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Question: Who is the Pirates' #25 prospect in 2012?  (Voting closed: December 22, 2011, 07:57:35 AM)
Y. Barrios (20) SS/2B, SS/A - 1 (0.9%)
J. Burnette (19) RHP, SS - 0 (0%)
O. Castro (20) LHP, A/A+ - 0 (0%)
M. Curry (23) 1B, AA - 25 (21.9%)
W. Freeman (22) OF, A - 5 (4.4%)
Z. Fuesser (21) LHP, A+ - 0 (0%)
W. Garcia (19) OF, SS/A - 1 (0.9%)
T. Glasnow (18) RHP, SS - 0 (0%)
E. Gonzalez (22) 3B/2B, AA - 1 (0.9%)
R. Hafner (20) RHP, A - 0 (0%)
M. Hague (26) 1B, AAA/MLB - 29 (25.4%)
A. Hanson (19) 2B, SS/A - 3 (2.6%)
C. Holmes (19) RHP, SS - 14 (12.3%)
B. Holt (24) 2B, AA/AAA - 6 (5.3%)
A. Lambo (23) OF, AAA - 11 (9.6%)
C. Lopez (21) RHP, R/SS - 0 (0%)
G. Ngoepe (21) SS/2B, A/A+ - 4 (3.5%)
C. Paulino (22) C, A+/AA - 0 (0%)
A. Pribanic (25) RHP, AA/AAA - 0 (0%)
J. Rodriguez (20) LHP, SS/A - 0 (0%)
M. Rojas (22) OF, A+ - 14 (12.3%)
A. Santos (24) OF, AA - 0 (0%)
T. Waldron (23) RHP, A+/AA - 0 (0%)
D. Welker (26) RHP, AA - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 114

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Dale Berras Stash
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« on: December 20, 2011, 07:57:35 AM »

Apparently the Keebler factory shut down in order to ensure enough votes would be our latest addition...

2012 OBN Top 30 Prospects
1.  G. Cole (21) RHP, A+/AA (78.8%)
2.  J. Taillon (20) RHP, A+ (86.8%)
3.  S. Marte (23) OF, AAA (43.1%)
4.  L. Heredia (17) RHP, SS (43.4%)
5.  J. Bell (19) OF, A (59.2%)
6.  R. Grossman (22) OF, AA (82.4%)
7.  S. Allie (21) RHP, A (37.2%)
8.  T. Sanchez (24) C, AA/AAA (36.7%)
9.  K. McPherson (24) RHP, AAA (34.7%) * tiebreaker
10.  C. Cain (21) LHP, A+ (44.6%)
11.  N. Kingham (20) RHP, A (23%)
12.  J. Locke (24) LHP, AAA/MLB (26.6%)
13.  J. Wilson (24) LHP, AAA (33.3%)
14.  A. Dickerson (21) 1B, A+ (41.6%)
15.  Z. Von Rosenberg (21) RHP, A/A+ (35.9%)
16.  R. Owens (24) LHP, AAA (45.9%)
17.  J. Cunningham (22) 2B, AA (18%) * tiebreaker
18.  G. Hernandez (24) OF, AAA (24.1%)
19.  J. Mercer (25) SS, AAA (30.4%)
20.  J. Osuna (19) 1B/OF, SS/A (23.1%)
21.  B. Morris (25) RHP, AAA (29.5%)
22.  Z. Dodson (21) LHP, A+ (21%)
23.  Y. Navarro (24) 3B/SS/2B, AAA/MLB (29.6%)
24.  R. Cabrera (22) C, A+/AA (21.1%)


Aaron Pribanic has been added to the poll.  Ryan Beckman, Phil Irwin, and Casey Sadler are in the mix.

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 09:29:31 AM »

My 11th vote for Holt, now challenging the 12 straight I cast for Andrew Walker back in 2009. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 09:49:03 AM »

I went Curry here knowing fully that he might completely flame out this year if he actually  is overmatched by AA pitching. Of course, he could also fly up this list if he figures it out. Looking at Lambo and Holt, I think I'm beginning to like Holt slightly more, but I'll have to revisit them next round.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 10:03:58 AM »

I've been voting for the Power/Speed potential that Rojas brings to the the table for the last several polls.  It gets really close in this 20-30 area, which means we do have good depth.  We have a lot of hitters in this area that could become major league regulars with a step forward in their development. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 11:42:58 AM »

I'm not the biggest Hague fan, but he's got to be here, right? Do people really think Curry is a better 1B prospect? I need to see more than a sub-.700 OPS at AA before I'm viewing Curry as a better prospect. Granted, it was a big jump from low-A to there but I still expected more from him. For all his limitations, I feel a lot more confident that Hague will be a major leaguer compared to Curry, at this point. I think we're setting Hague up to be this year's Walker/Presley.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 12:15:03 PM »

I'm not the biggest Hague fan, but he's got to be here, right? Do people really think Curry is a better 1B prospect? I need to see more than a sub-.700 OPS at AA before I'm viewing Curry as a better prospect. Granted, it was a big jump from low-A to there but I still expected more from him. For all his limitations, I feel a lot more confident that Hague will be a major leaguer compared to Curry, at this point. I think we're setting Hague up to be this year's Walker/Presley.

