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JuniorOrtiz
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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2008, 12:08:18 AM »

Va Pirate is right "You'd think the Pirates would manage to win a game by pure luck after awhile........."

Keep digging Dogknot3......
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2008, 12:16:06 AM »

   You can pick out cases against and cases for that "spring means nothing" discussion all day. If all he can remember is one positive, it basically sums up the season well because we lost alot. Still,its a team game,and this team is still losing no matter when it is. Todays game was vs a Tigers team that was barely there,Granderson,Sheffield and .... not even a decent starting pitcher

  Dont worry though,they wont lose thursday,they have Duke and Gorzo going plus theyre the home team,youll be lucky to see 3 Blue Jay starters
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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2008, 12:26:46 AM »

All my God...You Win.  Funny how you twisted VaPirate's post too.

I don't expect the Pirates to do much this year, but my reasoning has nothing to do with what happens in Spring Training.  I think we saw last year that Paulino's spring didn't carry over into the season.  I am sure you can find guys who did do well and also played well in the regular too.  

What happens in Spring Training doesn't mean the same thing is going to happen in the regualr season.  If you think I am "digging", my hole is going to be a lot bigger than yours as seven other posts in this thread agree with me.  Only 81omar and you think it matters.

  
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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2008, 05:53:26 AM »

  I said Im not worried...If i was worried that would mean I'd first have hope for the upcoming season which I dont...

I agree to an extent that spring training stats dont matter unless they are to one extreme whether it be good or bad. If the Pirates went 18-12 id say its just spring training,12-18 id say the same thing. If they win 1-5 games all spring well its not easy to say hey its just spring because that record would show they dont have anything in the entire organization.If they won 25 or more games then chances are they will be confident and they have to be very solid throughout.

The whole point is, nothing that happens during March should worry or excite you very much regardless of your outlook on the season, especially as it pertains to something as meaningless as team wins and losses. I have yet to see a single mention of a "losing streak" in any publication that regularly covers the Pirates. Management has not said anything about it, and nor have any of the players. There's a reason for that: they simply don't care. They don't care because it's not important in the slightest, at least not compared to whether Zach Duke looks as if he can get Major League hitters out on a regular basis ever again, whether Doug Mientkiewicz looks like he can handle positions other than first base, etc. Things like that are far and away the most important thing to come out of spring training. And if it means the Pirates log a horrid win-loss record on their way to finding these things out, what does it matter?

You bring up extremes, but even those can be pretty inconsequential. Remember how AWFUL Gorzelanny was last spring? Then he went out and was our most consistent starting pitcher throughout the year. Remember how great McCutchen looked at the plate, and people were even clamoring for him to be handed the starting center field job in the bigs? Then he went to AA and hit .220 for two months.

If the Pirates don't win a single game for the rest of the Grapefruit League schedule, I wouldn't so much as bat an eye.
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« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2008, 08:52:53 AM »

Are we seriously still debating ST wins and losses?  Unless you've just become a baseball fan you have got to know that they mean nothing.  I remember a year or two back the Bucs finished a copule of games over .500 in ST...they ended up losing 90 games.  It is practice....practice!!   Not a single stat counts.
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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2008, 03:16:58 PM »


Grab a shovel.  You guys can join me in digging a hole.  Lol Shocked

(I used one of those smiley face guys...awesome)
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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2008, 12:33:05 AM »

I think we did get some real news today: Duke.  I have no idea who he faced, but there is no doubt this is potentially significant.  Grozo fell apart.  That will be news only if his shoulder is messed up, and there is no real indication that is the case.  Pearce may be news before it's all over with.  Whether this "news" really means anything won't be know for a couple of months.

So ST is doing what it's suppose to do.   Throw Duke out there; figure out the bench, etc.  Plus the Bucco's won a game.....but that really is nothing compared to Duke's outting. 
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