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« Reply #135 on: September 06, 2010, 10:01:28 PM » |
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The O's have won 7 of their last 10, but lets say they completely collapse the rest of the way what would it take for them to catch the Pirates for the first pick. Right now 6 wins separate the two teams and the Pirates would have the tiebreaker based on this year's draft positioning.
So if Baltimore completely collapses and goes 4-20 the rest of the way to finish 56-106, the Pirates would still have to go 11-14 to finish 57-105.
The O's current winning percentage is .377, if they play at that rate for the rest of the way they would go 9-15 to finish 61-101. That would mean the Pirates would have to finish 16-9 to reach 62 wins.
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« Reply #136 on: September 07, 2010, 01:47:27 AM » |
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The O's have won 7 of their last 10, but lets say they completely collapse the rest of the way what would it take for them to catch the Pirates for the first pick. Right now 6 wins separate the two teams and the Pirates would have the tiebreaker based on this year's draft positioning.
So if Baltimore completely collapses and goes 4-20 the rest of the way to finish 56-106, the Pirates would still have to go 11-14 to finish 57-105.
The O's current winning percentage is .377, if they play at that rate for the rest of the way they would go 9-15 to finish 61-101. That would mean the Pirates would have to finish 16-9 to reach 62 wins.
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« Reply #137 on: September 11, 2010, 10:31:51 PM » |
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7 1/2 game lead with 3 weeks to go. Can a player that hasn't been drafted yet be eligible for the OBN top 30 polls?
Note if Seattle loses, they will be tied with the O's for 2nd. I know it's been discussed before, but Jack Z's moves over the winter did not turn out real well.
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« Reply #138 on: September 13, 2010, 12:27:32 PM » |
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Team W L GA
Pittsburgh 48 94 ---
Seattle 55 88 6.5
Baltimore 55 88 6.5
Arizona 57 86 8.5
Cleveland 58 85 9.5
The lead of the Pirates looks safe with 20 games to play (those chasing the Pirates have 19 games left). Still, the team has looked, well, competent just recently. The creates the kind of situation which can challenge the dedicated Pirates fan. We certainly want the team to finish well; but we also want the first pick in next year's draft. The two wishes are compatible, but wholly so. The Pirates going 15 and 5 Seattle or Baltimore going 5 and 14 the rest of the way could adversely impact the franchise for the next decade. The first pick next year is quite valuable. And yet, I cannot root for the team to lose. |
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« Reply #139 on: September 13, 2010, 12:39:31 PM » |
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I think if the Bucs go 10 -10 in the final 20 games that still will assure the #1 pick in June 2011. It will be an interesting final 3 weeks of the season.
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« Reply #140 on: September 13, 2010, 12:53:38 PM » |
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Team W L GA
Pittsburgh 48 94 ---
Seattle 55 88 6.5
Baltimore 55 88 6.5
Arizona 57 86 8.5
Cleveland 58 85 9.5
The lead of the Pirates looks safe with 20 games to play (those chasing the Pirates have 19 games left). Still, the team has looked, well, competent just recently. The creates the kind of situation which can challenge the dedicated Pirates fan. We certainly want the team to finish well; but we also want the first pick in next year's draft. The two wishes are compatible, but wholly so. The Pirates going 15 and 5 Seattle or Baltimore going 5 and 14 the rest of the way could adversely impact the franchise for the next decade. The first pick next year is quite valuable. And yet, I cannot root for the team to lose. I think this is the perfect scenario. I was really dreading a "race to the bottom" between the O's and Pirates. But as things stand now the Pirates could have a winning Sept and still (very very likely) get the #1 pick. Finish strong is a desirable goal, and so is #1. Never would have dreamed both could be accomplished. Perfect. And some people don't think Neil knows what he's doing!  |
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« Reply #141 on: September 13, 2010, 01:16:59 PM » |
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With each game played it now seems more certain that the Pirates will end the season with the #1 pick in the draft. Regardless if the pick turns out to be Rendon, Purke or another, I pose a different question.
There is talk of allowing team's to trade draft picks. Simple question --- Would you consider trading this #1 pick?
For example, the Cardinals approach the Pirates and offer a package of Rasmus and their #1 pick in this year's draft for the Pirate's #1 pick and a player like Garrett Jones.
Or, how about Phil Hughes and the Yankees #1 pick this year for our # 1 pick and Joel Hanrahan?
In short, if Pirates' could trade next year's pick, what do you think it would be worth in terms of talent received in return?
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« Reply #142 on: September 13, 2010, 01:28:24 PM » |
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I wouldn't accept either of those trades. Not even Rasmus for Rendon straight up.
“L’audace, l’audace, toujours l’audace.”
