6234223639233338352210373D31393C7E33500 wrote: Once again, thank you Ben Cherington for not signing these well-below average players, as even Shed has rated them, and making the Pirates worse than they already are.
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Here are the top 11 excuses and alibis for not acquiring a player.
1. He is an aging veteran on the decline.
2. He is too injury prone.
3. Acquiring him would bring us no closer to a championship.
4. He would never sign to play in Pittsburgh.
5. He would be a clubhouse cancer.
6. Acquiring him would upset the team chemistry.
7. Signing him would lose financial flexibility for a 1 year player.
8.We already have players just as good as him.
9. We are not the Red Sox or Yankees and they would outbid us.
10.He would block this LMG or that LMG from development.
11.He can't do anything because of Covid.
That would be #8.
Let me amend #8 for you here in 2021: "We already have players just as bad as him."
I find it interesting that you want to sign guys who would take the club from being one that won 32 percent of its games a year ago to one that would win 36 percent of its games in 2021. I thought you wanted to win a World Series title. At your rate of improvement, neither of us will be on this side of the dirt when it happens. Some fan you are.
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GreenWeenie
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:'(752335212E34242F223507202A262E2B6924470 wrote: Once again, thank you Ben Cherington for not signing these well-below average players, as even Shed has rated them, and making the Pirates worse than they already are.
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Here are the top 11 excuses and alibis for not acquiring a player.
1. He is an aging veteran on the decline.
2. He is too injury prone.
3. Acquiring him would bring us no closer to a championship.
4. He would never sign to play in Pittsburgh.
5. He would be a clubhouse cancer.
6. Acquiring him would upset the team chemistry.
7. Signing him would lose financial flexibility for a 1 year player.
8.We already have players just as good as him.
9. We are not the Red Sox or Yankees and they would outbid us.
10.He would block this LMG or that LMG from development.
11.He can't do anything because of Covid.
That would be #8.
Let me amend #8 for you here in 2021: "We already have players just as bad as him."
I find it interesting that you want to sign guys who would take the club from being one that won 32 percent of its games a year ago to one that would win 36 percent of its games in 2021. I thought you wanted to win a World Series title. At your rate of improvement, neither of us will be on this side of the dirt when it happens. Some fan you are.
If we follow the status quo, we will never win a WS.
So, I'd take gradual improvement over no improvement.
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Here are the top 11 excuses and alibis for not acquiring a player.
1. He is an aging veteran on the decline.
2. He is too injury prone.
3. Acquiring him would bring us no closer to a championship.
4. He would never sign to play in Pittsburgh.
5. He would be a clubhouse cancer.
6. Acquiring him would upset the team chemistry.
7. Signing him would lose financial flexibility for a 1 year player.
8.We already have players just as good as him.
9. We are not the Red Sox or Yankees and they would outbid us.
10.He would block this LMG or that LMG from development.
11.He can't do anything because of Covid.
That would be #8.
Let me amend #8 for you here in 2021: "We already have players just as bad as him."
I find it interesting that you want to sign guys who would take the club from being one that won 32 percent of its games a year ago to one that would win 36 percent of its games in 2021. I thought you wanted to win a World Series title. At your rate of improvement, neither of us will be on this side of the dirt when it happens. Some fan you are.
If we follow the status quo, we will never win a WS.
So, I'd take gradual improvement over no improvement.
Off Season Thread
327168736075647232010 wrote: Reds get reliever Cionel Perez from the Astros for prospect catcher Luke Berryhill.
Not sure if Perez is a major leaguer or minor leaguer?
Not sure if Perez is a major leaguer or minor leaguer?
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GreenWeenie
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4A515C5D545857390 wrote: Reds get reliever Cionel Perez from the Astros for prospect catcher Luke Berryhill.
Not sure if Perez is a major leaguer or minor leaguer?
Three years of MLB experience.
Not sure if Perez is a major leaguer or minor leaguer?
Three years of MLB experience.
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WildwoodDave2
Off Season Thread
110A07060F030C620 wrote: It's Jurickson Profar to the Padres for a 2 and Austine Romine to the Cubs for a 1. What say you WWD and GW?
The current standings are:
Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)
--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18
Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16
Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).
--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16
Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................
--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12
Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5
Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5
Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9
White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9
Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)......9
Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5
Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8
Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5)................................................7.5
Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7
Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5
Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5
Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5
Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5
Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2)....................................6
Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2)..............................5
Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4
Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3
Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5
Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5)..............................2.5
Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2
Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5
Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5
Meantime, Cherington just stands there like a freight train passing a bum.
Profar 2
Romine .5
The current standings are:
Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)
--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18
Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16
Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).
--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16
Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................
--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12
Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5
Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5
Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9
White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9
Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)......9
Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5
Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8
Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5)................................................7.5
Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7
Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5
Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5
Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5
Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5
Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2)....................................6
Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2)..............................5
Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4
Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3
Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5
Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5)..............................2.5
Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2
Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5
Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5
Meantime, Cherington just stands there like a freight train passing a bum.
Profar 2
Romine .5
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WildwoodDave2
Off Season Thread
44656D446F67000 wrote: The Nationals get Ryan Zimmerman for a 1 and the Reds get Hector Perez for a 1. What say you GW and WWD?
The current standings are:
Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)
--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18
Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16
Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).
--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16
Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................
