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Pirates Claim L. Díaz
Nov 22nd, 2022 at 1:49pm
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"Pirates claimed First Baseman Lewin Díaz from the Marlins off waivers per source." - Mish

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status/1595123826857508865

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/diazle01.shtml
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 2:37pm
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Diaz has had trouble hitting in the Majors, but he is a very good fielding first baseman. If they could get him to hit, our corner infielders would be second to none.
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 7:56pm
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fjk090852-7 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:
Diaz has had trouble hitting in the Majors, but he is a very good fielding first baseman. If they could get him to hit, our corner infielders would be second to none.


40 man roster is now full?
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 8:04pm
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Ecbucs wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 7:56pm:
fjk090852-7 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:
Diaz has had trouble hitting in the Majors, but he is a very good fielding first baseman. If they could get him to hit, our corner infielders would be second to none.


40 man roster is now full?

Looked at roster and Park is no longer listed. Guess he was designated for assignment.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 23rd, 2022 at 5:27am
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fjk090852-7 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 8:04pm:
Ecbucs wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 7:56pm:
fjk090852-7 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:
Diaz has had trouble hitting in the Majors, but he is a very good fielding first baseman. If they could get him to hit, our corner infielders would be second to none.


40-man roster is now full?

Looked at roster and Park is no longer listed. Guess he was designated for assignment.


The Trib confirms that Park has been designated for assignment.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2022 at 7:27am
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Diaz is out of options.
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 23rd, 2022 at 5:48pm
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I was really hoping to see an end to moves like these. I wanted to see some movement forward with quality trades, FA pickups, not dumpster dives. You pick this guy up and let Park go? Hard to see him not clearing waivers.

What do I know. I've been in GMBC's corner every step of the way. This offseason, he's starting to make me wonder. This is all two years ago.
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 23rd, 2022 at 7:51pm
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Bucs trade Hoy Park to the Red Sox for LH Pitcher Inmer Lobo.
He is 18 years old and just finished his pro debut in the DSL.whatever that is
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 23rd, 2022 at 8:24pm
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Surgnbuck wrote on Nov 23rd, 2022 at 5:48pm:
I was really hoping to see an end to moves like these. I wanted to see some movement forward with quality trades, FA pickups, not dumpster dives. You pick this guy up and let Park go? Hard to see him not clearing waivers.

What do I know. I've been in GMBC's corner every step of the way. This offseason, he's starting to make me wonder. This is all two years ago.

I believe BC is just taking a flier on Diaz. If he doesn't impress in ST, he'll be waived and if he clears waivers, outrighted to AAA. What is particularly odd is that BC just obtained Choi and now adds another LH hitting 1Bman with no options. But I guess Choi could DH if Diaz works out.

But both of those moves suggest to me that BC has finally accepted that any significant payroll increase is out of the question and he must look to these types of players rather than acquiring established, productive players. When first hired, he repeated the team mantra of "We'll spend when the time is right." (Queue the laugh track.) I think he actually believed that and was probably lied to by Nutting in the hiring process. But recent comments from BC have tampered down any expectations that that could actually happen. The fact that BC oversees a team that is trying to improve each year and has an acute need at 1B and has turned to players like Choi and Diaz to fill that need suggests to me that he has given up on the idea of acquiring quality players and is resigned to aiming low and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. BC is probably regretting signing on with Nutting.
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 23rd, 2022 at 8:48pm
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Bobster wrote on Nov 23rd, 2022 at 8:24pm:
Surgnbuck wrote on Nov 23rd, 2022 at 5:48pm:
I was really hoping to see an end to moves like these. I wanted to see some movement forward with quality trades, FA pickups, not dumpster dives. You pick this guy up and let Park go? Hard to see him not clearing waivers.

What do I know. I've been in GMBC's corner every step of the way. This offseason, he's starting to make me wonder. This is all two years ago.

I believe BC is just taking a flier on Diaz. If he doesn't impress in ST, he'll be waived and if he clears waivers, outrighted to AAA. What is particularly odd is that BC just obtained Choi and now adds another LH hitting 1Bman with no options. But I guess Choi could DH if Diaz works out.

