Off Season Thread

[BellevueBuc]

537E73626574632320110 wrote: Per Bob Biertempfl in the Athletic:



One of Baker’s goals is to make the development process more player-centric — a phrase Cherington has frequently uttered in the year since he was hired.



“It means that the player has a stake in his developmental plan and program,” Baker said. “It’s about providing them with the stimulus they need to make adaptations and improve. We’re going to be on the cutting edge of science to make sure that we really are truly data-driven. Being data-driven doesn’t just mean knowing all of the analytics acronyms. It also means following research from biomechanics and psychology.”



This hints that BC just might have a plan!
Not sure how I feel about this. For far too long the Pirate brain trust has acted like they think they are the smartest ones in the room. They have offered things like analytics to compensate for their refusal to spend to obtain or keep talent. And we've seen how that worked out. We've seen the one size fits all pitching philosophy that prevented Cole, Glasnow and Morton from reaching their potential until they went elsewhere. We've seen the search for players from India, Lithiania, South Africa and Korea to avoid bidding wars for better players. 



BC won't have any more money to spend than his predecessors. So, like them, his only chance at meaningful improvement will be to succeed where the others failed at player evaluation and development. And I hope that whatever he has in mind is successful. But when I hear "player-centric" development and "cutting edge of science," data driven" and "biomechanics and psychology" it sounds like BC is the new smartest guy in the room. Sounds a lot like NH only with more words.   



But I'll wait and see. Maybe this time it will be different. If nothing else it suggests the end of the one size fits all philosophy. But until I see results, all it looks like is a fancier way of saying they'll use science to try to make less talented players more competitive with the other teams' more talented players.




The NH front office was going what all teams were doing. They never went the next step or did anything cutting edge. DK and others gave them credit for doing the bare minimum, and then were shocked when things fell apart.



They are not taking less talented players and trying to make them compete with more talented players. That is not at all what they are saying.

[GreenWeenie]

Was Navy Seal Training cutting edge?  These guys do everything EXCEPT get good baseball players and keeping them.



Hire all the scouts and department heads you want.  The competitors go after talent and get it.

[WildwoodDave]

102E2B233028282303263122470 wrote:

DING DING DING.  Some business for the Blue Ribbon Panel.  The  Giants sign FA Jason Vosler  for a 1.  What say you Greenweenie and Wildwood Dave?



The current standings are:



nothing to get excited about here give him a .5

Astros - Gurriel(3).....................................................................3

Marlins - Marte(3)......................................................................3

Yankees - Britton(3)...................................................................3

Cubs - Rizzo(3).......................................................................3

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1)..........................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Indians - Perez(2.5)...................................................................2

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Nationals - Harrison(1)...............................................................1

Mariners - Graveman(1).............................................................1

Giants - Vosler(1)......................................................................1

Braves - Almonte (.5)..............................................................0.5



Cherington - Car 54 where  are you?



Vosler .5

[BellevueBuc]

043126262D1426262D2A26430 wrote: Was Navy Seal Training cutting edge?  These guys do everything EXCEPT get good baseball players and keeping them. 



Hire all the scouts and department heads you want.  The competitors go after talent and get it.








How do you think they get good talent?



There is nothing wrong with military training, but that is very obviously not anything close to what I was referring to.



Your mocking tone is not appreciated or necessary.

[GreenWeenie]

I don't know how they get good talent. Judging by the results of the past few seasons, they haven't.



All they need to do is be willing to pay for some. They'll get more than what they have today.

[shedman]

More business for the blue ribbon panel as the Braves sign Josh Tomlin for a 2. What say you Greenweenie and Wildwood Dave?

DING DING DING.



The current standings are:





Astros - Gurriel(3).....................................................................3

Marlins - Marte(3)......................................................................3

Yankees - Britton(3)...................................................................3

Cubs - Rizzo(3).......................................................................3

Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1)..........................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2)...............................................2.5

Indians - Perez(2.5)...................................................................2

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Nationals - Harrison(1)...............................................................1

Mariners - Graveman(1).............................................................1

Giants - Vosler(1)......................................................................1



We have a better chance of finding signs of life on Mars than we do from Cherington's office!

[GreenWeenie]

1.5 for Tomlin.



I think Cherington's boarded it up and packed it in.

[Bobster21]

132631313A0331313A3D31540 wrote: 1.5 for Tomlin.



I think Cherington's boarded it up and packed it in.
He's playing hide & seek. So far he's winning.

[shedman]

Things are heating up for the blue ribbon panel as the Giants get Kevion Gausman for a 3. What say you Greenweenie and Wildwood Dave?

DING DING DING.



The current standings are:





Giants - Vosler(1),Gausman(3)...................................................4

Astros - Gurriel(3).....................................................................3



Marlins - Marte(3)......................................................................3

Yankees - Britton(3)...................................................................3

Cubs - Rizzo(3).......................................................................3



Blue Jays- Dolis(2),Ray(1)..........................................................3

Orioles - Iglesias(2.5)..............................................................2.5

Braves - Almonte (.5),Tomlin(2)...............................................2.5

Indians - Perez(2.5)...................................................................2

Diamondbacks - Kelly(2)............................................................2

Nationals - Harrison(1)...............................................................1

Mariners - Graveman(1).............................................................1





Well at least we don't have to worry about Cherington setting off any motion detectors!

[GreenWeenie]

They don't need motion detectors. Don't have much worth taking.



Anyway, 1.5 for Gausman.