Agree on Curry.  As a college senior, he should dominate A ball.  His time in AA was largely terrible, after a hot start. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 12:57:41 PM »

I don't understand why Lambo is getting any votes here. He wasn't protected for the rule 5, while the likes of Hague and Welker were. At the very least he should have no chance at ranking ahead of those two because the pirates find them more valuable than cheech.

Further, worse than being left unprotected, nobody selected him. Lambo has no place in the top 30.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2011, 01:56:07 PM »

I'm not the biggest Hague fan, but he's got to be here, right? Do people really think Curry is a better 1B prospect? I need to see more than a sub-.700 OPS at AA before I'm viewing Curry as a better prospect. Granted, it was a big jump from low-A to there but I still expected more from him. For all his limitations, I feel a lot more confident that Hague will be a major leaguer compared to Curry, at this point. I think we're setting Hague up to be this year's Walker/Presley.

Agree on Curry.  As a college senior, he should dominate A ball.  His time in AA was largely terrible, after a hot start. 

I think upside is the thing that separates Curry and Hague. I'm not sure if Hague will ever amount to more than a marginal 1-1.5 WAR firstbasemen due to his lack of power. At 26, he's not exactly advanced for his level either. Curry is a second year pro who took a huge jump in levels and not only did he dominate A, he was the MOST dominant player to play A ball this year by a pretty fair margin. It doesn't mean a ton and clearly he struggled with AA pitching.  If he figures it out, he has the potential to become a very good first basemen with 25-30 homers per. Plus he's a lefty and that gets him organizational bonus points. Isn't Blair County Ball Park tough on lefties?
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2011, 01:58:30 PM »

Matt Hague.  Do the right thing.
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2011, 03:29:13 PM »

I don't understand why Lambo is getting any votes here. He wasn't protected for the rule 5, while the likes of Hague and Welker were. At the very least he should have no chance at ranking ahead of those two because the pirates find them more valuable than cheech.

Further, worse than being left unprotected, nobody selected him. Lambo has no place in the top 30.

I'm one of the Lambo voters.  I liked what I saw from him in AA this past year.  I think he still has a ceiling as a starting RF with 20-HR power.  I'm not optomistic that he reaches it, but that ceiling is probably a better player than the ceiling of Hague (who I like) or Welker.
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2011, 03:35:37 PM »

I think we need to have an annual Moskos Award.

Lambo is my front runner as there lots of passion both for and against Lambo this year. Not so much emotion over Hague, but he is also garnering some votes...
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 04:37:19 PM »

what has worried me some about Lambo is that he has not hit righties as well as he should for a left handed hitter.

I couldn't find splits on Pirates Prospects or baseball reference to see if that was still the case in 2011.

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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2011, 05:41:31 PM »

I don't understand why Lambo is getting any votes here. He wasn't protected for the rule 5, while the likes of Hague and Welker were. At the very least he should have no chance at ranking ahead of those two because the pirates find them more valuable than cheech.

Further, worse than being left unprotected, nobody selected him. Lambo has no place in the top 30.
The rule 5 draft isn't just about the order of prospects, so it has little bearing on top prospect lists.  It has to do with that player sticking on a MLB roster for the whole season.  Lambo could pull a Wes Freeman at any time and instantly become a good prospect again.
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2011, 09:04:45 PM »

I don't understand why Lambo is getting any votes here. He wasn't protected for the rule 5, while the likes of Hague and Welker were. At the very least he should have no chance at ranking ahead of those two because the pirates find them more valuable than cheech.

Further, worse than being left unprotected, nobody selected him. Lambo has no place in the top 30.
The rule 5 draft isn't just about the order of prospects, so it has little bearing on top prospect lists.  It has to do with that player sticking on a MLB roster for the whole season.  Lambo could pull a Wes Freeman at any time and instantly become a good prospect again.

I think that you will find ranking on prospect lists and being protected on the 40-man are highly correlated. Saying it has "little bearing" just isn't true. Sure, there will always be players that slip through the cracks, but more often than not, the best players are protected.

Besides, your final sentence pretty much admits Lambo isn't currently a good prospect.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2011, 09:25:09 PM »

Given how Lambo performed in AAA last year there is no way he's ready for the jump to the majors and I think the Pirates trusted that other teams recognized that.  He's not such a good prospect that a MLB team should be willing to give up a roster spot for five months.  But he had a decent year in AA and was age appropriate, so I think it's too soon to write him off.

As many do, I have high hopes for Grossman, but he'll be the same age in AA this year as Lambo was last year and I'll consider his season a success if he puts up similar numbers as Lambo put up last year in AA.
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