Should Rush be allowed to buy into the Rams?

[scrapiron]

What do you guys think?  This guy is a big football fan, Missouri born, and has money to invest. I say let him be part of an ownership group.  Players and their union are all over this so you know the NFL won't let him be a part of any group.  I think those objecting need to get over it. 

I originally thought his comments about McNabb were overblown, just like Jimmy the Greek's comments.  His criticism wasn't about McNabb, but the media.  The eagles were stinking up the field and McNabb was taking all the blame.  In essense, what he said was the too much of that blame was going to McNabb because the teams previous success the year before was heaped at his feet.  He felt that the reason that occurred, in part, was the media wanted to have a black QB that could be hailed.  He was correct that the teams success was more directly related to its defense, however, that part of his comments was ignored at the time.  I think many are too quick to claim racism.  In this case, the whites did so because they had to be defensive, and the blacks were simple too sensitive without trying to get past the stupid black QB thing (which wasn't there in the first place).   

[Steve Zielinski]

The owners might have a morals clause in their agreement meant to keep out someone like Limbaugh.

I hope he makes it. It bothers me that he's a Steelers fan. Who wants to associate in any way with someone like that.

[IABucFan]

Steve, I have to ask you...what do you have against Limbaugh?  Is it simply that he disagrees with you politically?  I admit that I listen to Rush on occasion, usually when I'm in my car.  I like what he has to say, and, generally, I agree with him.  I do think that some of the things he says are over the top, but in no way, shape, or form, do I believe him to be a racist.  The man has interviewed the like of J.C. Watts, Michael Steele, and Clarence Thomas, among others, countless times on his radio program.

As to the original question, I couldn't care less if he buys the Rams.  I do think though, that it's his money, and if he makes an offer that the current owner of the Rams agrees to, he ought to be able to buy the team.

[Steve Zielinski]

Steve, I have to ask you...what do you have against Limbaugh?  Is it simply that he disagrees with you politically?  I admit that I listen to Rush on occasion, usually when I'm in my car.  I like what he has to say, and, generally, I agree with him.  I do think that some of the things he says are over the top, but in no way, shape, or form, do I believe him to be a racist.  The man has interviewed the like of J.C. Watts, Michael Steele, and Clarence Thomas, among others, countless times on his radio program.

As to the original question, I couldn't care less if he buys the Rams.  I do think though, that it's his money, and if he makes an offer that the current owner of the Rams agrees to, he ought to be able to buy the team.

He's vicious, a racist and a shameless hypocrite.

[gorillagogo]

I originally thought his comments about McNabb were overblown, just like Jimmy the Greek's comments.  His criticism wasn't about McNabb, but the media.  The eagles were stinking up the field and McNabb was taking all the blame.  In essense, what he said was the too much of that blame was going to McNabb because the teams previous success the year before was heaped at his feet.  He felt that the reason that occurred, in part, was the media wanted to have a black QB that could be hailed.  He was correct that the teams success was more directly related to its defense, however, that part of his comments was ignored at the time.  I think many are too quick to claim racism.  In this case, the whites did so because they had to be defensive, and the blacks were simple too sensitive without trying to get past the stupid black QB thing (which wasn't there in the first place).   

Not just Limbaugh, but Jimmy the Greek too? Jeez. Years of playing the "playing the race card" card have really defined racism down for you guys. Who's next, Michael Richards?

I mean, seriously, it's one thing to say McNabb was an overhyped player but it's another thing entirely when Limbaugh injects race into the discussion. What are the thought processes that go on in a person's head that start with the arguable point that McNabb was overrated and end up with it must be because he's black? That's the very definition of racist.

And the thought that the media wanted to create a successful black quarterback is absurd on its face. Guys like Doug Williams, Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon were already successful black quarterbacks long before McNabb was even drafted. There was no need to create anything.

[Steve Zielinski]

I originally thought his comments about McNabb were overblown, just like Jimmy the Greek's comments.  His criticism wasn't about McNabb, but the media.  The eagles were stinking up the field and McNabb was taking all the blame.  In essense, what he said was the too much of that blame was going to McNabb because the teams previous success the year before was heaped at his feet.  He felt that the reason that occurred, in part, was the media wanted to have a black QB that could be hailed.  He was correct that the teams success was more directly related to its defense, however, that part of his comments was ignored at the time.  I think many are too quick to claim racism.  In this case, the whites did so because they had to be defensive, and the blacks were simple too sensitive without trying to get past the stupid black QB thing (which wasn't there in the first place).   

Not just Limbaugh, but Jimmy the Greek too? Jeez. Years of playing the "playing the race card" card have really defined racism down for you guys. Who's next, Michael Richards?

