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Re: Reynolds Requests Trade
Reply #30 - Dec 5th, 2022 at 2:06am
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Surgnbuck wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:14pm:
GreenWeenie wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 5:25pm:
liar and quitter my hind end.

He's among the better players in the game and deserves the same rewards as others receive.  If he can't get it from the Pittsburgh Pirates, he will get it from a competitor.

The Pirates- as always- have the money.

Does anyone truly think that Reynolds is asking for >30 mpy?  I don't.

He's doing his club a favor.  He's telling them that if they have no plans to pay him, then they're better off dealing him.  And, he's correct.

The Liars are anyone who has told us that they'll spend money when the time is right.

The Liars told us that the stadium would make us competitive.

The Liars told us that we'd be consistently competitive for championships.  We can't even win a division championship.

Be realistic. Most of the players who follow Reynolds have the same desire.  They know the Pirates.  Everyone does.


He's a liar and a quitter. Pure an simple. He's over rated here as a defender. Reynolds gets a free pass for everything he does and doesn't do. I wonder why that is?  He can't drive in a guy from third base for 4 months, not a peep. Hayes throws some seeds in his mouth, and he's villifed for life.

Real fair and balanced around here.


Same city that called Roberto Clemente a whiner until he died.

Same city that threw batteries at Dave Parker.

Same city that hated Barry Bonds.

Same city that badmouthed Andrew McCutchen.

Anyone around who knows baseball talent and respects it?

No wonder the guy wants traded.

No wonder we lose.
  

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Re: Reynolds Requests Trade
Reply #31 - Dec 5th, 2022 at 2:31am
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GreenWeenie wrote on Dec 5th, 2022 at 2:06am:
Surgnbuck wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:14pm:
GreenWeenie wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 5:25pm:
liar and quitter my hind end.

He's among the better players in the game and deserves the same rewards as others receive.  If he can't get it from the Pittsburgh Pirates, he will get it from a competitor.

The Pirates- as always- have the money.

Does anyone truly think that Reynolds is asking for >30 mpy?  I don't.

He's doing his club a favor.  He's telling them that if they have no plans to pay him, then they're better off dealing him.  And, he's correct.

The Liars are anyone who has told us that they'll spend money when the time is right.

The Liars told us that the stadium would make us competitive.

The Liars told us that we'd be consistently competitive for championships.  We can't even win a division championship.

Be realistic. Most of the players who follow Reynolds have the same desire.  They know the Pirates.  Everyone does.


He's a liar and a quitter. Pure an simple. He's over rated here as a defender. Reynolds gets a free pass for everything he does and doesn't do. I wonder why that is?  He can't drive in a guy from third base for 4 months, not a peep. Hayes throws some seeds in his mouth, and he's villifed for life.

Real fair and balanced around here.


Same city that called Roberto Clemente a whiner until he died.

Same city that threw batteries at Dave Parker.

Same city that hated Barry Bonds.

Same city that badmouthed Andrew McCutchen.

Anyone around who knows baseball talent and respects it?

No wonder the guy wants traded.

No wonder we lose.


Same city that continues to boo one of the greatest players ever in his sport who also requested a trade from Pittsburgh because the team could no longer afford him and was becoming non competitive: Jaromir Jagr!
  
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Re: Reynolds Requests Trade
Reply #32 - Dec 5th, 2022 at 8:50am
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Surgnbuck wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:14pm:
GreenWeenie wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 5:25pm:
liar and quitter my hind end.

He's among the better players in the game and deserves the same rewards as others receive.  If he can't get it from the Pittsburgh Pirates, he will get it from a competitor.

The Pirates- as always- have the money.

Does anyone truly think that Reynolds is asking for >30 mpy?  I don't.

He's doing his club a favor.  He's telling them that if they have no plans to pay him, then they're better off dealing him.  And, he's correct.

The Liars are anyone who has told us that they'll spend money when the time is right.

The Liars told us that the stadium would make us competitive.

The Liars told us that we'd be consistently competitive for championships.  We can't even win a division championship.

Be realistic. Most of the players who follow Reynolds have the same desire.  They know the Pirates.  Everyone does.


He's a liar and a quitter. Pure an simple. He's over rated here as a defender. Reynolds gets a free pass for everything he does and doesn't do. I wonder why that is?  He can't drive in a guy from third base for 4 months, not a peep. Hayes throws some seeds in his mouth, and he's villifed for life.

Real fair and balanced around here.

Asking for a trade doesn't make him a liar or a quitter. It's hard to find any athlete who doesn't say the right thing about being happy where he is, yet would take a better situation if one was available. It's up to BC as to whether Reynolds gets dealt. If he isn't, he'll be in the Bucs lineup in 2023. That's not quitting. 

You claim "His defensive play is awful." That's nonsense. You seem to want to compare him to Hayes. Neither was lights out driving in runs. Reynolds was .229 with RISP, Hayes was a similar .227.

