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« on: January 10, 2012, 03:18:57 PM » |
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Fernando Martinez got DFAed today. I checked out his minor league stats and boy did the Mets screw him up.
As a 17 year old he played Rookie, A and High A for a totally of 76 games. So naturally they send him to AA the next year as an 18 year old where he only plays 63 games and struggles.
He repeats AA and does OK (.785 OPS) but not great. They send him the next year to AAA as a 20 year-old, where he is doing well, but then they bring him up after only 45 games and he bombs in 29 games in the big leagues.
He goes back to AAA and has a OK 75 games (.765 OPS) and then gets 7 games in the show (possibly a Sept call-up).
Last year, another mediocre showing in AAA followed by a mediocre showing in the majors.
I think he could have easily been an average ML if they wouldn't have rushed him so much. If they would have traded him back in 2009 he could have brought a king's ransom.
He's still only 23 and doesn't turn 24 until after next season (October birthday)
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 03:52:56 PM » |
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Another perfect example of why you can't get too enamored of teenage players just because they are young and have potential. FMart had a huge ceiling unless it was all hype. Yet, rushed or not, he hasn't lived up to expectations. Being young he still could make it in the majors and some club will give him a shot. I doubt he'll ever be the super stud player the Mets tagged him to be.
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There's something kind of eeEEEEeeehh about a kid that's never played baseball. --Foghorn Leghorn
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 04:15:29 PM » |
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Grant Brisbee, as usual, has an excellent take on this whole turn of events: The only thing missing from the collapse and immolation of the New York Mets was an easy-to-digest metaphor -- something that could explain the whole mess in a single sentence.
Well, other than "Jose Reyes went to the Marlins because the Mets couldn't afford him." Yeah, because that one's pretty much perfect. Lemme try again.
The only thing missing from the collapse and immolation of the New York Mets was a second easy-to-digest metaphor -- one more thing that could explain the whole mess in a single sentence. This one will do nicely, then. From Adam Rubin of ESPN New York: Fernando Martinez is on waivers because the Mets needed to make room for Scott Hairston. http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/1/10/2695294/fernando-martinez-new-york-mets-waivers |
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markson33
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 05:44:42 PM » |
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Another perfect example of why you can't get too enamored of teenage players just because they are young and have potential. FMart had a huge ceiling unless it was all hype. Yet, rushed or not, he hasn't lived up to expectations. Being young he still could make it in the majors and some club will give him a shot. I doubt he'll ever be the super stud player the Mets tagged him to be.
+1 If we didn't already have a plethora of OF I could easily see NH picking him up though. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 05:50:00 PM » |
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Another perfect example of why you can't get too enamored of teenage players just because they are young and have potential. FMart had a huge ceiling unless it was all hype. Yet, rushed or not, he hasn't lived up to expectations. Being young he still could make it in the majors and some club will give him a shot. I doubt he'll ever be the super stud player the Mets tagged him to be.
1. It's the Mets we are talking about here. Overhyped? Yep. 2. Injuries have severely hampered his development along the way. It is hard to say that expectations were totally blown out of proportion when the guy has yet to play more than 90 games in any single season (this was his sixth season in pro ball). 3. He never had a single season that would be considered of the breakout variety. With the exception of a small 45 game sample size in 1989, he never OPS'd .800 or higher. He had some decent/solid partial seasons but never a breakout season. 4. He is only 23 years old, so I assume someone is going to give him a chance. Sometimes these guys take more time...especially with the injuries being such a factor. Brandon Phillips comes to mind as an uber-prospect who just took longer to develop than anyone thought. RJR |
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 07:31:22 PM » |
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Don't we pick eighth in waiver claims? I think we are so used to having first choice on waiver claims, that we are forgetting that some other team is just as likely to claim him.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 08:53:54 PM » |
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Trade him straight up for Gorkys Hernandez before he gets claimed by the Astros.
Pirates have lots of speedy/CF rh hitting OF's types in the system. They have very little LH power, it's a stretch to say Martinez has the LH power the Pirates desire, but for me he has a better future than Gorkys. Fernandez has options remaining so he could spend the season at Indy to see if the potential is still there.
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markson33
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2012, 10:28:53 PM » |
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Are you sure he still has an option? It seems odd that the Mutts would DFA him if he did.
If so then the Pirates should claim him and send him to AAA. He could replace McLouth after he gets traded at the deadline.
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bradlej31
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2012, 10:50:44 PM » |
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Trade him straight up for Gorkys Hernandez before he gets claimed by the Astros.
Pirates have lots of speedy/CF rh hitting OF's types in the system. They have very little LH power, it's a stretch to say Martinez has the LH power the Pirates desire, but for me he has a better future than Gorkys. Fernandez has options remaining so he could spend the season at Indy to see if the potential is still there.
