Trades made by Pirates in December...

SammyKhalifa · Post by **SammyKhalifa** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:51 pm

0B2D2C3B2D3D4E0 wrote: December 11, 1975

Bucs deal Willie Randolph, Ken Brett and Dock Ellis for Doc Medich.

The team's efforts to trade for a big ace failed again.
That might be one of the worst Pirate trades ever.

BucsFaninGA · Post by **BucsFaninGA** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:41 pm

Another of my favorite trades was Jan 30th, 1959... Pirates sent

Pitcher-Whammy Douglas, OF-3B Jim Pendleton, Of Johnny Powers and 3b,1B, Of Frank "before the The Big Hurt" Frank Thomas of the ChiSox... to the Cincinnati Redlegs for Catcher-Smokey Burgess, Pitcher-Harvey Haddix and 3B-Don "The Tiger" Hoak... My Grandpa said this trade won the 1960 World Series!

Beatem Bucs

DemDog · Post by **DemDog** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:49 pm

7146504075525D5A5D7472330 wrote: Another of my favorite trades was Jan 30th, 1959... Pirates sent

Pitcher-Whammy Douglas, OF-3B Jim Pendleton, Of Johnny Powers and 3b,1B, Of Frank "before the The Big Hurt" Frank Thomas of the ChiSox... to the Cincinnati Redlegs for Catcher-Smokey Burgess, Pitcher-Harvey Haddix and 3B-Don "The Tiger" Hoak... My Grandpa said this trade won the 1960 World Series!

Beatem Bucs

Well if your Grandpa was alive and well at that time so was I so maybe I can be your OBN Grandpa! I was only 11 at the time of the deal! ;D ;D So you and only you have my permission to refer to me as whatever you called your Grandpa when addressing me in the forum!

And your Grandpa was absolutely correct in his statement.

iwatch · Post by **iwatch** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:50 pm

I was not alive for the '60 series but once was a rabid Pirates fan so I devoured anything written about the Bucs. Mentioning that trade reminds me of a Don Hoak story I once read. YOu know how we were all taught to return to our base and tag it after a foul? Well, the story suggested that this came about because of Hoak. He was running the bases one day and was on second. The batter lined a foul and Hoak took off. Upon hearing it was foul, he stopped about 5 feet short of third. Ump threw a new ball into play, and they all look at Hoak. Ump says for him to get back to second and Hoak replies "Nah, this is my lead." The umpires forced him back but no rule really made that necessary so it was added that you had to return to the vicinity of your occupied base. Don't know if it's a true story but it might have captured husband style of play. Ever hear that grandpa....I mean Possum?

DemDog · Post by **DemDog** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:59 pm

7E607663747F170 wrote: I was not alive for the '60 series but once was a rabid Pirates fan so I devoured anything written about the Bucs. Mentioning that trade reminds me of a Don Hoak story I once read. YOu know how we were all taught to return to our base and tag it after a foul? Well, the story suggested that this came about because of Hoak. He was running the bases one day and was on second. The batter lined a foul and Hoak took off. Upon hearing it was foul, he stopped about 5 feet short of third. Ump threw a new ball into play, and they all look at Hoak. Ump says for him to get back to second and Hoak replies "Nah, this is my lead." The umpires forced him back but no rule really made that necessary so it was added that you had to return to the vicinity of your occupied base. Don't know if it's a true story but it might have captured husband style of play. Ever hear that grandpa...I mean Possum?

'Tis true young man. And Bobster the absolute expert on the '60 team will back me up.

iwatch · Post by **iwatch** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:28 pm

I'm not really a young man. You could never be my grandpa....only an older brother. I started to follow the Pirates in the summer of '71 as an 8-year old. All I knew was Willie Stargell but a bunch of homers. Milk Duds had pictures of baseball stars on the back of their. Ices that summer. The featured Pirates was some guy named Roberto Clemente. Who? I thought. Never heard of the guy. Where's Stargell? By the fall of 1971 I understood why Clemente was featured. From that World Series on I studied box scores and watched any game I could get on channel 2. KDKA. There weren't many.

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:36 pm

4F6E664F646C0B0 wrote: I was not alive for the '60 series but once was a rabid Pirates fan so I devoured anything written about the Bucs. Mentioning that trade reminds me of a Don Hoak story I once read. YOu know how we were all taught to return to our base and tag it after a foul? Well, the story suggested that this came about because of Hoak. He was running the bases one day and was on second. The batter lined a foul and Hoak took off. Upon hearing it was foul, he stopped about 5 feet short of third. Ump threw a new ball into play, and they all look at Hoak. Ump says for him to get back to second and Hoak replies "Nah, this is my lead." The umpires forced him back but no rule really made that necessary so it was added that you had to return to the vicinity of your occupied base. Don't know if it's a true story but it might have captured husband style of play. Ever hear that grandpa...I mean Possum?

'Tis true young man. And Bobster the absolute expert on the '60 team will back me up.

As far as I know, that's a true story. Which is why a rule was instituted to ensure play does not begin after a foul ball until the last held base was tagged.

mouse · Post by **mouse** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:25 pm

I heard that story as well. I think Bob Prince mentioned it and always understood it to be a true story. I think Prince said the umpires invoked something called the travesty rule which allows them to direct play to avoid any situation that would make a travesty of the game. I understood (or am recalling) it to be between third and home, though. Would be interesting to know if it's a true story.

DemDog · Post by **DemDog** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:41 pm

5D5F454355300 wrote: I heard that story as well. I think Bob Prince mentioned it and always understood it to be a true story. I think Prince said the umpires invoked something called the travesty rule which allows them to direct play to avoid any situation that would make a travesty of the game. I understood (or am recalling) it to be between third and home, though. Would be interesting to know if it's a true story.

It was between 2nd and 3rd.

Chime in Bobster, what say ye?

Bobster21 · Post by **Bobster21** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:46 pm

75545C755E56310 wrote: I heard that story as well. I think Bob Prince mentioned it and always understood it to be a true story. I think Prince said the umpires invoked something called the travesty rule which allows them to direct play to avoid any situation that would make a travesty of the game. I understood (or am recalling) it to be between third and home, though. Would be interesting to know if it's a true story.

It was between 2nd and 3rd.

Chime in Bobster, what say ye?

I don't really know, Possum. But he may have tried it more than once and at different bases.