How does the Pirate farm system compare to other team's in baseball? It seems like we have to consistently have a system that is in the top 5 or 6 in baseball in order to provide enough talent for the team to win.
Frankly, I don't know if it is possible to be good enough at bringing in young talent to have a consistently strong, top system.
Found this info on Fangraphs that has Bucs currently ranked 9th
https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the ... 1&type=100
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OrlandoMerced
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For a system that lacks a top 10 prospect, that's a pretty good ranking. But, that's also higher than most outlets have them.
Looking at how they are ranking the Pirates, they are high on Cruz, Swaggerty and Kramer. Cruz is looking completely overmatched in the AFL, hopefully that isn't an indication of what will happen to him in the upper levels. Kramer is a nonprospect to me, so that is one 45 grade that will come off the list, and Swaggerty will fall off the radar with a poor 2020.
But, looking down the list, Priester, Thomas, Bae, Bolton and Martin are all guys that will be top 100 prospects if they have strong 2020 seasons.
Looking at how they are ranking the Pirates, they are high on Cruz, Swaggerty and Kramer. Cruz is looking completely overmatched in the AFL, hopefully that isn't an indication of what will happen to him in the upper levels. Kramer is a nonprospect to me, so that is one 45 grade that will come off the list, and Swaggerty will fall off the radar with a poor 2020.
But, looking down the list, Priester, Thomas, Bae, Bolton and Martin are all guys that will be top 100 prospects if they have strong 2020 seasons.
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The Pirates seem to have a number of good prospects but mostly at the lower levels. The mid-range seems lacking and the upper level guys either are at the majors now (and are only prospects because of the technical definition of prospects) or are so close as to hardly qualify any longer. They could use some players with potential in the mid-range.
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OrlandoMerced
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They unfortunately don't have anything in terms of pitchers at the upper levels that can help aside from Keller. They do have a decent crop of upper level position player depth that can serve in a pinch. I'm thinking guys like Craig, Kramer and Martin could be serviceable as short term injury replacements, but do not have everyday starter upside.
They have a nice crop of guys at AA or lower that could emerge as notable prospects. That includes guys like Thomas, Martin, Castro, Sanchez and Bolton. And they also have another large group of prospects that will be in the rookie leagues next year that could easily move in to that tier in 2021.
They have a nice crop of guys at AA or lower that could emerge as notable prospects. That includes guys like Thomas, Martin, Castro, Sanchez and Bolton. And they also have another large group of prospects that will be in the rookie leagues next year that could easily move in to that tier in 2021.
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ArnoldRothstein
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I think that these are all of the position players signed by NH who have generated positive bWAR for the big league club:
Frazier 7.8
Mercer 7.7
Polanco 5.8
Alvarez 5.6
Bell 5.1
Newman 2.2
Stallings 1.7
Moroff 0.7
Ngoepe 0.1
T. Sanchez 0.1
That's 12 seasons worth.
Frazier 7.8
Mercer 7.7
Polanco 5.8
Alvarez 5.6
Bell 5.1
Newman 2.2
Stallings 1.7
Moroff 0.7
Ngoepe 0.1
T. Sanchez 0.1
That's 12 seasons worth.
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Bobster21
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54677B7A7971477A617D6661707C7B150 wrote: I think that these are all of the position players signed by NH who have generated positive bWAR for the big league club:
Frazier 7.8
Mercer 7.7
Polanco 5.8
Alvarez 5.6
Bell 5.1
Newman 2.2
Stallings 1.7
Moroff 0.7
Ngoepe 0.1
T. Sanchez 0.1
That's 12 seasons worth.
Good grief! Ngoepe and Tony Sanchez on the list? Doesn't say much for anyone not on the list.
Frazier 7.8
Mercer 7.7
Polanco 5.8
Alvarez 5.6
Bell 5.1
Newman 2.2
Stallings 1.7
Moroff 0.7
Ngoepe 0.1
T. Sanchez 0.1
That's 12 seasons worth.
Good grief! Ngoepe and Tony Sanchez on the list? Doesn't say much for anyone not on the list.
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4C616C7D7A6B7C3C3F0E0 wrote: I think that these are all of the position players signed by NH who have generated positive bWAR for the big league club:
Frazier 7.8
Mercer 7.7
Polanco 5.8
Alvarez 5.6
Bell 5.1
Newman 2.2
Stallings 1.7
Moroff 0.7
Ngoepe 0.1
T. Sanchez 0.1
That's 12 seasons worth.
Good grief! Ngoepe and Tony Sanchez on the list? Doesn't say much for anyone not on the list.
was Luplow close to making the list?
I guess Austin Meadows had negative WAR in his time with Bucs.
Does this show that NH should get another extension?
Frazier 7.8
Mercer 7.7
Polanco 5.8
Alvarez 5.6
Bell 5.1
Newman 2.2
Stallings 1.7
Moroff 0.7
Ngoepe 0.1
T. Sanchez 0.1
That's 12 seasons worth.