I mean, seriously, it's one thing to say McNabb was an overhyped player but it's another thing entirely when Limbaugh injects race into the discussion. What are the thought processes that go on in a person's head that start with the arguable point that McNabb was overrated and end up with it must be because he's black? That's the very definition of racist.

And the thought that the media wanted to create a successful black quarterback is absurd on its face. Guys like Doug Williams, Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon were already successful black quarterbacks long before McNabb was even drafted. There was no need to create anything.

Belonging to the far right means one is always victimized, never the victimizer.

[scrapiron]

Not just Limbaugh, but Jimmy the Greek too? Jeez. Years of playing the "playing the race card" card have really defined racism down for you guys. Who's next, Michael Richards?

I mean, seriously, it's one thing to say McNabb was an overhyped player but it's another thing entirely when Limbaugh injects race into the discussion. What are the thought processes that go on in a person's head that start with the arguable point that McNabb was overrated and end up with it must be because he's black? That's the very definition of racist.

And the thought that the media wanted to create a successful black quarterback is absurd on its face. Guys like Doug Williams, Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon were already successful black quarterbacks long before McNabb was even drafted. There was no need to create anything.

Yes i suppose the fact that the race card is always in play when a white person disagrees with a black person has defined down the term racism. The fact that a white person that disagrees with the presidents politics is labeled a racist proves that to be true.  As far as Rush goes, I never said he was correct in what he said, I simply do not think it was meant in a racist way.  I mean who was he being racist against?  Certainly not McNabb, since the comments were directed at the media not the QB.  We live in an overly PC world today.  Any comment about any type of difference is racist or politically incorrect, unless you are picking on fat people, then anything goes. 

[Possum]

Not just Limbaugh, but Jimmy the Greek too? Jeez. Years of playing the "playing the race card" card have really defined racism down for you guys. Who's next, Michael Richards?

I mean, seriously, it's one thing to say McNabb was an overhyped player but it's another thing entirely when Limbaugh injects race into the discussion. What are the thought processes that go on in a person's head that start with the arguable point that McNabb was overrated and end up with it must be because he's black? That's the very definition of racist.

And the thought that the media wanted to create a successful black quarterback is absurd on its face. Guys like Doug Williams, Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon were already successful black quarterbacks long before McNabb was even drafted. There was no need to create anything.

Yes i suppose the fact that the race card is always in play when a white person disagrees with a black person has defined down the term racism. The fact that a white person that disagrees with the presidents politics is labeled a racist proves that to be true.  As far as Rush goes, I never said he was correct in what he said, I simply do not think it was meant in a racist way.  I mean who was he being racist against?  Certainly not McNabb, since the comments were directed at the media not the QB.  We live in an overly PC world today.  Any comment about any type of difference is racist or politically incorrect, unless you are picking on fat people, then anything goes. 

What do you have against fat people?  I guess they are all liberals and certainly not as good looking as a skinny guy like you.  As far as Limbaugh, he is what he is, a big overpaid, dumb, egotistical, racist, hate monger, who happens to have the ears of a bunch of stupid **** bags like you.

I'm tired of it.  I will take it no more, if you or Rush, or Billo, or Beck want to see Obama and thus the country fail I will give you a piece of advice that was given to many guys my age who were against the Vietnam War.  If you don't like this country and you and your ilk certainly are showing that, just leave.  Get the heck out to some country who will take you if you can find one.

As for GB21 telling you how to address the President, he is right.  Obama should have everyone's respect not just the Dems and Liberals.  After all he is your President too.  And besides, you are not a patriot if you don't back the President.  I hold GB21 in high regard because of his military service.  He, despite what he seems to be thinking now would have address Mr Bush as Mr President, even though Dubya did nothing to deserve the respect except steal two elections. 

[gorillagogo]

Yes i suppose the fact that the race card is always in play when a white person disagrees with a black person has defined down the term racism. The fact that a white person that disagrees with the presidents politics is labeled a racist proves that to be true.  As far as Rush goes, I never said he was correct in what he said, I simply do not think it was meant in a racist way.  I mean who was he being racist against?  Certainly not McNabb, since the comments were directed at the media not the QB.  We live in an overly PC world today.  Any comment about any type of difference is racist or politically incorrect, unless you are picking on fat people, then anything goes. 

