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« on: February 26, 2008, 05:38:02 PM »

Pittsburgh Penguins did the Pirates un-thinkable and went out on a shoping spree. 

Penguins pull blockbuster trade for Marian HossaTuesday, February 26, 2008
By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
UNIONDALE, N.Y. -- Penguins general manager Ray Shero made a bold move minutes before the NHL trade deadline today, acquiring right winger Marian Hossa from Atlanta.

The Penguins sent forwards Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen, highly regarded prospect Angelo Esposito and a first-round draft choice to the Thrashers in the deal. They also received winger Pascal Dupuis from Atlanta.

Hossa, who is scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent this summer, has 26 goals and 30 assists in 60 games this season.

Before getting Hossa, the Penguins acquired defenseman Hal Gill from Toronto for second- and fifth-round draft choices.

Gill is physical, kills penalties and has done some of his best work against the league's top forwards, but his mobility is suspect and his game is not particularly tailored to the speed- and skill-oriented style of play in today's NHL.

Gill has two goals, 18 assists and 52 penalty minutes in 63 games this season

So very different from what we are seeing in Pirateland.  Good Job to Ray Shero for pulling off a HUGE trade and has positioned the Pens to go deep into the playoffs. 

Can you say "Payoffs"?  We don't say that much here.  New concept.
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 06:32:44 PM »

I think it's a bad trade. Shero gave too much to Atlanta even if the Pens resign Hossa. If Hossa leaves this summer...
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 06:35:26 PM »


But did these trades hurt the future? 

If the Pens don't win the Stanley Cup and can't sign Hossa, would you still think this was a good trade?

I am also not sure if a trade was needed since the best player in the world will be back very soon too.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 06:48:24 PM »

They dealt the future for a rent a wing... even if he can be signed, he is already 33 if I remember correctly... old by hockey standards.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 07:13:59 PM »

They dealt the future for a rent a wing... even if he can be signed, he is already 33 if I remember correctly... old by hockey standards.


Hossa's 29. He'll want one more huge contract before he's done. He'll be worth a huge contract, but maybe not worth it for the Pens to sign him instead of Malkin, Staal or Fleury.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008, 07:57:23 PM »

My bad... still, 30 (next year) makes him on the old side for hockey. Not the best move for the future, at least it seems like selling off the future for the present.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008, 11:43:23 PM »


But did these trades hurt the future? 

Not really, they have a fair amount of talent in the minor leagues.  In additon Armstrong and Christiansen were just spare parts for the Pens, neither has panned out to be a better than average player.  These guys are like your basic relief pitcher.  Can get them by the dozen.  Even the loss of the #1 draft choice will not hurt.  It most likely will be in the very late part of the round.

If the Pens don't win the Stanley Cup and can't sign Hossa, would you still think this was a good trade?

Don't count them out of the Hossa sweepstakes yet.  Who know, if they go deep in the playoffs Hossa may just sign with the Pens.  After all with Crosby and Malkin they do offer a better than average chance to win a Cup

I am also not sure if a trade was needed since the best player in the world will be back very soon too.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 12:21:00 PM »

I agree with Possum - we are not out of the Hossa sweepstakes and will have the best shot. 

Did we mortgage our future?   No, we did not.  We dealt away spare parts. "good" parts, but replaceable ones at that. 

The Penguins Management did something rare - They pulled the trigger to get better, gave up players to obtain players that they feel will get them to that "next level". 

In the span of a couple hours, the Penguins went from Good, expecting to make the playoffs - to VERY GOOD, and expected to go DEEP into the playoffs.  They did what it takes, took a chance and rolled the dice, pulled the trigger on a Real Deal.  The Club is instantly better, and we gave up almost nothing.  Lets hope that Hossa enjoys his time here and decides to go with a deal good enough to keep him here and good enough to allow us to keep our great players here too.  It just might happen, and it might be a part of one Great Moment in the Sporting World, as the Pens may once again hoist the Stanley Cup, and place thier names upon it one more time, the First time with Syd's name.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 01:31:39 PM »

Those are some pretty high ceiling spare parts... and who knows, that the 1st rounder could yield a 19 year old Crosby/Malkin that we'd rather have in his prime at 25 than a then 36 year old Hossa (if he is even playing by then)... I still contend that too much was spent for what... a rent a wing.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 03:37:07 PM »

They're not just buying Hossa with all that talent Jimbo, they are trying to bring home a championship.  To some, that cup is worth almost any cost.
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2008, 12:01:46 PM »

I think it's a bad trade. Shero gave too much to Atlanta even if the Pens resign Hossa. If Hossa leaves this summer...

