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« Reply #90 on: March 08, 2010, 03:54:09 PM »


I don't know what sites you use or subscribe to, but I get a good amount of info from the following.

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Do you subscribe to this?  What do you think of it?  I've been considering it, but it looks to me like you'd need the mid-level subscription (the yellow one, I think) for it to be worthwhile, and it's pretty expensive.
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« Reply #91 on: March 08, 2010, 03:59:37 PM »

I think this is an extremely interesting draft, partly due to what it will tell us about the Pirates' drafting preferences, and this is true even if the Nats moot the Harper issue.  When it's not getting drowned out by the screaming and whining about money, it's an interesting topic.  (I don't doubt for a moment that bonus demands and Borass are factors in the equation--they are for every team--but I'm equally convinced that there are others that may be more important, possibly much more.)  NH has a stated aversion to prep pitchers, but I think he's particularly determined to go for college hitters early in round one.  That's a preference that has strong historical support, but how far will they, or should they, go with it?
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« Reply #92 on: March 08, 2010, 04:03:18 PM »


I don't know what sites you use or subscribe to, but I get a good amount of info from the following.

PG Crosschecker

Do you subscribe to this?  What do you think of it?  I've been considering it, but it looks to me like you'd need the mid-level subscription (the yellow one, I think) for it to be worthwhile, and it's pretty expensive.

I have in the past. There's simply too many free sources of info, and/or paid info that's being shared, to be paying $60 for it. Now, I use it for the weekly updates, links to college and HS scouting blogs and free info that's there. I 've built a pretty comprehensive database of links, blogs and contacts, enabling me to get pretty much all I need for free, with the exception to a BP subscription and various newsletters and mags.
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« Reply #93 on: March 08, 2010, 04:12:51 PM »

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Sunday, March 7, 2010
The SEC is plain ol' loaded

One of the questions asked of me most when I'm out at games or via e-mail is which college conference has the most draft prospects and which has the best prospects. The answer to that question in 2010 is the SEC, and the race is really not close.

As I was writing this, I sent Keith Law a quick e-mail just to reiterate that "the SEC is loaded," as if he needs me to tell him these things. But a check on this list below reveals more than a dozen prospects, many of whom are likely to be first-day selections. And not that the ACC or the Big 12 is void of talent, but the SEC reigns supreme this season both in terms of depth and when it comes to the most first-round talents.

From the trios at LSU, Arkansas and Alabama to Ole Miss LHP Drew Pomeranz and South Carolina RHP Sam Dyson, the SEC is indeed loaded with potential top-100 picks, many of whom are expected to go in Round 1.

As one area scout put it, "It's a joy every year to cover this area because there is never a lack of big-time guys to see every week."

On the diamond

• As someone reassured us in February, West Virginia's Jedd Gyorko will hit despite lacking an obvious defensive profile. He's playing shortstop for the Mountaineers and had three more hits Saturday in five at-bats. Gyorko's numbers are up to .361/.452/.639 (batting average/on-base percentage/slugging percentage) with six walks and four whiffs in nine games.

• Draft-eligible sophomore Michael Goodnight won a toe-to-toe battle with potential first-round pick Brandon Workman as Houston blanked Texas 1-0. Goodnight fanned nine in seven shutout frames, and although he walked four batters, the Longhorns managed just two hits off the right-hander. Workman gave up an earned run on a walk and four hits. He struck out seven in eight innings.

• Cal State Fullerton's Gary Brown continues to dazzle with his speed and gather base hits, but he still hasn't drawn a walk in nine games covering 42 official at-bats. But perhaps the biggest news out of the Titans' 6-1 win over Arizona is the 0-for-5 effort from SS Christian Colon. The junior is hitting .194/.310/.306 with just two extra-base hits in nine games after posting a .971 OPS as a sophomore. There are no indications he's hurt, and he's certainly better than he's showing thus far, so expect him to turn it around somewhat as the season unfolds. But Colon doesn't have what we'd call a significant advantage over other shortstop prospects in this class, namely Alabama's Josh Rutledge, who entered the season with offensive questions.