You say, "Reynolds gets a free pass for everything he does and doesn't do." Where's, the free pass? Most if not all have expressed that it was a disappointing year for Reynolds even though many players would be happy with .262/.345/.461/.807 and 27 HRs. He dug a hole for himself with a slow start and was hitting just .216 as of June 8. But he was a very respectable .287 the rest of the season.

You say, "Hayes throws some seeds in his mouth, and he's vilified for life. Real fair and balanced around here." Hayes took a play off and ate while a runner ran past him at 3B with the ball in play. That's an on field conduct issue, not a performance issue. "Vilified for life" is hyperbole, but it is an incident he'll be known for and want to live down. I'm not aware of any on field conduct issues with Reynolds. So what was there to be given a free pass about? There's a huge difference between standing around and snacking in the middle of a play and failing to drive in a run. Comparing the 2 players on driving in runs from 3B vs standing around and eating during a play is hardly "fair and balanced."
  

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Re: Reynolds Requests Trade
Reply #33 - Dec 5th, 2022 at 9:17am
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Thank you, Bobster.  You express it very well.

This is a moment of truth.  What transpires here says a lot about our chances to improve to where we want to get.
  

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Reply #34 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 1:51am
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"The Blue Jays are a team to watch in the Bryan Reynolds market. They have interest in him and want to add an athletic switch hitter to their outfield. Based on strong industry interest, Jays would likely need to include Tiedemann or Martínez to have high offer." - Morosi

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1599909345885814784
  
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Re: Reynolds Requests Trade
Reply #35 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 2:23pm
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Two players as I was looking at other things, to consider Reynolds value.

Harrison Bader is similar in that he took a two year deal to avoid arbitration for two years, at 4.7 million each plus a 1 million signing bonus. Reynolds has outplayed him, and makes more.

Next guy is Luis Robert from the White Sox. He did a 6 year/50 million deal, with club options for 26/27 for 20 million or 2 million buyout. He also had a 26 million signing bonus coming from Cuba. Reynolds has outplayed him too over 20-22, but not by much.

It will be interesting to see where Bader and Reynolds go from here. Bader is a FA after this season, Reynolds still has ARB 3 and 4.  Knowing what Robert makes, and all three of them primarily centerfielders, I'd really love to know the figures exchanged with Reynolds.  It would come as no surprise to me that somehow or another, Robert and Bader and probably a couple of other mid tier CF's were in comparison. But we'll never know.

Robert is in the heavy lifting part of his contract, 9.5/12.5/15 million for 23-25, plus a guaranteed 2 million buyout in 26. He's three years younger than Reynolds.

A similar contract like this would be Reynold's Arb 3, Arb 4, and 1 year of FA on a three year extension. Would a 3/37 extension be a good contract for Reynolds? And if reports are true, that he is seeking an "8 figure" contract, can you even see that happening? In no world do I see Bryan Reynolds making over 100 million, unless it's a 10 year contract.

So tune in next winter, if Reynolds hasn't been extended by SOMEONE, let's see what Harrison Bader brings in. BTW, he's a year older than Reynolds.
  

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Re: Reynolds Requests Trade
Reply #36 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 2:51pm
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Surgnbuck wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 2:23pm:
Two players as I was looking at other things, to consider Reynolds value.

Harrison Bader is similar in that he took a two year deal to avoid arbitration for two years, at 4.7 million each plus a 1 million signing bonus. Reynolds has outplayed him, and makes more.

Next guy is Luis Robert from the White Sox. He did a 6 year/50 million deal, with club options for 26/27 for 20 million or 2 million buyout. He also had a 26 million signing bonus coming from Cuba. Reynolds has outplayed him too over 20-22, but not by much.

It will be interesting to see where Bader and Reynolds go from here. Bader is a FA after this season, Reynolds still has ARB 3 and 4.  Knowing what Robert makes, and all three of them primarily centerfielders, I'd really love to know the figures exchanged with Reynolds.  It would come as no surprise to me that somehow or another, Robert and Bader and probably a couple of other mid tier CF's were in comparison. But we'll never know.

Robert is in the heavy lifting part of his contract, 9.5/12.5/15 million for 23-25, plus a guaranteed 2 million buyout in 26. He's three years younger than Reynolds.

A similar contract like this would be Reynold's Arb 3, Arb 4, and 1 year of FA on a three year extension. Would a 3/37 extension be a good contract for Reynolds? And if reports are true, that he is seeking an "8 figure" contract, can you even see that happening? In no world do I see Bryan Reynolds making over 100 million, unless it's a 10 year contract.

So tune in next winter, if Reynolds hasn't been extended by SOMEONE, let's see what Harrison Bader brings in. BTW, he's a year older than Reynolds.


I don't think Harrison Bader is comparable at all other than he plays centerfield.  Lifetime average of 245, lifetime slugging of 405, compared to 281 and 481 for Reynolds.