But both of those moves suggest to me that BC has finally accepted that any significant payroll increase is out of the question and he must look to these types of players rather than acquiring established, productive players. When first hired, he repeated the team mantra of "We'll spend when the time is right." (Queue the laugh track.) I think he actually believed that and was probably lied to by Nutting in the hiring process. But recent comments from BC have tampered down any expectations that that could actually happen. The fact that BC oversees a team that is trying to improve each year and has an acute need at 1B and has turned to players like Choi and Diaz to fill that need suggests to me that he has given up on the idea of acquiring quality players and is resigned to aiming low and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. BC is probably regretting signing on with Nutting. 



I think you are right about payroll.  Newman had to be dealt or non-tendered in order to cover money being made by Choi.  To me, it looks like the 2023 payroll isn't going to be much different than 2022 payroll. 
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 23rd, 2022 at 11:46pm
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Bobster wrote on Nov 23rd, 2022 at 8:24pm:
Surgnbuck wrote on Nov 23rd, 2022 at 5:48pm:
I was really hoping to see an end to moves like these. I wanted to see some movement forward with quality trades, FA pickups, not dumpster dives. You pick this guy up and let Park go? Hard to see him not clearing waivers.

What do I know. I've been in GMBC's corner every step of the way. This offseason, he's starting to make me wonder. This is all two years ago.

I believe BC is just taking a flier on Diaz. If he doesn't impress in ST, he'll be waived and if he clears waivers, outrighted to AAA. What is particularly odd is that BC just obtained Choi and now adds another LH hitting 1Bman with no options. But I guess Choi could DH if Diaz works out.

But both of those moves suggest to me that BC has finally accepted that any significant payroll increase is out of the question and he must look to these types of players rather than acquiring established, productive players. When first hired, he repeated the team mantra of "We'll spend when the time is right." (Queue the laugh track.) I think he actually believed that and was probably lied to by Nutting in the hiring process. But recent comments from BC have tampered down any expectations that that could actually happen. The fact that BC oversees a team that is trying to improve each year and has an acute need at 1B and has turned to players like Choi and Diaz to fill that need suggests to me that he has given up on the idea of acquiring quality players and is resigned to aiming low and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. BC is probably regretting signing on with Nutting. 


Where I disagree is thinking that Ben was misled by Nutting..  As connected in the industry as he is, there is no way he could/should have allowed any ambiguity.  If he didn't require certain agreements be put in writing in his contract, that's on him.  I hold the opinion that Cherington knew exactly all that he was getting himself into.

One former MLB GM said on air that no candidate should accept the Pirates job without an agreed-upon minimum payroll written into his contract.  That's how well-known Nutting's track record is.  If Cherington took Nutting only at his word, then it causes me even more concern about his judgement.
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2022 at 7:51am
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Ecbucs wrote on Nov 23rd, 2022 at 8:48pm:
Bobster wrote on Nov 23rd, 2022 at 8:24pm:
Surgnbuck wrote on Nov 23rd, 2022 at 5:48pm:
I was really hoping to see an end to moves like these. I wanted to see some movement forward with quality trades, FA pickups, not dumpster dives. You pick this guy up and let Park go? Hard to see him not clearing waivers.

What do I know. I've been in GMBC's corner every step of the way. This offseason, he's starting to make me wonder. This is all two years ago.

I believe BC is just taking a flier on Diaz. If he doesn't impress in ST, he'll be waived and if he clears waivers, outrighted to AAA. What is particularly odd is that BC just obtained Choi and now adds another LH hitting 1Bman with no options. But I guess Choi could DH if Diaz works out.

But both of those moves suggest to me that BC has finally accepted that any significant payroll increase is out of the question and he must look to these types of players rather than acquiring established, productive players. When first hired, he repeated the team mantra of "We'll spend when the time is right." (Queue the laugh track.) I think he actually believed that and was probably lied to by Nutting in the hiring process. But recent comments from BC have tampered down any expectations that that could actually happen. The fact that BC oversees a team that is trying to improve each year and has an acute need at 1B and has turned to players like Choi and Diaz to fill that need suggests to me that he has given up on the idea of acquiring quality players and is resigned to aiming low and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. BC is probably regretting signing on with Nutting. 