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I like this idea. You'd need to give up something to get him since I'm sure they'll get a couple offers. Gorkys would be attractive in Citi-field's huge outfield. |
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 03:17:50 AM » |
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Trade him straight up for Gorkys Hernandez before he gets claimed by the Astros.
Pirates have lots of speedy/CF rh hitting OF's types in the system. They have very little LH power, it's a stretch to say Martinez has the LH power the Pirates desire, but for me he has a better future than Gorkys. Fernandez has options remaining so he could spend the season at Indy to see if the potential is still there.
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I like this idea. You'd need to give up something to get him since I'm sure they'll get a couple offers. Gorkys would be attractive in Citi-field's huge outfield. If you believe this report-then it would indeed take a trade One scout guaranteed to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark that at least five teams will claim Mets outfielder Fernando Martinez, who is now on waivers (Twitter link)". Slider |
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scrapiron
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 09:29:43 AM » |
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Another perfect example of why you can't get too enamored of teenage players just because they are young and have potential. FMart had a huge ceiling unless it was all hype. Yet, rushed or not, he hasn't lived up to expectations. Being young he still could make it in the majors and some club will give him a shot. I doubt he'll ever be the super stud player the Mets tagged him to be.
1. It's the Mets we are talking about here. Overhyped? Yep. T here were plenty on this board that wanted the guy and thought he would be a superstar as well.
2. Injuries have severely hampered his development along the way. It is hard to say that expectations were totally blown out of proportion when the guy has yet to play more than 90 games in any single season (this was his sixth season in pro ball). Maybe injury did derail him, but that is the risk. A 19yo lighting up A ball still has a way to go and can easily be knocked out of the game by injuries. That is one reason I don't automatically rank the kids so high no matter how much potential they may have.
3. He never had a single season that would be considered of the breakout variety. With the exception of a small 45 game sample size in 1989, he never OPS'd .800 or higher. He had some decent/solid partial seasons but never a breakout season. 4. He is only 23 years old, so I assume someone is going to give him a chance. Sometimes these guys take more time...especially with the injuries being such a factor. Brandon Phillips comes to mind as an uber-prospect who just took longer to develop than anyone thought. So you're saying some players develop faster than others now? That someone who is 23 or 24 can still end up better than a 22 year old that had one season of video game numbers? I wonder if that might be the case regarding a certain 1B who shall remain nameless?
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There's something kind of eeEEEEeeehh about a kid that's never played baseball. --Foghorn Leghorn
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 09:51:04 AM » |
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Would Lambo get this done?
It seems like the Mets need someone who isn't on 40 man roster. I guess it depends on who else wants him.
Still the Mets have dropped him and they don't have a strong 40 man roster and couldn't find room for him.
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markson33
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 12:21:04 PM » |
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Lambo seems like a good option. At this point Gorkys might be a better prospect than FMart.
I would go a step further and offer them a guy like Quincy Latimore.
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RJReynolds
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 12:30:30 PM » |
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Scrap,
I see your point regarding injuries and agree that it is a risk. There is no such thing as a can't miss prospect. I remember back to when I used to collect cards as a kid...back in 1987 I bought a ton of Jackson Mets minor league team sets because they had Gregg Jeffries in them. I suppose Jeffries ended up having an acceptable major league career, but he seemed at the time like the second coming of Stan Musial.
That said, obtaining prospects is also the lowest cost way for a team with low revenue to try to compete with the big boys. If your talent evaluation team is worth anything at all, it just becomes a numbers game. A certain amount, mathematically, will become stars.
Rizzo already had a breakout year at age 21 in AAA in 2011. These players that we are talking about...be it Martinez or Milledge or Brandon Phillips...all of them had solid years at an early age, but none had a breakout year where the production met the talent. Rizzo had his at AAA in 2011. It did not translate to the majors, but he had as good a year as any that Pedro Alvarez ever had in his minor league career...and at a younger age. I would not think that anyone on this board would be happy to trade Alvarez and ZVR for a slap hitting A-ball infielder and a reliever with a good fastball who may be a setup man or eventual closer. That's exactly what the Padres did here.
As I said, it is a numbers game. The more young prospects you have in your system, eventualy some will pop. I would rather have more such players in the Pirates system than less. Rizzo is now among the top two or three prospects in the Cubs system, is a tremendous power threat, is a left handed first baseman, and is just 21 years old. I would have no problem trading a reliever like Hanrahan for a chance to get that into the Pirates system. He's by no means a guarantee to become a star. But he has a decent chance. I would have liked to have seen the results...good or bad...with him in a Pirates uniform instead of a Cubs uni.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 02:03:26 PM » |
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Pretty sure all the trade talk in this thread is moot since the reports have all been saying he was already on waivers.
Report now says he was claimed by an NL Central team, but speculation seems to be that it was the Astros.
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