--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12
Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5
Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)
--Zimmerman(1).........................................................10
Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5
Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9
White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9
Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5
Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8
Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5)................................................7.5
Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7
Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5
Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5
Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5
Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5
Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2)....................................6
Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2)..............................5
Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4
Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5),Perez(1).................3.5
Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3
Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5
Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2
Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5
Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5
The Pirats have hired Christian Marrero as their Assistant hitting coach. Good news! Now Cherington can focus all of his energies to finding an assistant to the assistant hitting coach.
I nominate Dwight Schrute.
I second the nomination! Then if shed looked at the PG article there seems to be some method to BC's move. I wish that this thread had some method to it's madness other than playing armchair GM with monopoly money!
It's been so long since I played Monopoly. What is the cheapest property? Was it Baltic?.. Bob will know!!
The current standings are:
Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)
--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18
Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16
Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).
--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16
Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................
--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12
Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5
Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)
--Zimmerman(1).........................................................10
Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5
Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9
White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9
Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5
Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8
Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5)................................................7.5
Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7
Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5
Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5
Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5
Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5
Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2)....................................6
Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2)..............................5
Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4
Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5),Perez(1).................3.5
Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3
Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5
Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2
Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5
Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5
The Pirats have hired Christian Marrero as their Assistant hitting coach. Good news! Now Cherington can focus all of his energies to finding an assistant to the assistant hitting coach.
I nominate Dwight Schrute.
I second the nomination! Then if shed looked at the PG article there seems to be some method to BC's move. I wish that this thread had some method to it's madness other than playing armchair GM with monopoly money!
It's been so long since I played Monopoly. What is the cheapest property? Was it Baltic?.. Bob will know!!
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GreenWeenie
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Off Season Thread
It's Jurickson Profar to the Padres for a 2 and Austine Romine to the Cubs for a 1.
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Agree.
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Agree.
Off Season Thread
It's Garrett Richards tot eh Red Sox for a 2.5. What say you WWD and GW?
The current standings are:
Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)
--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18
Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16
Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).
--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16
Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................
--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12
Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5
Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)
--Zimmerman(1).........................................................10
Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5
Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9
White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9
Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5
Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Richards(2.5).............8.5
Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8
Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Hernandez(2)................8
Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5)................................................7.5
Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7
Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2),Hernandez(2)..........7
Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5
Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5
Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5
Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5
Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4
Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5),Perez(1).................3.5
Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3
Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5
Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2
Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5
Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5
Car 54 where are you?
The current standings are:
Mets - Stroman(3.5),Williams(1),May(2.5),McCann(2.5),Lindor(4.5)
--Carrascvo(3),Luchesi(1).............................................18
Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1),Chatwood(2),Yates(3),Springer(5).......16
Padres - O'Grady(.5),Snell(4.5),Kim(1).,Darvish(4.5),Caratini(.5).
--Kim(1.5),Musgrive(2,5),Profar(2)........ 16
Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(2),Wisler(2),Desclafini(2.5).................
--Brebbia(1),Casale(2),Wood(1.5)..................................12
Angels-Iglesias(2).Iglesias(3),Claidio(2),Suzuki(1),Quintana(2.5)10.5
Nationals - Harrison(1),Clay(1),Bell(2),Schwarber(3),Lester(2)
--Zimmerman(1).........................................................10
Asros - Gurriel(3),Baez(2.5),Brantley(3),Castro(1)......................9.5
Phillies - Neris(3),Alvarado(2.5.)Coonrod(0.5),Bradley(3)..............9
White Sox - Lynn(4),Eaton(2.5),Hendricks(2.5)............................9
Rays - Zunino(2),Wacha(2),Mejia(1),Davies(3.5)........................8.5
Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Richards(2.5).............8.5
Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2),Smyly(3),Morton(2.5)............... 8
Red Sox Renfroe(2),Andriese(2),Perez(2),Hernandez(2)................8
Yankees - Britton(3),Kuber(4.5)................................................7.5
Royals - Minor(2.5),Taylor(1),Holland(3.5)...................................7
Mariners - Graveman(1),Flexen(2),Montero(2),Hernandez(2)..........7
Dodgers Knebel(1),Kahnle(2.5),Treinen(3)................................6.5
Rangers -,Gotto(.5),Dunning(1.5),Lowe(1),Dahl(3),Arihara(.5).....6.5
Indians - Perez(2.5),Gimenez(2),Rosario(1.5).............................6.5
Marlins - Marte(3),Detwiler(1.5),Bass(2)...................................6.5
Cubs - Rizzo(3),Romine(1).........................................................4
Reds - Hoffman-(.5),Ramirez(1.5),Garcia(.5),Perez(1).................3.5
Tigers - Urena(1),Grossman(2)...................................................3
Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5
Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2
Brewers - Maile(.5),Robertson(1)..............................................1.5
Rockies - Stephenson(.5).........................................................0.5
Car 54 where are you?
Off Season Thread
162334343F0634343F3834510 wrote: Reds get reliever Cionel Perez from the Astros for prospect catcher Luke Berryhill.
Not sure if Perez is a major leaguer or minor leaguer?
Three years of MLB experience.
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Yeah, but they said " He should have a chance to compete for a spot in the Reds' Opening Day bullpen in 2021."
Not sure if Perez is a major leaguer or minor leaguer?
Three years of MLB experience.
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Yeah, but they said " He should have a chance to compete for a spot in the Reds' Opening Day bullpen in 2021."
Off Season Thread
GM Ben Cherington says Pirates haven’t made ‘a single move … for financial consideration’
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