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Winter Meetings Begin Sunday
Nov 28th, 2022 at 7:47pm
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The Winter Meetings begin this Sunday and continue until Wednesday. It should be an interesting time for the Pirates, and the entire MLB. The Draft Lottery will be Tuesday, and the Rule 5 Draft is Wednesday. I would expect the Pirates to be involved in some free agent signings, especially for pitching. The rumor mill with discussions regarding the trading of Brian Reynolds will be plentiful. I hope a trade doesn’t happen because I like the present every day lineup. It has some legitimate hitters.
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 8:22pm
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Anything that's done to improve the 2023 roster, I'd be all for it.  If it's done for any other reason, sell it to someone else.  For example- Reynolds for a stud SP, I'll go along with it.  Reynolds for suspects?  No thanks.

  

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Reply #2 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 11:23pm
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On Sunday night, inductees will be announced by the Hall of Fame's Contemporary Era Committee. On the ballot are: Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Dale Murphy, Rafael Palmeiro and Curt Schilling.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 30th, 2022 at 10:45am
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There's an article in the Trib that suggests BC wants to focus on improving the MLB roster. Maybe the winter meetings will be interesting.

https://triblive.com/sports/pirates-gm-ben-cherington-plans-to-make-more-moves-t...
  

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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 3:00pm
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I see where one the Pirates rivals for having the lowest payroll in baseball, the Rays, just signed Zach Elfin to a 3 year $40 million deal; salaries of $11 mil for the next 2 years, with an $18 mil salary  in 2025.  This contract, along with the recent 1 years deals for Clevinger ($12 mil) and Boyd ($10 mil), illustrate just how expensive starting pitching that is either mediocre or no sure thing has become.

If BC is really interested in adding starting pitching, particularly pitching that has a greater likelihood of success, would the Bucs be willing to try and bring Quintana back on a 2 year deal?   The projected asking price is $24 mil or so, perhaps with some incentives for games started or innings pitched, and perhaps with an option for a 3rd year with a moderate buy-out cost (perhaps $2 mil).    Quintana is no sure thing, but he pitched well for both Pittsburgh and St. Louis last year, and he is a left-hander; something that the Bucs definitely need.

The Bucs have added some 'veteranosity' for the offense by bringing in Santana; albeit on a 1 year deal and at a much lesser cost.  Decent starting pitching, however, appears to be coming at a much higher price tag than offense. 

Lastly, with the costs of starting pitching, such as noted above, I again suggest that BC should be working to lock up Keller and Contreras on longer term deals.
  
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Re: Winter Meetings Begin Sunday
Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:09pm
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MaineBucs wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 3:00pm:
I see where one the Pirates rivals for having the lowest payroll in baseball, the Rays, just signed Zach Elfin to a 3 year $40 million deal; salaries of $11 mil for the next 2 years, with an $18 mil salary  in 2025.  This contract, along with the recent 1 years deals for Clevinger ($12 mil) and Boyd ($10 mil), illustrate just how expensive starting pitching that is either mediocre or no sure thing has become.

If BC is really interested in adding starting pitching, particularly pitching that has a greater likelihood of success, would the Bucs be willing to try and bring Quintana back on a 2 year deal?   The projected asking price is $24 mil or so, perhaps with some incentives for games started or innings pitched, and perhaps with an option for a 3rd year with a moderate buy-out cost (perhaps $2 mil).    Quintana is no sure thing, but he pitched well for both Pittsburgh and St. Louis last year, and he is a left-hander; something that the Bucs definitely need.

The Bucs have added some 'veteranosity' for the offense by bringing in Santana; albeit on a 1 year deal and at a much lesser cost.  Decent starting pitching, however, appears to be coming at a much higher price tag than offense. 

Lastly, with the costs of starting pitching, such as noted above, I again suggest that BC should be working to lock up Keller and Contreras on longer term deals.      

I think the Rays know they have to spend, they've been called out too for the frugal ways. Their model was working to an extent, but I think everyone could see they couldn't do it simply on developing and playing their own guys. I know there's no magical number for spending. The Dodgers sat guys off their playoff roster who made more than the Pirates entire roster. Got them a great season, and a first round bounce. But you knew they'd be there. The Rays, you knew they'd have a competitive team, but you didn't know if they were going to make the playoffs, even with the extra wild card. They got a first round bounce too. On a yearly basis, I'd take the Dodgers chances. I think the Pirates realize, even if they hit a bunch of HR's with their guys, they know they have to spend somewhere, either retention or FA. Cleveland gave it a nice run. We've seen that so often. We do know a certain magic number though....top 15. Would the Rays or Cleveland have enhanced their chances had they at least "went for it" and spent up to that level, even for a season? We'll never know,. I just hope the Pirates do, but we all know the likelihood of that!
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 7:25pm
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With the no mention of having placed them on waivers (Ali Sanchez waived, claimed by Arizona; Miguel Yajure waived, claimed by San Francisco) the Pirates 40 man roster sits at 38 now.

Are they lining up a FA, a trade, or making room for Rule 5? Yajure is the real head scratcher to me, I thought they were still pretty high on him. Regardless, there is absolutely zilch mentioned anywhere about these guys being put on waivers.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 8:17pm
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Surgnbuck wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 7:25pm:
With the no mention of having placed them on waivers (Ali Sanchez waived, claimed by Arizona; Miguel Yajure waived, claimed by San Francisco) the Pirates 40 man roster sits at 38 now.

Are they lining up a FA, a trade, or making room for Rule 5? Yajure is the real head scratcher to me, I thought they were still pretty high on him. Regardless, there is absolutely zilch mentioned anywhere about these guys being put on waivers.