Good grief! Ngoepe and Tony Sanchez on the list? Doesn't say much for anyone not on the list.
was Luplow close to making the list?
I guess Austin Meadows had negative WAR in his time with Bucs.
Does this show that NH should get another extension?
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Bobster21
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634544534555260 wrote: I think that these are all of the position players signed by NH who have generated positive bWAR for the big league club:
Frazier 7.8
Mercer 7.7
Polanco 5.8
Alvarez 5.6
Bell 5.1
Newman 2.2
Stallings 1.7
Moroff 0.7
Ngoepe 0.1
T. Sanchez 0.1
That's 12 seasons worth.
Good grief! Ngoepe and Tony Sanchez on the list? Doesn't say much for anyone not on the list.
was Luplow close to making the list?
I guess Austin Meadows had negative WAR in his time with Bucs.
Does this show that NH should get another extension?
Meadows was -0.1. If ever there was a case to show how messed up WAR is, this is it. The WAR formula tells us that Ngoepe was of more value than Meadows. Meadows was a very productive hitter and adequate OFer for the Pirates. Ngoepe was a liability with the bat but played errorless in his 27 games in the field. There's no way defensive WAR justifies that Ngoepe was so freaking valuable in the field that it made up for his poor hitting and Meadows was so incredibly horrendous in the field that it more than negated his offense. WAR tries to quantify what we see with our eyes but gets it wrong.
Frazier 7.8
Mercer 7.7
Polanco 5.8
Alvarez 5.6
Bell 5.1
Newman 2.2
Stallings 1.7
Moroff 0.7
Ngoepe 0.1
T. Sanchez 0.1
That's 12 seasons worth.
Good grief! Ngoepe and Tony Sanchez on the list? Doesn't say much for anyone not on the list.
was Luplow close to making the list?
I guess Austin Meadows had negative WAR in his time with Bucs.
Does this show that NH should get another extension?
Meadows was -0.1. If ever there was a case to show how messed up WAR is, this is it. The WAR formula tells us that Ngoepe was of more value than Meadows. Meadows was a very productive hitter and adequate OFer for the Pirates. Ngoepe was a liability with the bat but played errorless in his 27 games in the field. There's no way defensive WAR justifies that Ngoepe was so freaking valuable in the field that it made up for his poor hitting and Meadows was so incredibly horrendous in the field that it more than negated his offense. WAR tries to quantify what we see with our eyes but gets it wrong.
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This is more of an indictment why the Pirates need to tear everything down and start over. No impact prospects. You don’t win pennants from depth. You win pennants with stars. Who among the Pirates crop of minor leaguers projects as a star? Answer...no one. Not Tucker, not Craig, not Hayes, not Martin. Newman and Reynolds are good players, but not potential stars that can put you on their back and carry you for a season ala 2013-2015 Andrew McCutchen.
Keller might be ok, but he isn’t an ace. MAYBE a solid #2. Same as Taillon. They need to tear it down. Try to find some potential stars that are in Low A and below. If it means trading Marte for them, fine. Ditto Bell. Ditto everyone on this team. The Pirates MiLB system is textbook for a team in a drive-for-75 mentality.
Keller might be ok, but he isn’t an ace. MAYBE a solid #2. Same as Taillon. They need to tear it down. Try to find some potential stars that are in Low A and below. If it means trading Marte for them, fine. Ditto Bell. Ditto everyone on this team. The Pirates MiLB system is textbook for a team in a drive-for-75 mentality.
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DemDog
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545C5F687E5B7C731D0 wrote: This is more of an indictment why the Pirates need to tear everything down and start over. No impact prospects. You don’t win pennants from depth. You win pennants with stars. Who among the Pirates crop of minor leaguers projects as a star? Answer...no one. Not Tucker, not Craig, not Hayes, not Martin. Newman and Reynolds are good players, but not potential stars that can put you on their back and carry you for a season ala 2013-2015 Andrew McCutchen.
Keller might be ok, but he isn’t an ace. MAYBE a solid #2. Same as Taillon. They need to tear it down. Try to find some potential stars that are in Low A and below. If it means trading Marte for them, fine. Ditto Bell. Ditto everyone on this team. The Pirates MiLB system is textbook for a team in a drive-for-75 mentality.
Your suggestion is well and good but they must begin doing that by changing the leadership in the scouting dept and then changing leadership and the approach to developing players in the development department. And to do that means TBMTIB has to be shown the door and Nutting needs to loosen the purse strings. The chance of that happening is nil!
Keller might be ok, but he isn’t an ace. MAYBE a solid #2. Same as Taillon. They need to tear it down. Try to find some potential stars that are in Low A and below. If it means trading Marte for them, fine. Ditto Bell. Ditto everyone on this team. The Pirates MiLB system is textbook for a team in a drive-for-75 mentality.
Your suggestion is well and good but they must begin doing that by changing the leadership in the scouting dept and then changing leadership and the approach to developing players in the development department. And to do that means TBMTIB has to be shown the door and Nutting needs to loosen the purse strings. The chance of that happening is nil!