• Speaking of Rutledge, the 6-foot, 185-pound junior singled and fanned twice in a 4-0 win over College of Charleston and is now hitting .333/.385/.545 in eight games. He's drawn just one walk to go with six strikeouts this season and produced a 25-to-50 BB/K ratio last season, numbers that will have to improve to get him solidly in the first-day conversation.

• Rutledge's teammate, right-hander Jimmy Nelson, struck out 11 in six scoreless innings Saturday, throwing 64 of his 91 pitches for strikes and avoiding the base on balls. The 6-6, 235-pound Nelson led the Florida Collegiate Summer League in strikeouts this past summer, and although the FCSL isn't the Cape Cod League, the Tide's ace has brought that success with him into 2010. Nelson has allowed just 12 baserunners and owns a 19-to-1 K/BB ratio in three starts spanning 16 innings. He began the year generally considered an early second-day talent, but with the potential to move up the charts. He generally sits in the 88-91 mph range with his four-seam fastball but effectively uses a two-seamer to set up a slider, his out pitch.

• UCLA's Rob Rasmussen struck out 10 in five innings versus Nebraska, giving the 5-11 left-hander 23 strikeouts in 13 innings pitched. His crutch, however, is lack of consistent command, leading to 11 bases on balls and his high pitch count Saturday. He threw 54 strikes and 45 balls but somehow allowed just one unearned run. Stuff isn't Rasmussen's problem, as he generally sits in the low-90s, which is above average for a lefty, and possesses a curveball that flashes as a plus pitch and potential put-away offering.

• Middle Tennessee State's Bryce Brentz homered for the second straight day and singled twice, but Jacksonville State left fielder Todd Cunningham bested Brentz once again, garnering a double and a homer in JSU's 8-5 win. Cunningham already has nine extra-base hits in his nine games played, and Brentz, after a slow start, is five for his past 11 with two long balls.

• Virginia Tech's Austin Wates went 2-for-6 with a double and a walk in a twin bill versus Long Island after going 2-for-3 with two bases on balls Friday. Wates is hitting a ridiculous .474/.632/.711 with three doubles and three triples, but he isn't considered a big-time power bat going forward. He's a good athlete, as we have written here before, but he continues to play first base rather than the outfield.

• SEC stars Andy Wilkins, Brett Eibner and Zack Cox led Arkansas over RHP Dixon Anderson and Cal Saturday, combining for six hits and four RBIs in a 9-5 win. Wilkins hit his fifth home run of the season and is hitting .419 with eight extra-base hits. Anderson struggled through five innings, giving up nine earned runs on eight hits, walking three and striking out just two.

• Hokies right-hander Jesse Hahn allowed just two hits in seven scoreless innings while piling up nine strikeouts in VT's easy doubleheader sweep of hapless Long Island. Hahn could be a first-day pick, but numbers he puts up against the early-season schedule aren't going to impress anyone. His fastball velocity will, however. Hahn has touched 96 mph in the past and has showed a good curveball, which at times is a plus pitch, according to one area scout.

• Ohio State's Alex Wimmers experienced his first hiccup of the season, catching a lot of the plate with his low-90s fastball Saturday, leading to 12 hits and five runs allowed in five innings. He walked three and struck out eight.

• We'll talk more about Wichita State's sophomore-eligible Jordan Cooper if he pitches more like he did Saturday. The right-hander fanned seven in eight efficient innings versus Florida Gulf Coast, throwing 70 of 100 pitches for strikes. He may be an early second-day selection with a consistent season.

• Pepperdine left-hander Matt Bywater held his own versus No. 1 LSU despite four walks and erratic command of his entire arsenal Saturday. He allowed just one earned run on seven hits -- all singles. LSU's Leon Landry and Micah Gibbs tallied three of those hits.

• The favorite to be the top pick in this year's draft, College of Southern Nevada's Bryce Harper, is on a tear this weekend, going 8-for-12 in four games (two doubleheaders) with three doubles, two long balls and three walks. The 17-year-old draft-eligible freshman is leading his Coyotes in all major categories except triples with a .408/.500/.831 line, including six home runs and 10 doubles. He's also walked a team-high 14 times, and despite 17 strikeouts in 86 plate appearances, the kid is a beast and proving his power is for real with the wood bat.