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They dealt the future for a rent a wing... even if he can be signed, he is already 33 if I remember correctly... old by hockey standards.

I don't think they gave up too much, nor did they deal the future for Hossa.  The future of this team is with Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin and neither of those players is going to be going anywhere for a very long time.

Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen are both solid players, but nothing more.  Both were third liners on this team - meaning, they weren't important to our current or future success.  Colby's value to this team was greatest off the ice - his locker room presence is what is going to be missed most.  As far as his on ice ability, he was a grinder that we can replace.  Christensen was an inconsistent "goal scorer" that really didn't score that many goals.  He received the most playing time when he adapted his play to a style similar to Armstrong.  Again, that type of player can be replaced.

Both Colby and Christensen missed a considerable amount of time this season and it didn't hurt the team all that much.

Angelo Esposito is an unknown at this point.  What we do know is that he was a C that was blocked on the depth chart by 1) Sidney Crosby, 2) Evgeni Malkin, and 3) Jordan Staal.  All of those players are under 21 years old.  We have depth at the C position.  Deal from depth is the mantra.  That is what we did.

The first round pick shouldn't be that big of a loss, either.  Odds are good that it will be an extremely low first round pick.

The Penguins put themselves in an excellent position to go very deep in the playoffs without giving up any key players.  Everybody that is important to the future of this team - Crosby, Malkin, Whitney, Letang, Staal, and Fleury - are all still present and accounted for.  Even if Hossa leaves in the offseason, taking a real run at the Cup was worth moving a couple spare parts - even when those parts are fan favorites like Colby.

I think this was an EXCELLENT trade.  Both in terms of how it improves this team and prevents a team like Montreal from improving.  No other team in the East, outside of Washington, did anything to improve their team.  The Penguins catapulted themselves to the top of the heap in the East.  I would be very surprised if the Pens don't end up #1 in the East.

As far as their chances of re-signing Hossa...it is going to be tough.  Maybe Hossa will take less knowing that he would be a perennial 50 goal scorer and Cup favorite by staying in Pittsburgh.  I like to think that kind of mentality still exists in today's sports world.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2011, 07:05:23 AM »

funny to look back at this stuff..
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2011, 12:33:33 PM »

funny to look back at this stuff..

I consider the trade a wash. The Pens made a championship run, but traded bargaining chips to Atlanta for a player who left after the season. Since the Pens did not win the Cup that year, the trade failed to achieve the objective it was meant to serve.
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2011, 12:48:56 PM »

funny to look back at this stuff..

I consider the trade a wash. The Pens made a championship run, but traded bargaining chips to Atlanta for a player who left after the season. Since the Pens did not win the Cup that year, the trade failed to achieve the objective it was meant to serve.

The funny thing is, the only NHL guy still with either team is Pascal Dupuis. Christensen was traded to the Ducks for next to nothing and then claimed off waivers by the Rangers. Armstrong played for two years in Atlanta and then left via FA. Esposito is still with the Thrashers' minor league affiliate, but he's looking more and more like a bust. He spent last year in major juniors.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2011, 01:12:51 PM »

funny to look back at this stuff..

I consider the trade a wash. The Pens made a championship run, but traded bargaining chips to Atlanta for a player who left after the season. Since the Pens did not win the Cup that year, the trade failed to achieve the objective it was meant to serve.

The funny thing is, the only NHL guy still with either team is Pascal Dupuis. Christensen was traded to the Ducks for next to nothing and then claimed off waivers by the Rangers. Armstrong played for two years in Atlanta and then left via FA. Esposito is still with the Thrashers' minor league affiliate, but he's looking more and more like a bust. He spent last year in major juniors.

The Thrashers also got a first round pick out of the deal, which they traded to Phoenix, if my memory has it right. The trade was a bust for Atlanta, although it looked to be a clear win for the Thrashers.

I tend to forget about Dupuis! He was just a throw-in for the Pens but has been a valuable player over the years!
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