I think you are right about payroll.  Newman had to be dealt or non-tendered in order to cover money being made by Choi.  To me, it looks like the 2023 payroll isn't going to be much different than 2022 payroll. 

Here's a couple comments from BC about the 2023 payroll:

“I don’t believe focusing on payroll is the right thing to focus on in a town like Pittsburgh,” Cherington said. “In a place where a winning team isn’t going to be built like it is in other places. It’s not the thing we think about.”

“It’s not what we focus on. It’s up to us to execute a strategy, a team-building process that builds a winning team in a way that you have to do it in a place like Pittsburgh. That’s being done in other places, we see models of that right now in the playoffs.”

https://www.audacy.com/937thefan/sports/pittsburgh-pirates/bucs-gm-asked-will-th...

“I would bet on it being higher than it was in 2022 but don’t know precisely,” Cherington said of the Pirates’ payroll. “Whatever the number ends up being, it’s sort of secondary importance to all the other stuff that we’re focused on this offseason ... which is making the team better, whether that’s through internal improvement or finding the right acquisitions or finding the right fits in free agency or trade.”
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2022/11/19/pirates-general-manager-b...

BC should be a politician. He tells us we shouldn't focus on payroll because all that matters is that the team gets better. Sure, that's a nice spin on the problem. But it is a problem. Because improvement of the team relies upon how well prospects develop into major leaguers and whatever production--if any--they can get from 2nd and 3rd tier veterans taken off the inexpensive MLB scrap heap. Improvement is never assisted by the addition of productive veterans unless they are reclamation projects who turn out to be surprisingly effective.

You don't improve a team simply by throwing money at it. So a higher payroll doesn't guarantee improvement. But OTOH, refusing to keep or acquire productive players in order to keep the payroll extremely low is a guarantee for not improving. 

  

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Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2022 at 8:35am
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To a point, he's right.

Payroll in 2023 isn't much of a factor.  It's obvious that they're maintaining the status quo of focusing on less-experienced, thus lower-priced talent.  And, factory rejects.

That tune's got to change at some point- if any of them are worth keeping.  That's when the price tag grows exponentially. 

The first sign to me is whether they keep Bryan Reynolds.
  

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Reply #13 - Nov 24th, 2022 at 12:46pm
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GreenWeenie wrote on Nov 24th, 2022 at 8:35am:
To a point, he's right.

Payroll in 2023 isn't much of a factor.  It's obvious that they're maintaining the status quo of focusing on less-experienced, thus lower-priced talent.  And, factory rejects.

That tune's got to change at some point- if any of them are worth keeping.  That's when the price tag grows exponentially. 

The first sign to me is whether they keep Bryan Reynolds.

Why would Reynolds want to stay? He'll be a FA in 2026 at age 31. He'll get great offers from teams much better than the Pirates. And at 31, he'll have to be thinking about whether he'll ever get into post season play as a Pirates if he signs an extension (even if the money was fair). I suspect he would refuse any extension to buy out FA years, which will result in him being traded in 2024 or 2025 since he would have good trade value but would walk as a FA in 2026 for which they would get nothing in return.
  

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Reply #14 - Nov 24th, 2022 at 2:31pm
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I'm not attempting to be a smart ass and, I'm not naive.  I'll answer as best I can.

I dont know the truth.  I don't know Reynolds or BOB at all.  So, I can just say the possible answers.

Many people like stability.  I don't know if he's one.  But, if he enjoys the team enough, he might be the kind of guy who would stay if he was offered what he wants.

I dont know Andrew McCutchen, either.  He may have been telling the truth when he said that he wanted to stay.  He could've been lying, too.

Some people enjoy being bigger fish in smaller ponds as opposed to being just one of a dozen stars on Hollywood Boulevard or Madison Avenue.

Maybe the guy would stay if he saw a team being built around him.

Those are possibilities.  Until now, guys have had no reason to stay, so there wasn't a possibility.

It's not up to any of us to sell a guy on staying.....or, coming.  That's BOB and Ben's job.

If guys are willing to go to or stay in Milwaukee, they'll go to Pittsburgh, so that tells me that it isn't the cities.  It's the MLB franchise.

The Pirates need to make the first move.  Whether they will, I have no idea.
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