Reynolds might go for a Robert contract though.   three years would only buy out one year of free agency if it started after this season.  I guess a lot depends on how soon Reynolds wants to get a long term contract or whether he is willing to go to arbitration a couple more times.  If he repeats last season he would certainly get over 10 million in 2024.
  
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Re: Reynolds Requests Trade
Reply #37 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 4:00pm
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I was using Bader and Robert simply because of where their contracts compare, they're all CF's.

Bader is a superior defender, and he isn't exactly a whiff at the bat. He's a FA next season, so I think it is fair to compare because  what he is able to command starts the ballpark for what Reynolds could be looking at. Of course, it's a two year difference, unless there's an extension with a year or two buyout of FA.

I like looking at Robert, and I think that's more the ballpark Reynolds will land.
  

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Reply #38 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 5:36pm
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Surgnbuck wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 4:00pm:
I was using Bader and Robert simply because of where their contracts compare, they're all CF's.

Bader is a superior defender, and he isn't exactly a whiff at the bat. He's a FA next season, so I think it is fair to compare because  what he is able to command starts the ballpark for what Reynolds could be looking at. Of course, it's a two year difference, unless there's an extension with a year or two buyout of FA.

I like looking at Robert, and I think that's more the ballpark Reynolds will land.

Luis Robert is very talented but has never been able to stay healthy. After an injury shortened 2021, the White Sox had high hopes for him in 2022. But the same thing happened. In 2021 it was a torn hip flexor. In 2022 it was a hand/wrist injury blurred vision and a groin injury. If he could ever stay healthy, his skill set is similar to Reynolds. But he seems to have a body that can't stand up to the rigors of baseball. I think the Sox would make that deal in a heartbeat because Reynolds is everything they thought they had in Robert if he could stay on the field. But it would be very risky for the Pirates.
  

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Reply #39 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 7:18pm
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3pirates3 wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 1:51am:
"The Blue Jays are a team to watch in the Bryan Reynolds market. They have interest in him and want to add an athletic switch hitter to their outfield. Based on strong industry interest, Jays would likely need to include Tiedemann or Martínez to have high offer." - Moro




I like the fat catcher the Jays have,they need to add him to any trade.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1599909345885814784

  
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Reply #40 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 7:32pm
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Andrew Heaney to the Rangers for 2/25 with an opt out for '23, and potential bonuses that could push it to 40 million.

Wow. Another splash move for a pitcher with quite the injury history.
  

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Reply #41 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 7:46pm
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I told my kid, I wish he'd played more baseball.  He responded with this:
I think I would hate baseball if I played it

A lot of the guys have terrible attitudes towards others
Its been the same no matter where I go high school, west  (college he used to go to)and here (one he goes to now)
There are guys who are nice of course not all of them are like that
But a big majority think they are “the stuff”


And I either would become one of them or hate being around it

I knew that a lot of students said similar things about the local high school baseball players but didn't expect my kid to feel the same way about college players.   

  
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Reply #42 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 10:09pm
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ChillinStation wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 7:18pm:
3pirates3 wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 1:51am:
"The Blue Jays are a team to watch in the Bryan Reynolds market. They have interest in him and want to add an athletic switch hitter to their outfield. Based on strong industry interest, Jays would likely need to include Tiedemann or Martínez to have high offer." - Moro




I like the fat catcher the Jays have,they need to add him to any trade.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1599909345885814784


I would be very pleased if the Pirates could get Tiedermann as part of the package for Reynolds. We need a stud LH dominating pitcher!
  
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Reply #43 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 10:11pm
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It's insanity in San Diego. Some of these contracts for middling players - or length of contract for fairly good players - are mind blowing. Seems like the GMs do this every few years and then come back to their senses for a couple (after signing too many albatross contracts) ... before doing it all over again.

Reynolds value goes up significantly when Haniger can get $43.5 for 3, or Bell can get $33 for two. Hoping someone will overpay just as insanely in prospects for him. I really think this is the year we need to make the trade.

  
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Reply #44 - Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:22am
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Before we get too upset with Reynolds, keep in mind these are all negotiations. One side or the other felt commenting on a trade would help with secondary pressure on the other. Aaron Judge had a complaint about this point with the Yankees:

"Before Opening Day and Judge’s deadline to reach a contract extension, GM Brian Cashman held a press conference in which he announced the Yankees had offered Judge a seven-year, $213 million that he turned down.

“We kind of said, ‘Hey, let’s keep this between us,’” Judge said. “I was a little upset that the numbers came out. I understand it’s a negotiation tactic. Put pressure on me. Turn the fans against me, turn the media on me. That part of it I didn’t like.”

If he wasn't willing to stay in Pittsburgh, he wouldn't be negotiating at all, he'd just play out his contract then go free-agent route - although he likely would be traded when the first big Arb award was threatened. As is, I expect him to be traded at the deadline this summer, assuming a decent year.
  
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