I hear more complaints about race and racism these days coming from the right. That's not to say there aren't overly sensitive minorities who immediately shout "racism!" at the slightest criticism, but it's often the right wing perpetual outrage machine that latches onto some minor incident and blows it up into a full blown controversy. There's a lot of ratings to be had in trumpeting the latest dumb comment by Kanye West or some anonymous college professor, and given a steady diet of that you wind up with people like you claiming "the race card is always in play when a white person disagrees with a black person". No, actually, it's not. It's very easy for a white person to disagree with a black person without credible accusations of racism -- don't disagree in a manner that's derogatory to their race. It's gotten to the point nowadays where you can't criticize legitimate instances of racism without being accused of "playing the race card", which is great for guys like Limbaugh who get to publicly make whatever outlandish accusations they can dream up and have an army of listeners ready to write off any criticism as someone just "playing the race card". Neat trick.

And as for the "Limbaugh's comments weren't racist towards McNabb" canard, you really need to think through your argument here. His central point was that the reason McNabb is successful is because he's black. You can try and spin it by saying Limbaugh's criticizing the media but that's a pretty small fig leaf. Limbaugh was basically arguing that Donovan McNabb was the undeserved recipient of a media fueled affirmative action program. How is that not deriding McNabb's accomplishments on the basis of his race?

Let's step back a second and take race out of the equation. I don't know you or what you do professionally, but if I were to publicly assert that whatever professional accomplishments you've earned were really just the result of some external person's influence, would you really believe me if I followed that up by saying I didn't mean any disrespect to you personally but rather the person who acted on your behalf? I should hope not, since the logical implication would be that you didn't deserve whatever you earned.

[IABucFan]

Not just Limbaugh, but Jimmy the Greek too? Jeez. Years of playing the "playing the race card" card have really defined racism down for you guys. Who's next, Michael Richards?

I mean, seriously, it's one thing to say McNabb was an overhyped player but it's another thing entirely when Limbaugh injects race into the discussion. What are the thought processes that go on in a person's head that start with the arguable point that McNabb was overrated and end up with it must be because he's black? That's the very definition of racist.

And the thought that the media wanted to create a successful black quarterback is absurd on its face. Guys like Doug Williams, Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon were already successful black quarterbacks long before McNabb was even drafted. There was no need to create anything.

Yes i suppose the fact that the race card is always in play when a white person disagrees with a black person has defined down the term racism. The fact that a white person that disagrees with the presidents politics is labeled a racist proves that to be true.  As far as Rush goes, I never said he was correct in what he said, I simply do not think it was meant in a racist way.  I mean who was he being racist against?  Certainly not McNabb, since the comments were directed at the media not the QB.  We live in an overly PC world today.  Any comment about any type of difference is racist or politically incorrect, unless you are picking on fat people, then anything goes. 

What do you have against fat people?  I guess they are all liberals and certainly not as good looking as a skinny guy like you.  As far as Limbaugh, he is what he is, a big overpaid, dumb, egotistical, racist, hate monger, who happens to have the ears of a bunch of stupid **** bags like you.

I'm tired of it.  I will take it no more, if you or Rush, or Billo, or Beck want to see Obama and thus the country fail I will give you a piece of advice that was given to many guys my age who were against the Vietnam War.  If you don't like this country and you and your ilk certainly are showing that, just leave.  Get the heck out to some country who will take you if you can find one.

As for GB21 telling you how to address the President, he is right.  Obama should have everyone's respect not just the Dems and Liberals.  After all he is your President too.  And besides, you are not a patriot if you don't back the President.  I hold GB21 in high regard because of his military service.  He, despite what he seems to be thinking now would have address Mr Bush as Mr President, even though Dubya did nothing to deserve the respect except steal two elections. 

Possum, with respect, this is coming from someone who criticized President Bush every chance he got.  In fact, in this exact post, you refer to him as "Dubya" instead of President Bush.  You accuse him of stealing two elections.  In 2004, he received the most votes EVER for POTUS.  In 2000, yes, he lost the popular vote.  No one disputes that.  However, he won the electoral college, which, unless someone amended the Constitution without my knowing it, is still the way our President is elected.  At no time during the Florida recount was he behind in the vote count.  If you can find me a post of yours on here where you referred to President Bush as "President Bush," I will retract my comment.  But, I suppose he's not entitled to the same respect that President Obama is, right?

"And besides, you are not a patriot if you don't back the President."  I thought it was the left saying that dissent from the President is the mark of patriotism when Bush was President.  I suppose the rules change when the party holding the White House changes.

Furthermore, do you know what Rush said?  He said that Obama is a liberal and in his opinion, liberalism is bad for the country.  He doesn't want the country to fail, he wants LIBERALISM to fail.  I also think that liberalism is bad for the country.  The government has not given me one shred of evidence demonstrating that they can run anything without running it into the ground.  Until they do, I don't want them near the auto industry, the banking industry, the housing industy (which they already ran into the ground), or the health care industry.  Do I or Rush want Obama to fail personally?  No.  I do not, however, want to see his liberal policies put into place.