Appears to be an interesting Winter Meetings coming up. The Pirates are making room for a trade, free agent signing or signings, or a Rule 5 selection. Since they waived players already they must have a good idea they are close to a free agent signing, or trade.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:06am
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fjk090852-7 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 8:17pm:
Surgnbuck wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 7:25pm:
With the no mention of having placed them on waivers (Ali Sanchez waived, claimed by Arizona; Miguel Yajure waived, claimed by San Francisco) the Pirates 40 man roster sits at 38 now.

Are they lining up a FA, a trade, or making room for Rule 5? Yajure is the real head scratcher to me, I thought they were still pretty high on him. Regardless, there is absolutely zilch mentioned anywhere about these guys being put on waivers.

Appears to be an interesting Winter Meetings coming up. The Pirates are making room for a trade, free agent signing or signings, or a Rule 5 selection. Since they waived players already they must have a good idea they are close to a free agent signing, or trade.

Interesting that the two guys are positions they needed to address. Yajure has more than just wet feet at the MLB level. Surprised he couldn't have been traded in some sort of package. Which leads me to believe, they're bringing in a FA or two.
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 6:28am
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Jacob deGrom signs a five year deal with the Rangers.  There's an option for a sixth year.
  
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Reply #10 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 7:01am
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Doc wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 6:28am:
Jacob deGrom signs a five year deal with the Rangers.  There's an option for a sixth year.

Guys on the MLB for the most part shocked, calling it an overpay. However, they go on to say that it's also in part to get people to the new stadium, and I guess there's a whole experience around the stadium too. So it's not just DeGrom the newest ace pitcher, he's also the number one attraction.

I can't wait to see what someone pays Verlander now.
  

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Reply #11 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 7:17am
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Surgnbuck wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 7:01am:
Doc wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 6:28am:
Jacob deGrom signs a five year deal with the Rangers.  There's an option for a sixth year.

Guys on the MLB for the most part shocked, calling it an overpay. However, they go on to say that it's also in part to get people to the new stadium, and I guess there's a whole experience around the stadium too. So it's not just DeGrom the newest ace pitcher, he's also the number one attraction.

I can't wait to see what someone pays Verlander now.


The Rangers have spent a boatload over the past couple of seasons, and they may not be done. 

Verlander and his agent must be salivating.
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 11:57am
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Cutting players before the Rule 5 draft suggests they are looking at someone there. I thought I saw that you can only select someone in the draft if you have an open spot on your 40-man roster (I may well be mistaken, though). They could always DFA someone if they signed a free agent or made a trade necessitating a spot.
  
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Reply #13 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 1:15pm
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The roster, as would be expected for a team with a record as lousy as the Pirates and that is loaded with mediocre players, appears to be in a constant state of flux.   Three more players designated in the past 3 days; Diaz, Yajure, Sanchez, and only 1 of them, saw any time in the minors or majors with the Pirates last year. 

I know that every team regularly uses the designated/waiver process to retool their roster, but I do at least take a bit of comfort in the fact that quite a few of the players the Pirates designated this year, the 3 above as well as Fernandez and Park (subsequently traded), and even Sulser (overseas), found 40 man roster spots with other teams. 

I also hope that all of this recent movement is a sign that the Pirates will be adding more 'talent' to the major league team.
Clearly, someone needs to be added at catcher.

And, even with all of the recent moves, there clearly are more opportunities to remake the roster, although I would hope that most future moves involve trades rather than outright designations.  I believe the players who likely fit into this category include: Ramirez, Thompson, Stephenson, Underwood, Castillo, Marcano, Vilade (still don't understand the interest, but he is still quite young), and perhaps even Swaggerty and Smith-Njiba.
  
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Reply #14 - Dec 3rd, 2022 at 1:56pm
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MaineBucs wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 1:15pm:
The roster, as would be expected for a team with a record as lousy as the Pirates and that is loaded with mediocre players, appears to be in a constant state of flux.   Three more players designated in the past 3 days; Diaz, Yajure, Sanchez, and only 1 of them, saw any time in the minors or majors with the Pirates last year. 

I know that every team regularly uses the designated/waiver process to retool their roster, but I do at least take a bit of comfort in the fact that quite a few of the players the Pirates designated this year, the 3 above as well as Fernandez and Park (subsequently traded), and even Sulser (overseas), found 40 man roster spots with other teams. 

I also hope that all of this recent movement is a sign that the Pirates will be adding more 'talent' to the major league team.
Clearly, someone needs to be added at catcher.

And, even with all of the recent moves, there clearly are more opportunities to remake the roster, although I would hope that most future moves involve trades rather than outright designations.  I believe the players who likely fit into this category include: Ramirez, Thompson, Stephenson, Underwood, Castillo, Marcano, Vilade (still don't understand the interest, but he is still quite young), and perhaps even Swaggerty and Smith-Njiba.         


It seems pretty obvious the Bucs like Vilade. The Covid missing season makes it harder to get a grip on these players, but maybe there is something there. While his 2022 season didn't seem impressive, he was obviously working on things as he walked a lot more bringing his OBP up above .350 and he doesn't strike out a lot His early stats prior to 2020 in A ball are pretty solid.

Also, these recent moves show my little tantrum about not protecting enough players in the Rule V was a bit premature. Obviously a bigger plan is in place than I anticipated. I, for one, would love to get Quintana back.

Lastly, I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I've been in the trade Reynolds this year mode for awhile now. The trick is we need as couple of very good major league ready, and controllable, players in return.He is our last decent piece to get a return to get is over this dang hump. Pull the trigger, his value is high.
  
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