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« Reply #143 on: September 13, 2010, 01:31:08 PM » |
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With each game played it now seems more certain that the Pirates will end the season with the #1 pick in the draft. Regardless if the pick turns out to be Rendon, Purke or another, I pose a different question.
There is talk of allowing team's to trade draft picks. Simple question --- Would you consider trading this #1 pick?
For example, the Cardinals approach the Pirates and offer a package of Rasmus and their #1 pick in this year's draft for the Pirate's #1 pick and a player like Garrett Jones.
Or, how about Phil Hughes and the Yankees #1 pick this year for our # 1 pick and Joel Hanrahan?
In short, if Pirates' could trade next year's pick, what do you think it would be worth in terms of talent received in return?
I think trading picks is going to make baseball worse, not better. |
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« Reply #144 on: September 13, 2010, 01:49:34 PM » |
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With each game played it now seems more certain that the Pirates will end the season with the #1 pick in the draft. Regardless if the pick turns out to be Rendon, Purke or another, I pose a different question.
There is talk of allowing team's to trade draft picks. Simple question --- Would you consider trading this #1 pick?
For example, the Cardinals approach the Pirates and offer a package of Rasmus and their #1 pick in this year's draft for the Pirate's #1 pick and a player like Garrett Jones.
Or, how about Phil Hughes and the Yankees #1 pick this year for our # 1 pick and Joel Hanrahan?
In short, if Pirates' could trade next year's pick, what do you think it would be worth in terms of talent received in return?
It would be crazy for the Pirates to trade Rendon -- assuming he's healthy and performs as expected -- for any current major league player save for another young and elite talent. Rasmus is not an elite talent. Rendon stands a good chance of becoming the Pirates best and most valuable player the moment he reaches the majors. Rasmus will never attain that peak as a Pirate unless the core group and a number of pitchers die in auto accidents. |
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« Reply #145 on: September 13, 2010, 02:38:03 PM » |
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I'd trade Rendon in a heartbeat.... prospects bust all the time. Or how about... prospects do not live up to expectations all the time.
Pedro, for all the talk of him being the next Jim Thome, could be Russell Branyan.
Delmon Young was hyped pretty hard... Matt Bush is out of baseball.
Rendon, could end up being Andy LaRoche. Passing up on guys that have proven themselves at the ML level for a question mark would be a mistake.
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« Reply #146 on: September 13, 2010, 03:01:34 PM » |
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I am not sure of the numbers, but I think most first round picks have made it.
Alvarez could turn into Barry Bonds too. We just don't know.
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« Reply #147 on: September 13, 2010, 04:35:02 PM » |
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I am not sure of the numbers, but I think most first round picks have made it.
Alvarez could turn into Barry Bonds too. We just don't know.
You seem like a pretty smart baseball guy.... scroll through the first rounds from say 2003-2006. These are guys that should be in their prime right now. You'll be amazed by how many times you'll say "who is that?" The 2005 draft is considered the standard of the past 8-10 drafts and even that first round has more busts than studs. |
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« Reply #148 on: September 13, 2010, 04:46:10 PM » |
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Is it too much to ask for the Pirates to actually draft Rendon before we start talking like he's Pirates property?
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« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2010, 05:02:17 PM » |
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Is it too much to ask for the Pirates to actually draft Rendon before we start talking like he's Pirates property?
That's a good point. I have every reason to believe that this management team will draft Rendon next year. They have given no indication to the contrary in their past drafts. First, they took Alvarez (best player available), then, they stated on more than one occasion that they would have drafted Strasburg or (presumably) Ackley if either were available, but they weren't. So, they traded down, in essence, and wound up with a very strong draft. But, they at least indicated that they would have taken either of the two players who clearly distinguished themselves as the top two players in the draft. Then, this year, they drafted Taillon (BPA) and then came right back with Allie (again, arguably the BPA at that point in the draft). So, in three years, I've seen plenty of evidence that Neal Huntington will draft, and more importantly sign, the best player available when he perceives that player to be a potential difference maker. The question is, does he perceive Anthony Rendon to be a potential difference maker. I for one think that he probably does, assuming the ankle heals up fully. Let's just have some fun with this though. Let's assume that the team DOES draft Rendon next year. Let's say they also sign him to a comparable daeal to what Strasburg got last year. (7.5 million bonus, 7.5 million ML contract). I could realistically see Rendon being a September call-up next year. The key though, is that he signs right away. Obviously, MLB isn't going to publicly approve that deal until minutes before the deadline. So, whatif they privately approved the deal. What if he signed the contract under the agreement that nonone (himself, the Pirates, his agent, MLB) disclose the terms to the media until the day before the deadline. He'd still be under contract and presumably could begin playing. I know this is far-fetched, but I'm dreaming of a Redon-Cedeno-Walker-Alvarez infield as early as September 1 of next year. |
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