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Reply #15 - Nov 24th, 2022 at 6:49pm
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Well this guy seems like a good pickup to me. Gold glove types at the corners is a start. Now lets find someone to help these guys hit.
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 25th, 2022 at 7:38am
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A good first baseman pickup to me looked like Adam LaRoche.  This guy doesn't look like any Adam LaRoche.

At the very most, he looks adequate, and I'm not sure about that.

I'm a bit surprised that we had to go external to find a first baseman who can't hit.

I side with Surg on this part of what he wrote.  We can do better.  And, if we can't, then I don't want to know about it.
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 25th, 2022 at 9:26am
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GreenWeenie wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 7:38am:
A good first baseman pickup to me looked like Adam LaRoche.  This guy doesn't look like any Adam LaRoche.

At the very most, he looks adequate, and I'm not sure about that.

I'm a bit surprised that we had to go external to find a first baseman who can't hit.

I side with Surg on this part of what he wrote.  We can do better.  And, if we can't, then I don't want to know about it.

LaRoche was acquired the year after hitting .285 with 32 HRs and 90 RBIs. So he was a known commodity; a productive player. In order to obtain him, they traded Mike Gonzalez who, at the time, had emerged as one of the top relievers in MLB. (Unfortunately, injuries plagued him the rest of his career.)

Diaz has never (at least so far) been able to hit MLB pitching and cost nothing because he was picked up on waivers. It's just another dumpster dive. It's how they operate. LaRoche was acquired to bring his proven abilities to the Pirates and make them stronger. Diaz was acquired just to find out if he could do well enough to make the team in ST. If he flops in ST (which would not be surprising and is probably more likely than not), he would probably clear waivers (he's out of options) and be assigned to AAA. That would be a hedge against losing Malcolm Nunez (who was inexplicably not protected) in Rule 5.
  

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Re: Pirates Claim L. Díaz
Reply #18 - Nov 25th, 2022 at 9:59am
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Bobster wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 9:26am:
GreenWeenie wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 7:38am:
A good first baseman pickup to me looked like Adam LaRoche.  This guy doesn't look like any Adam LaRoche.

At the very most, he looks adequate, and I'm not sure about that.

I'm a bit surprised that we had to go external to find a first baseman who can't hit.

I side with Surg on this part of what he wrote.  We can do better.  And, if we can't, then I don't want to know about it.

LaRoche was acquired the year after hitting .285 with 32 HRs and 90 RBIs. So he was a known commodity; a productive player. In order to obtain him, they traded Mike Gonzalez who, at the time, had emerged as one of the top relievers in MLB. (Unfortunately, injuries plagued him the rest of his career.)

Diaz has never (at least so far) been able to hit MLB pitching and cost nothing because he was picked up on waivers. It's just another dumpster dive. It's how they operate. LaRoche was acquired to bring his proven abilities to the Pirates and make them stronger. Diaz was acquired just to find out if he could do well enough to make the team in ST. If he flops in ST (which would not be surprising and is probably more likely than not), he would probably clear waivers (he's out of options) and be assigned to AAA. That would be a hedge against losing Malcolm Nunez (who was inexplicably not protected) in Rule 5.


this sure doesn't look like they have much confidence in Nunez becoming a good MLB player.
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 25th, 2022 at 11:27am
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Bobster wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 9:26am:
GreenWeenie wrote on Nov 25th, 2022 at 7:38am:
A good first baseman pickup to me looked like Adam LaRoche.  This guy doesn't look like any Adam LaRoche.

At the very most, he looks adequate, and I'm not sure about that.

I'm a bit surprised that we had to go external to find a first baseman who can't hit.

I side with Surg on this part of what he wrote.  We can do better.  And, if we can't, then I don't want to know about it.

LaRoche was acquired the year after hitting .285 with 32 HRs and 90 RBIs. So he was a known commodity; a productive player. In order to obtain him, they traded Mike Gonzalez who, at the time, had emerged as one of the top relievers in MLB. (Unfortunately, injuries plagued him the rest of his career.)

Diaz has never (at least so far) been able to hit MLB pitching and cost nothing because he was picked up on waivers. It's just another dumpster dive. It's how they operate. LaRoche was acquired to bring his proven abilities to the Pirates and make them stronger. Diaz was acquired just to find out if he could do well enough to make the team in ST. If he flops in ST (which would not be surprising and is probably more likely than not), he would probably clear waivers (he's out of options) and be assigned to AAA. That would be a hedge against losing Malcolm Nunez (who was inexplicably not protected) in Rule 5.


Agree with your assessment and the recollection of the LaRoche addition, though I sure hope that you're wrong on the "just how they operate" piece.

It's just how they've operated to date, which is all that we can go by. 

I am probably naïve.  I'd rather say 'optimistic,' and think that this is temporary and for not much longer. 

We can do better today. (meaning- in time for 2023 Opening Day.)  Surely, we're not done.  It's only the end of November.
  

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Reply #20 - Nov 25th, 2022 at 12:38pm
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Everyone complained about LaRoche when he was here. Embarrassed

I don`t get so frustrated like most about Pirates spending . I mean come on, they have never spent before. You know this !!! So, I like when we go after these prospects. 
  
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Reply #21 - Nov 25th, 2022 at 1:07pm
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CS,

I dont recall any complaints when LaRoche was acquired.  They came after disappointing starts to seasons.  That's a big difference in situations.

The Pirates haven't always been bargain basement.  That just isn't true.

If moves like this help the team improve, great.  I dont expect a move like this to make a big difference.  Let's hope that it will, of course.
  

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Reply #22 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 3:03pm
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Orioles claim Lewin Diaz.   Lewin --- we hardly knew you.
  
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