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« on: February 03, 2012, 02:46:33 PM » |
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...is terrible at baseball. Welcome aboard!
Even on a minor league deal I don't get things like this. There should be guys 6 years younger than this shlub available out there to fill a lefty bullpen role at AAA...on the off chance the younger guy might be able to help the Pirates down the road.
So let me get this straight. We miss out on a decent MLB first baseman who signed for $3 million elsewhere, while we keep signing chum like Tallet, Reyes, Cabrera to staash away at AAA (hopefully). Priorities. Out of whack. When can I sign up for my playoff tickets?
Go Neal!
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steve19981
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 03:05:54 PM » |
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What a great point. Clearly there wasn't room for Kotchman since they had an eye on Tallet this whole time. I've always said this organization needs to spend at least $10 million a year on a three way platoon at first base. Surely that would've put them over the top. And I'm sure Tallet is looking forward to taking up space in the Indy bullpen rather than retiring just like you thought. I would imagine that this is the beginning of a long fruitful relationship between Tallet and the Pirates organization and not just a last ditch effort to resurrect his career on the back of a good spring training. Top notch analysis. Keep up the good work.
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ECBucs
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 03:20:07 PM » |
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perhaps he is going to be a minor league coach soon.
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RJReynolds
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 03:33:14 PM » |
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What a great point. Clearly there wasn't room for Kotchman since they had an eye on Tallet this whole time. I've always said this organization needs to spend at least $10 million a year on a three way platoon at first base. Surely that would've put them over the top. And I'm sure Tallet is looking forward to taking up space in the Indy bullpen rather than retiring just like you thought. I would imagine that this is the beginning of a long fruitful relationship between Tallet and the Pirates organization and not just a last ditch effort to resurrect his career on the back of a good spring training. Top notch analysis. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Steve! I hope you are enjoying the off season just as much as I am. Perhaps even more! Clearly they aren't even thinking about a player like Kotchman because they already signed a AAAA player to platoon with GFJ. Awesome work by our GM! No way we could use a 29 year old lefty first baseman who OPS+'d 128 last year. Especially at $3 million or perhaps a bit more (pay him more to bring him to the Pirates...call it the tunnel tax). Because we already have GFJ and Nick Evans who we hope and pray can combine for an OPS+ of 110 for around the same price. No need for Kotchman due to the awesome off season we have had. We are all set at 1B. But lefties for the end of the AAA bullpen? Well...you can never have enough of them. Where's Jesse Orosco? RJR |
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steve19981
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 03:52:27 PM » |
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What a great point. Clearly there wasn't room for Kotchman since they had an eye on Tallet this whole time. I've always said this organization needs to spend at least $10 million a year on a three way platoon at first base. Surely that would've put them over the top. And I'm sure Tallet is looking forward to taking up space in the Indy bullpen rather than retiring just like you thought. I would imagine that this is the beginning of a long fruitful relationship between Tallet and the Pirates organization and not just a last ditch effort to resurrect his career on the back of a good spring training. Top notch analysis. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Steve! I hope you are enjoying the off season just as much as I am. Perhaps even more! Clearly they aren't even thinking about a player like Kotchman because they already signed a AAAA player to platoon with GFJ. Awesome work by our GM! No way we could use a 29 year old lefty first baseman who OPS+'d 128 last year. Especially at $3 million or perhaps a bit more (pay him more to bring him to the Pirates...call it the tunnel tax). Because we already have GFJ and Nick Evans who we hope and pray can combine for an OPS+ of 110 for around the same price. No need for Kotchman due to the awesome off season we have had. We are all set at 1B. But lefties for the end of the AAA bullpen? Well...you can never have enough of them. Where's Jesse Orosco? RJR You're right. Casey McGahee wasn't brought in to be a platoon player with Garrett Jones and Nick Evans is a lock to play there. Kotchman would have been a great signing at first. Who needs power at 1st base? Not us. This is the worst offseason in Pirates history. Neil should have easily been able to able to improve the team at shortstop, first base, catcher, 2 of the 5 starting rotation spots, and added a left and right handed set up man for the $18-25 million the team had available to spend to make this team into a contender. Instead, he's just sitting around waiting for internal options to emerge. Completely hopeless. It's posters like you who make this a great board. You don't alienate anyone. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 03:59:26 PM » |
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Tallet is chaff, which we have stockpiled but... Kotchman?  Yes, we do need power out of 1B. KC finally had a second acceptable year in his 8 year career in 2012 with a whopping .800 OPS including 10 HRs. <<<<< 4 years between ACCEPTABLE years isn't acceptable >>>>>. MEGA-Heee is the better bet in 2012 IMHO. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 04:03:14 PM » |
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Kotchman? Really?