Continuing on, the criticism that President Obama is receiving at the hands of the right pales in comparison to the criticism leveled against President Bush by the left.  Your same logic of, "If you don't like this country and you and your ilk certainly are showing that, just leave.  Get the heck out to some country who will take you if you can find one," could just as easily be applied to the left.  A lot of these people think these other countries are so great, like Cuba or Venezuela.  Perhaps they should ask a Cuban refugee for his opinion.  It wasn't President Bush who went on to Saudi television to disparage America.  That would be President Obama.

These people think the American health care system is a joke?  Listen, I've lived in Italy, and I've had two friends hospitalized in Italy for an extended period of time.  Supposedly, Italy has the "second best health care system in the world after France."  I can tell you with absolute certainty that I wouldn't send my dog for treatment at an Italian, government run, hospital.  I literally have seen veterinary clincs that were more sanitary.

How many people on the left wanted the U.S. to lose the war on Terror when Bush was president?  Quite a few, I suggest.  How many privately, or publicly for that matter, jumped up and down with glee when the stock market crashed just prior to the Novemeber elections last year, virtually assuring Obama of the presidency?  Yet, where are all these people now?  The war in Afghanistan, where Obama said the focus should be, is worse than when he took office.  The same people who criticized President Bush for his actions on Katrina have been mysteriously silent while President Obama ignores the situation in American Samoa, which last I checked, is an American territory.

As for Rush, "he is what he is, a big overpaid, dumb, egotistical, racist, hate monger, who happens to have the ears of a bunch of stupid **** bags like you."  So, Rush is a hate mongerer, but I'm a stupid **** (what that bleeped out, I don't know) because I like to listen to him on occasion?  Unbelievable. 

Signed, IABucFan, proud graduate of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.

P.S. I too have the utmost amount of respect for GB21 and anyone who has served our great nation in the Armed Services.  My younger brother just enlisted and will be beginning basic training at the end of the month.

[IABucFan]

I just wanted to say that I apologize if my last post was a bit harsh.  It is nothing against Possum personally, or anyone else for that matter.  It is simply my own critique of much of what is going on in America today.  I am a conservative, but I have many liberals as friends.  I respect their view points and they respect mine.  I'm only suggesting that there needs to be more balance.

[ECBucs]

It is ok with me if Rush buys a football team.

I don't think liberalism has run the country into the ground.  Liberalism has gotten us better food safety, medical regulation, polution control (just imagine what Pittsburgh would be like if there wasn't any environmental regulations (all were considered to be bad for business) etc.  There are very few Republicans who are really for free markets. They want controlled markets that are good for business.

 Libertarians are for free markets and as limited a government as possible but there aren't very many (I used to be in my college days).

[ECBucs]

Another point about liberals, is that there wouldn't be a USA without them. The conservatives supported the King.

[IABucFan]

Another point about liberals, is that there wouldn't be a USA without them. The conservatives supported the King.

I would argue that the definitions for "liberal" and "conservative" have shifted over the years.  Even today, in Europe, the term "liberal" has a vastly different meaning that what it has here.

I would also agree with you about libertarianism.  I guess as a conservative, I support capitalism, but not strict, absolute, laisez faire capitalism.  I do think the government has a role to play, sort of a check and balance on the free market.  However, I think the President is trying to place too much control into the hands of the government.  I'm fine with them checking the free market to a certain extent, but who checks the government?  Who checked the communist Russian government?  Who checks Fidel Castro?

Generally, I think the best policy is to have a few regulations in place, ensuring fair treatment for workers and as even a playing field as possible.  Then, let the free market compete and work itself out.  I think that the lower taxes are, the better because it's more money in the hands of the people, including, yes, the wealthy, so they can hire a new employee, or pay better wages, or spend their money reinvesting it back in the market.  In other words, I think someone like Donald Trump will more efficiently spend $100 than the federal government because of all the red tape the government has to deal with.  The beauracray of the government limits efficiency, which limits the effectiveness of government spending.

[scrapiron]

Possum, I want to respond to just two things that you wrote.  When I said anything goes if you are talking about fat people it was sardonic.  There are no PC police when it comes to fat jokes.  Of there were, Letterman would have a gag in his mouth. I know this because I am one of the countries millions of obese citizens.

As for GB21, I honor his service to the country, but wholeheartedly disagree with the politics he has been espousing.