• On the injury front, LSU announced Friday that right-hander Anthony Ranaudo, considered the top college pitcher in the class, will not pitch at all this weekend thanks to a sore elbow. There is no timetable for his return, but he's missed two starts. The thought originally, however, was that the school would play it smart and safe and be sure the Tigers' Friday starter was fully over the injury and ready to go to avoid risking his future.
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« Reply #94 on: March 08, 2010, 04:14:00 PM »

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The Texas Rangers acquired left-hander Matt Harrison in the Mark Teixeira trade in 2007, but when Harrison's shoulder didn't quite check out, the Atlanta Braves had to throw in another player to finish off the deal. The Rangers' concerns seemed warranted nearly two years later when Harrison's 2009 season ended in late July because of thoracic outlet syndrome, but the treatment seems to have worked.

Harrison threw two innings on Saturday and averaged 93-95 mph with a hard cutter at 88-90 mph that he used heavily even in changeup counts -- even though he has an average changeup. Harrison's delivery is rather striking: He's incredibly quick for the first half, as though he has somewhere else to be, but he's a little more deliberate after he separates his hands. He comes from a pretty high slot, possibly too high for a slider, but a reliever with two above-average pitches and a usable third pitch doesn't need a true breaking ball to be effective.

• Texas' starter, Tommy Hunter, was 88-91 with a soft cutter at 83-87 mph and a very soft curveball at 74-78. His fastball command was fair, and I still don't see what he has to get big league hitters out consistently. Harrison could have the stuff to start if his shoulder permits and someone can calm him down, but Hunter looks like a reliever.

• Kansas City rolled out a few arms of its own, led by the debut of 2009 first-round draft pick Aaron Crow. Crow was 91-94 and located the pitch very well to his glove side, while his 84-86 mph slider had good tilt and some late dive to it; he mixed in one changeup at 86. He still has that massive hook in the back of his delivery and gets his pitching elbow way up after he separates his hands, although given how little he pitched between June 2008 and now, he still should have a fair amount of mileage left in his arm. I could see him starting at Double-A with the potential to reach the majors later this year.

• Blake Wood flashed power stuff in his inning of work, pitching at 91-94 early but ramping it up to 96 when he was trying to finish off the last hitter. He also used a late-diving slider that was at 84-87. His fastball life came and went, with good tail on a 92 mph pitch and some late life up at 95, but some of his 91s were pretty straight; his fastball command probably will never be more than fringe-average. That kind of raw stuff in a one-inning look should miss some major league bats and could make him a viable seventh- or eighth-inning guy this season.
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« Reply #95 on: March 08, 2010, 05:28:34 PM »

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More age issues

For the past couple of weeks, scouts from several teams, including the New York Yankees and Arizona Diamondbacks have fawned over 18-year-old Dominican pitching prospect Carlos Matias, a 5-foot-11 flamethrower whose fastball has been clocked in the mid 90s.

Some are predicting that Matias may be in line to receive as much as $500,000-$1,000,000.

Yet there's a catch. Last year, Matias had agreed in principle to a $160,000 bonus with the Red Sox, according to former Boston Latin American scouting director Johnny DiPuglia, who now holds the same position with the Nationals.

But MLB -- after conducting an investigation -- determined Matias lied about his age and identity. Subsequently, Matias was suspended and his deal with the Red Sox was voided.

Now, in essence, Matias will likely be getting rewarded for having lied about his age since he'll likely net much more money than he was to receive with Boston.

"MLB should allow the club to honor original deal after suspension," DiPuglia wrote in an email.