With a large history (2500 ABs) of OPSing about .730, lets hand pick one of his few decent streaks of success and call it the norm. I wouldn't bring Kotchman in for any reason myself, as I expect him to regress to his norm.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 04:06:45 PM » |
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How can you not like him when he usually rocks this.......  In all seriousness he's only there for Spring Training depth. Nothing more nothing less. So everybody calm down please. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 04:07:01 PM » |
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Kotchman? Really?
With a large history (2500 ABs) of OPSing about .730, lets hand pick one of his few decent streaks of success and call it the norm. I wouldn't bring Kotchman in for any reason myself, as I expect him to regress to his norm.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. I'm disappointed that we haven't gotten a better 1B but had we signed Kotchman, people would be mad that we signed "another aging middle-of-the-road veteran." |
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 04:27:27 PM » |
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its hard to tell, for the price Kotchman isn't that much of a gamble (less than Overbay).
He and MaGehee are both risky and don't the cost for either is not that different (although it did cost a player to get MaGahee)
Both of them probably have a better chance to out produce Derek Lee in 2012 (if he decides to play).
If the odds are that Kotchman is going to regress what is the hope for Garrett Jones?
His ops against righties has been
2009 1046
2010 775
2011 808
Maybe he can match that against righties but maybe if he declines to 750 or lower he is not going to be a valuable platoon player.
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RJReynolds
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 05:18:57 PM » |
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So wait. Hold on. You are all "ok" with a platoon at first base that consists of:
GFJ - Should be an 110 OPS+ hitter against righties with adequate if a bit below average defense.
Mcgehee - Has played 22 innings at first base in his major league career and had a reverse split last year when he OPS'd .472 against lefties. A player who showed nothing in his minor league numbers that he could do what he did in 2009 and 2010.
So...Kotchman (at least an adequate first baseman defensively...certainly worlds better than a Mcgehee GFJ platoon) had a "career year" in 2011, so we should not even think about going with him. Yet we are all supposed to be fine with a platoon split where half of it is a guy who has played 22 innings in his career at the position and who mysteriously posted "career years" out of nowhere in 2009 and 2010 before regressing in 2011?
Not just because they're already here and they are part of "the plan" mind you. But because you truly believe that a platoon of those two will outperform Casey Kotchman in 2012? Based on, I suppose, the prayer that Mcgehee finds the right steroid combination that helped him in 2009 and 2010?
Sorry. I'll take the guy who had been a disappointment until finally hitting pretty well after having surgery on his eyes last year versus taking up two roster spots and praying one of the platoon players somehow finds out how to hit better than my 9 year old daughter while knowing whoever is at the position is going to give you subpar (at best) defense.
But yeah. I'm way off base here.
RJR
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 06:08:13 PM » |
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How is adding Kotchman to sit Jones an improvement? I know Kotchman is the better defensive player, but he is not really a better hitter. Adding Lee or someone else that is right handed makes sense, but not someone that is not going to be a better player than Jones. Pena is the guy they should have gone harder after. Kotchman's career year was not really that good for a 1B anyways.
And what does signing Brian Tallet have to do with Kotchman anyways? Or signing any player? That is one completely random connection.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 06:33:48 PM » |
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Not just because they're already here and they are part of "the plan" mind you. But because you truly believe that a platoon of those two will outperform Casey Kotchman in 2012? Based on, I suppose, the prayer that Mcgehee finds the right steroid combination that helped him in 2009 and 2010?
Making up baseless steroid rumors is a pretty weak way to try to win an argument. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 07:04:45 PM » |
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I'd prefer Jones/Evans as the platoon.
And if the expected range for Jones' OPS against righties is to use his 3 major league season, try that for Kotchman. Without looking it up I'd be pretty sure he's never had an OPS as high as Jones' best, and hi lowest is likely below Jones' worst.
To me, McGehee is Alvarez insurance, and insurance against the likely scenario of one of the corner IFers being injured for an extended time. He adds depth, just like McLouth does.
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RJReynolds
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2012, 07:27:42 PM » |
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Not just because they're already here and they are part of "the plan" mind you. But because you truly believe that a platoon of those two will outperform Casey Kotchman in 2012? Based on, I suppose, the prayer that Mcgehee finds the right steroid combination that helped him in 2009 and 2010?
Making up baseless steroid rumors is a pretty weak way to try to win an argument. It's a joke. He never had numbers in the minors like he magically did when he hit the majors in 2009 and 2010. Now he went crashing back to earth in 2011. The game of baseball is rife with examples of steroid users. Do I believe he used steroids in 2009 and 2010? No. Can I explain how he got better in the majors at age 26 than he was at any point in the minors? No. Besides, it's not as bad as suggesting the Pirates had Dana Eveland perform poorly on purpose so as to get him through waivers to AAA. Is it? RJR |
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