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« on: February 21, 2011, 05:18:13 PM » |
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I am not a huge Goligoski fan so I like this deal. James Neal is a good player, only 23 and scored 20 goals in three straight years. Signed through the end of next year. Will drop the gloves. http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=354819 |
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steve19981
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 05:50:21 PM » |
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Strikes me a similar deal to the Kunitz trade. Surplus defense man for power forward. I like it just the same but Gogo has more upside than Britney ever did. Would not be surprised if Alex has a similar break out to the one Letang is having this year. It also gives the Pens a live body at the forward position short run and someone who should be with the team for at least another 3-4 more years and at a relatively low cap hit next season.
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gamecckfn
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 06:18:52 PM » |
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Strikes me a similar deal to the Kunitz trade. Surplus defense man for power forward. I like it just the same but Gogo has more upside than Britney ever did. Would not be surprised if Alex has a similar break out to the one Letang is having this year. It also gives the Pens a live body at the forward position short run and someone who should be with the team for at least another 3-4 more years and at a relatively low cap hit next season.
Actually, I would say Goligoski's upside is Ryan Whitney. Letang's breakout season is not just a reflection of his offensive stats, but also his defense. Both are top notch. Goligoski is not physical enough to ever reach that level. Hopefully this deal ends up being better than the Kunitz deal, since IMO Kunitz has been disappointing. I am not sure how we added Niskanen to the deal. Goligoski and Niskanen are basically the same player, although Niskanen has had a terrible year. If he turns it back around, this deal is a big win for the Penguins. |
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steve19981
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 08:39:43 PM » |
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Strikes me a similar deal to the Kunitz trade. Surplus defense man for power forward. I like it just the same but Gogo has more upside than Britney ever did. Would not be surprised if Alex has a similar break out to the one Letang is having this year. It also gives the Pens a live body at the forward position short run and someone who should be with the team for at least another 3-4 more years and at a relatively low cap hit next season.
Actually, I would say Goligoski's upside is Ryan Whitney. Letang's breakout season is not just a reflection of his offensive stats, but also his defense. Both are top notch. Goligoski is not physical enough to ever reach that level. Hopefully this deal ends up being better than the Kunitz deal, since IMO Kunitz has been disappointing. I am not sure how we added Niskanen to the deal. Goligoski and Niskanen are basically the same player, although Niskanen has had a terrible year. If he turns it back around, this deal is a big win for the Penguins. Gogo at least plays soft because he's small. Britney earned his nickname by not playing to his size. Still too early IMO to judge Gogo. He looks like Rafalski early in his career. Keep in mind the guy only has about two years worth of NHL experience at this point and defensemen take a little longer to mature. As for Kunitz, I'm not sure what people don't like about him. He's produced roughly 25 goals over the course of a full season in his time with the Pens. He does a lot of the dirty work so Sid doesn't have to like digging pucks out out of the corners. I've made the argument that Kunitz actually helps make Crosby a better goal scorer. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 08:44:03 PM » |
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I hate to see Gogo leave. I'm not familiar with either guy the Pens got back, so I'm not sure if they got good value back for him. I guess my initial reaction is that if the Pens traded one guy for two, the guy they dealt away must have been the most valuable guy in the deal.
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SpeedyG
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 09:33:35 PM » |
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Strikes me a similar deal to the Kunitz trade. Surplus defense man for power forward. I like it just the same but Gogo has more upside than Britney ever did. Would not be surprised if Alex has a similar break out to the one Letang is having this year. It also gives the Pens a live body at the forward position short run and someone who should be with the team for at least another 3-4 more years and at a relatively low cap hit next season.
James Neal is a bit more offensively talented than Chris Kunitz, in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised to see him score 35+ goals next year. I think this is a very good deal for the Pens. They trade from a position of depth and get a really good, young upgrade at the wing position. They even retain some solid depth on the backline with Niskanen also coming over. Good job, Shero. |
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gamecckfn
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 12:58:01 AM » |
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Strikes me a similar deal to the Kunitz trade. Surplus defense man for power forward. I like it just the same but Gogo has more upside than Britney ever did. Would not be surprised if Alex has a similar break out to the one Letang is having this year. It also gives the Pens a live body at the forward position short run and someone who should be with the team for at least another 3-4 more years and at a relatively low cap hit next season.