At this point, it doesn't appear that the Red Sox are actively pursuing Matias anymore. One executive of a team interested in Matias said the pitcher has recently cancelled several tryouts because he's still trying to get his paperwork in order.
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« Reply #96 on: March 08, 2010, 05:49:04 PM »

I think this is an extremely interesting draft, partly due to what it will tell us about the Pirates' drafting preferences, and this is true even if the Nats moot the Harper issue.  When it's not getting drowned out by the screaming and whining about money, it's an interesting topic.  (I don't doubt for a moment that bonus demands and Borass are factors in the equation--they are for every team--but I'm equally convinced that there are others that may be more important, possibly much more.)  NH has a stated aversion to prep pitchers, but I think he's particularly determined to go for college hitters early in round one.  That's a preference that has strong historical support, but how far will they, or should they, go with it?

I guess what I don't understand is that it seems some on here apparently hold that money can not be a reason to pass on someone.  I think it can. 

For me it's not currently a question as to whether Harper is the #1 player in the draft - at this time I think he probably is.  The question for me is whether he is worth the price he is going to demand.  I don't subscribe to the idea that the Pirates sign him at any cost, ESPECIALLY for someone several years away.  A great player can still create a bad contract and situation for the team.

Money does matter.  If he not worth $15 million but it's going to take $15 to sign him I think the Pirates have to go another direction.  If the Pirates invest a record amount into any one player it is a serious gamble for a team like to Pirates - Harper doesn't have to prove to me that he is the #1 player, he has to prove that he is truly worth the amount that it is going to take to sign him.

That is why I am following Omar's game by game on Harper - I have no doubt he's good.  The question is is he worth a record amount?   Maybe he is.  If so, I absolutely hope the Pirates sign him - maybe this is the kid that makes the Pirates a world champion again.  But if he's not, I expect the Pirates to make better use of their limited resources.
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« Reply #97 on: March 08, 2010, 06:02:04 PM »

For those that think money should not matter in drafting, maybe they should speak to Dorf on signing bonuses.  I'm sure he can put some the issue in perspective.  I wonder if he got a copyright on his thesis and if it is publicly available to read.
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« Reply #98 on: March 08, 2010, 06:12:12 PM »

I'm less concerned about the money than about the possibility (or certainty, more likely) that he'll demand a major league deal.  He's too young for that.  That destroyed whatever chance Wily Mo Pena had of having a good major league career.  If he's what people are saying (the scouts, not SI), he's worth the money.
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« Reply #99 on: March 08, 2010, 07:55:18 PM »

I'm less concerned about the money than about the possibility (or certainty, more likely) that he'll demand a major league deal.  He's too young for that.  That destroyed whatever chance Wily Mo Pena had of having a good major league career.  If he's what people are saying (the scouts, not SI), he's worth the money.
I agree on the MLB deal.  I doubt he will get $15M either.  But even if he did, that's a cheap investment for a guy who projects to be an impact player.  They would own his contract for 6 years after he made the majors.

The reality is that Harper is more likely to get and sign for around $10M.

Now if he wanted something like $20M, no I wouldn't sign him.  There is always a line in the sand.  I've never advocated saying we should give a draft pick what he wants.
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« Reply #100 on: March 08, 2010, 08:08:34 PM »

I'm less concerned about the money than about the possibility (or certainty, more likely) that he'll demand a major league deal.  He's too young for that.  That destroyed whatever chance Wily Mo Pena had of having a good major league career.  If he's what people are saying (the scouts, not SI), he's worth the money.
I agree on the MLB deal.  I doubt he will get $15M either.  But even if he did, that's a cheap investment for a guy who projects to be an impact player.  They would own his contract for 6 years after he made the majors.

The reality is that Harper is more likely to get and sign for around $10M.

Now if he wanted something like $20M, no I wouldn't sign him.  There is always a line in the sand.  I've never advocated saying we should give a draft pick what he wants.
The question is...where would the Pirates draw the line in the sand?? $6M (Pedro's money)?? 10M?? 15?? 20??
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« Reply #101 on: March 08, 2010, 09:28:22 PM »

I'm less concerned about the money than about the possibility (or certainty, more likely) that he'll demand a major league deal.  He's too young for that.  That destroyed whatever chance Wily Mo Pena had of having a good major league career.  If he's what people are saying (the scouts, not SI), he's worth the money.
I agree on the MLB deal.  I doubt he will get $15M either.  But even if he did, that's a cheap investment for a guy who projects to be an impact player.  They would own his contract for 6 years after he made the majors.

