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« on: January 19, 2012, 04:33:59 PM » |
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I read on a Fangraphs chat one of the talking heads being questioned on Lincecum's arbitration outcome.
The Fangraphs guy said that Lincecum (who is a free agent after 2013) will "either sign a one, two or eight year contract.... nothing in between"
Don't you think Cutch is kind of similar. There is NO way he's signing a 5 or 6 year deal, only 2, 3, 4 or 7+.
Thoughts.....
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gnarburger
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 04:43:40 PM » |
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I don't think so. Lincecum will be turning 28 this year. He only has time for one big contract. McCutchen, at 25, could take a 5 or 6 year deal and still hit free agency at 30 with a second chance to cash in.
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gorillagogo
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 05:17:11 PM » |
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I don't think so. Lincecum will be turning 28 this year. He only has time for one big contract. McCutchen, at 25, could take a 5 or 6 year deal and still hit free agency at 30 with a second chance to cash in.
Yes but the likelihood of getting Carl Crawford money is so much lower at age 30. |
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 11:28:40 AM » |
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I read on a Fangraphs chat one of the talking heads being questioned on Lincecum's arbitration outcome.
The Fangraphs guy said that Lincecum (who is a free agent after 2013) will "either sign a one, two or eight year contract.... nothing in between"
Don't you think Cutch is kind of similar. There is NO way he's signing a 5 or 6 year deal, only 2, 3, 4 or 7+.
Thoughts.....
Yea, I do not see McCutchen signing a 5 year deal either, which I bet is a big sticking point, since that is what the Pirates likely want to sign him to. |
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ECBucs
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 11:30:11 AM » |
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I'm hoping that Cole and Taillon are lookng for Lincecum type money in 3 or 4 years.
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markson33
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2012, 01:23:34 PM » |
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I would not be surprised at all if Cutch is telling them 10 years or nothing. There is almost no reason for him to negotiate with the Pirates.
People want to call the Pirates cheap, but I would bet that the hold-up is on Andrew's side.
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RJReynolds
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 02:58:00 PM » |
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I would not be surprised at all if Cutch is telling them 10 years or nothing. There is almost no reason for him to negotiate with the Pirates.
People want to call the Pirates cheap, but I would bet that the hold-up is on Andrew's side.
You may be correct. Cutch does have a reason to negotiate with the Pirates, however. Guaranteed money. If he gets hurt or his play starts to go south...or both...he will have lost out on a chance to make a lot of money, while not giving up a whole lot by signing a 5 or 6 year deal. Maybe he would have to give up $15 million tops to guarantee that he gets $60 million over the course of a 6 year deal. That would not be easy for him to pass up. Also, the next big contract the current brain trust signs someone to will be the first one. Until I see them actually spend some money, I'm leaning towards them being the ones not coming to the table with a realistic offer. Maybe that's just me. But I doubt it. RJR |
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Xiga
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2012, 03:15:38 PM » |
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I really doubt it's just one side holding things up. Both sides likely have sticking points that are hard to overcome. I'm sure McCutchen would not mind the guaranteed money through his arbitration years. I'm guessing he is not going to easily give up any free agent years. The Pirates, on the other hand, will strongly want him to give up some free agency in return for guaranteed money now. But they're not going to guarantee his arbitration money unless they're getting something out of it too. And I think there are other factors involved too. It may especially be an issue for Cutch to give up any free agent years given the state of the organization. I don't blame him if he doesn't want to tie himself down or leave a significant amount of money on the table to a team that has, what, 19 straight losing seasons? I lost count.
It doesn't appear that NH's plan for locking up the young core is going the way he wanted it. I suspect the plan was to get Tabata and Walker on board which would be used as some incentive for Cutch to also make a commitment. They got Tabata done, but the inability to come to an agreement with Walker can't help their position with Cutch.
The Pirates are in a tough position with him. Another issue is that his value could skyrocket in the near future. He was having a superstar kind of season up until the All-Star break, but unfortunately he slumped so much in the second half that his overall numbers ended up around his career average. A good, but not great season. He's yet to put together an entire season of elite play. If I'm not mistaken, he also had a prolonged slump in 2010. I'd guess that might also be an area of disagreement between the sides because Cutch probably wants paid like a superstar but they don't want to give him that until he plays like one. But the price only figures to go up, as I think it's a given that he's going to have a big season in the near future.
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markson33
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 03:41:36 PM » |
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I guess I don't see much risk from Cutch's side of holding out. Yes he could be passing up guaranteed money, but the chances of him suffering a career ending or career debilitating injury are slim. The guaranteed money is a nice cushion, but its probably worth the risk to hold out.
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ECBucs
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2012, 04:06:58 PM » |
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I don't see much reason for Cutch to sign now either unless the Bucs offer him a boatload of money.
He probably believes (and I hope he is right) that the best is yet to come.
If he turns into a 300 hitter with 25 homers and 30 stolen bases he is in Matt Kemp territory salary wise.
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bradlej31
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2012, 07:34:30 PM » |
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Basically it boils down to this:
- Cutch have no pressing reason to give up any free agent years since they're not offering 7 or 8 years.
- The Pirates have no pressing reason to sign him and guarantee his arbitration years.
Cutch will just continue to play his butt off and produce good numbers for us (bad thing?) until two years from now when we trade him for a kings ransom OR break the bank and go something like 7/$125M.
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RJReynolds
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2012, 08:17:39 PM » |
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Basically it boils down to this:
- Cutch have no pressing reason to give up any free agent years since they're not offering 7 or 8 years.
- The Pirates have no pressing reason to sign him and guarantee his arbitration years.
Cutch will just continue to play his butt off and produce good numbers for us (bad thing?) until two years from now when we trade him for a kings ransom OR break the bank and go something like 7/$125M.
I shudder to think what Neal Huntington considers a kings ransom. Quick. Somebody hide his 2007 Baseball America prospect list. RJR |
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Dogknot3
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2012, 03:03:23 PM » |
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I guess I don't see much risk from Cutch's side of holding out. Yes he could be passing up guaranteed money, but the chances of him suffering a career ending or career debilitating injury are slim. The guaranteed money is a nice cushion, but its probably worth the risk to hold out.
More players fail in the majors than make it big. McCutchen would be smart to sign a five year deal now so he can actually make some money in case he doesn't pan out. McCutchen is holding up the deal because he does not want to give up a free agency year. |
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