Actually, I would say Goligoski's upside is Ryan Whitney. Letang's breakout season is not just a reflection of his offensive stats, but also his defense. Both are top notch. Goligoski is not physical enough to ever reach that level. Hopefully this deal ends up being better than the Kunitz deal, since IMO Kunitz has been disappointing. I am not sure how we added Niskanen to the deal. Goligoski and Niskanen are basically the same player, although Niskanen has had a terrible year. If he turns it back around, this deal is a big win for the Penguins. Gogo at least plays soft because he's small. Britney earned his nickname by not playing to his size. Still too early IMO to judge Gogo. He looks like Rafalski early in his career. Keep in mind the guy only has about two years worth of NHL experience at this point and defensemen take a little longer to mature. As for Kunitz, I'm not sure what people don't like about him. He's produced roughly 25 goals over the course of a full season in his time with the Pens. He does a lot of the dirty work so Sid doesn't have to like digging pucks out out of the corners. I've made the argument that Kunitz actually helps make Crosby a better goal scorer. I am aware of how long it takes defencemen to mature, and Goligoski is at the point when that happens. He is 25. The fact that he spent time playing in college and the minors does not mean he will get better in the future. He is what he is, a specialist that plays well on the power play and could fit in as a second pairing defenceman. Also, the next solid defensive game by Goligoski might be his first. The guy is not physical, and turns the puck over alot. His size is irrelevant, as Rafalski played defense and was physical. Rafalski was also undrafted, and starred in the Finnish leagues. Goligoski is more like Greg Hawgood or Jason Woolley. The problem is Kunitz has been a Penguin for two seasons, and has only 38 goals. That is pretty sad production considering most of that time is playing on Crosby's wing. I still think Niskanen could be a big part of this deal. The Stars basically dumped him because he fell out of favor and they need to clear some money to try and sign Richards. He is a year younger than Goligoski with the same skill set, and similar production. Not sure how we did not have to add more to the deal, the Stars were not dying for defencemen, and Goligoski will still be on the third pairing. And if they did not like Niskanen, they are not going to be happy with Goligoski. |
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Steve Zielinski
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 01:00:54 AM » |
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I hate to see Gogo leave. I'm not familiar with either guy the Pens got back, so I'm not sure if they got good value back for him. I guess my initial reaction is that if the Pens traded one guy for two, the guy they dealt away must have been the most valuable guy in the deal.
Gologoski can shot, pass and move the puck. Those are really valuable skills for a defenseman. And the Pens already have another like Gogo and, perhaps, another one on the way. What the team lacks is scoring wingers. Neal seems to be one of those. The Pens could trade Gologoski only because they already have Letang. It'd be better to have both Gologoski and Letang. But they need a winger like Neal. Malkin hasn't had a proper line to lead since Malone went to the Rays and Sakora got too slow to play in the NHL. This should be a win-win trade for both teams. It'd be a real theft if Niskanen improved a lot. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 10:38:34 AM » |
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I hate to see Gogo leave. I'm not familiar with either guy the Pens got back, so I'm not sure if they got good value back for him. I guess my initial reaction is that if the Pens traded one guy for two, the guy they dealt away must have been the most valuable guy in the deal.
Gologoski can shot, pass and move the puck. Those are really valuable skills for a defenseman. And the Pens already have another like Gogo and, perhaps, another one on the way. What the team lacks is scoring wingers. Neal seems to be one of those. The Pens could trade Gologoski only because they already have Letang. It'd be better to have both Gologoski and Letang. But they need a winger like Neal. Malkin hasn't had a proper line to lead since Malone went to the Rays and Sakora got too slow to play in the NHL. This should be a win-win trade for both teams. It'd be a real theft if Niskanen improved a lot. I would say the Pens still have 2 defencemen that can carry the puck, Martin and Letang, and both are better overall players. Lovejoy is also good with the puck, but not as good as Gogo. Goligoski is a good player to have on the Power Play, but that did not seem to help the Pens much. I do have to say, listening to the radio before the game last night, I think alot of people are way off base when they call Goligoski a bad or disappointing player. He has played as well as I expected, and was one of the few producers on the Power Play. Someone also suggested that the Penguins need to add more fighters, which had to be a joke. Agree on Niskanen. He is at the very least an upgrade on Lovejoy, at least in pure talent. From the sounds of it, I am in the minority that thinks Despres will not be on the Pens next year. No need to rush him. |
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gamecckfn
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 12:00:35 PM » |
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This trade probably does mean that Dupuis will not be back next year. And I doubt all three of Rupp, Kennedy and Talbot are back.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 01:44:56 PM » |
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I like the trade.
If Goligoski reaches his full potential he would probably price himself out of Pittsburgh anyway. I also don't think Dupuis has to go because of this, if he is willing to sign a reasonable deal I bet they'd love to have him back. He fills a role, and is a leader on this team.
Neal instantly becomes this teams best winger, he is a much better player than Kunitz, and is still getting better. He's still a kid.
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gamecckfn
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2011, 02:31:27 PM » |
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I guess you could be right, I was basing that on this years cap number, but it is expected to go up 2-3 million. They do have a few players going into FA, including Dupuis, Talbot, Kennedy, Adams, and Rupp. Interchangable guys for the most part, but guys that have not really worn out their welcome. I would be ok with Kennedy moving on though to make room for one of the younger guys.
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Steve Zielinski
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2011, 03:46:31 PM » |
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I'm unsure why some fans want to crap on players on their team. Gogo was a good offensive defenseman who was improving his defense and even his offensive skills. His value was such that it brought to the Pens two players with more than a little talent. How might the Gologowski bashers explain this trade if Gogo was a disappointment?
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gamecckfn
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2011, 01:44:35 PM » |
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And another trade made, this time a 7th round pick for Alex Kovalev. Obviously a good deal with nothing to lose.
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SpeedyG
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2011, 05:18:47 PM » |
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And another trade made, this time a 7th round pick for Alex Kovalev. Obviously a good deal with nothing to lose.
I like this deal a lot, as well. Hopefully, Kovalev plays with a fire under his butt. He looked like he was phoning it in half the time in Ottawa. It will be nice to see him back in a Pens uniform. |
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