverauskas, 25, RP (exceeded rookie status) - low ceiling
31. Adrian Valerio, SS, 20 - meh
32. Logan Hill, 24, OF - irrelevant
34. Gage Hinsz, 21, SP - injured
35. Dario Agrazal, 22, SP - stable as non-prospect
36. Rodolfo Castro, 18, SS - low production, but young for his level
37. Eduardo Vera, 23, SP, A - meh
38. Bligh Madris, 22, OF, R - meh
39. Brandon Waddell, 23, SP, AA - meh
40. Jin-De Jhang, 24, C, AA - meh
41. Cody Bolton, 19, SP, R - stock up
3b/C Hunter Owen, 24, A+ - meh
P J.T. Brubaker, 23, AA - stock way up
3B Eric Wood, 25, AAA - irrelevant
IF Pablo Reyes, 24, AA (still eligible) - stock up
OF Edinson Lantigua, 21, A- - meh
P Oddy Nunez, 21, A - meh
P Yeudy Garcia, 25, AA - irrelevant
Additions
Jared Oliva - top 20 prospect
Domingo Robles - top 20 prospect
So ...
low ceiling - 5
stock down - 7
Irrelevant - 5
meh - 9
I think we can combined irrelevant and meh and say suck - 14, since they are essentially the same thing.
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SammyKhalifa
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this was our top 40 prospects coming into the year
Why stock down on Will Craig though? Before this season the knock on him was that he wasn't hitting for power like they expected and "never will" according to "experts."