The reality is that Harper is more likely to get and sign for around $10M.

Now if he wanted something like $20M, no I wouldn't sign him.  There is always a line in the sand.  I've never advocated saying we should give a draft pick what he wants.
The question is...where would the Pirates draw the line in the sand?? $6M (Pedro's money)?? 10M?? 15?? 20??

They wouldn't draft Harper if they weren't prepared to go beyond $6M.
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« Reply #102 on: March 08, 2010, 11:17:22 PM »

I'm less concerned about the money than about the possibility (or certainty, more likely) that he'll demand a major league deal.  He's too young for that.  That destroyed whatever chance Wily Mo Pena had of having a good major league career.  If he's what people are saying (the scouts, not SI), he's worth the money.
I agree on the MLB deal.  I doubt he will get $15M either.  But even if he did, that's a cheap investment for a guy who projects to be an impact player.  They would own his contract for 6 years after he made the majors.

The reality is that Harper is more likely to get and sign for around $10M.

Now if he wanted something like $20M, no I wouldn't sign him.  There is always a line in the sand.  I've never advocated saying we should give a draft pick what he wants.
The question is...where would the Pirates draw the line in the sand?? $6M (Pedro's money)?? 10M?? 15?? 20??

They wouldn't draft Harper if they weren't prepared to go beyond $6M.
I think you may have misunderstood my question. I suspect they would go to 6M for Harper. My question is how much higher would they go?? Where do the Pirates actually draw the line.
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« Reply #103 on: March 08, 2010, 11:22:48 PM »

I'm less concerned about the money than about the possibility (or certainty, more likely) that he'll demand a major league deal.  He's too young for that.  That destroyed whatever chance Wily Mo Pena had of having a good major league career.  If he's what people are saying (the scouts, not SI), he's worth the money.
I agree on the MLB deal.  I doubt he will get $15M either.  But even if he did, that's a cheap investment for a guy who projects to be an impact player.  They would own his contract for 6 years after he made the majors.

The reality is that Harper is more likely to get and sign for around $10M.

Now if he wanted something like $20M, no I wouldn't sign him.  There is always a line in the sand.  I've never advocated saying we should give a draft pick what he wants.
The question is...where would the Pirates draw the line in the sand?? $6M (Pedro's money)?? 10M?? 15?? 20??

They wouldn't draft Harper if they weren't prepared to go beyond $6M.
I think you may have misunderstood my question. I suspect they would go to 6M for Harper. My question is how much higher would they go?? Where do the Pirates actually draw the line.
I would go to at least $12M maybe $15M.  I still believe that he will get around $10M.

I would not give him an MLB contract though.  That would get him to the majors by 20 years of age and free agency no later than 27.
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« Reply #104 on: March 08, 2010, 11:24:56 PM »

I'm less concerned about the money than about the possibility (or certainty, more likely) that he'll demand a major league deal.  He's too young for that.  That destroyed whatever chance Wily Mo Pena had of having a good major league career.  If he's what people are saying (the scouts, not SI), he's worth the money.
I agree on the MLB deal.  I doubt he will get $15M either.  But even if he did, that's a cheap investment for a guy who projects to be an impact player.  They would own his contract for 6 years after he made the majors.

The reality is that Harper is more likely to get and sign for around $10M.

Now if he wanted something like $20M, no I wouldn't sign him.  There is always a line in the sand.  I've never advocated saying we should give a draft pick what he wants.
The question is...where would the Pirates draw the line in the sand?? $6M (Pedro's money)?? 10M?? 15?? 20??

They wouldn't draft Harper if they weren't prepared to go beyond $6M.
I think you may have misunderstood my question. I suspect they would go to 6M for Harper. My question is how much higher would they go?? Where do the Pirates actually draw the line.

I think that it is likely he will demand more than $10M, probably a lot more.  He will have to show he is more than an "impact" player at $15M. 

That is my point -  he may well be the #1 player but that is a long way from saying he is worth anywhere near $15M.  The fact that some scouts are raising questions certainly should raise questions as to whether he is going to be worth what he demands. 
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