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Official 2022 Pirates Owner/Front Office Bitching Thread
Apr 7th, 2022 at 12:05pm
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Gentlemen,
I have decided to start this thread so that we can keep the bitching and moaning about Nutting, BC, and whomever in the front office needs to hear our fan-based bitches and complaints.

This will be a no-holds-barred thread other than breaking the rules about taking shots at posters who disagree with your comments.

Have some fun guys bitching and moaning because you all deserve to do it.
  

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Reply #1 - Apr 7th, 2022 at 12:30pm
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I'll start by letting Geroge Costanza's father address Pirates management.

  

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Reply #2 - Apr 7th, 2022 at 1:15pm
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Bobster wrote on Apr 7th, 2022 at 12:30pm:
I'll start by letting Geroge Costanza's father address Pirates management.


Did you see my Ke'Bryan Hayes announcement?
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2022 at 5:54am
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All I have to say is this:

BOB seems like a good guy.  I wouldn't know.  Never met him.  He must be a fantastic newspaper owner.  I wouldn't know.  I don't think I've ever read one of his publications.  He sure doesn't cut it as a major league level professional baseball franchise owner.    Some people aren't meant for some lines of work.

If a franchise like this is worth into the billions, imagine what a lousy one would be worth.  What a country.
  

Nutting, Cherington, Shelton.

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Reply #4 - Apr 16th, 2022 at 12:02pm
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GreenWeenie wrote on Apr 8th, 2022 at 5:54am:
All I have to say is this:

He must be a fantastic newspaper owner. 


Unless you own the Washington Post, New York Times, or the Wall Street Journal, newspapers are a dying business. That is why I think he is so committed to keeping the Pirates. He makes his priorities clear on the page for The Nutting Company.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 16th, 2022 at 12:42pm
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True.  I probably should've said that he must be a good media guy.  He owns magazine companies, too.  I think Grit is or was one.  Stuff I've never read.

He's a lousy MLB owner, and from what family, friends, and some business owners tell me, not any better at owning resorts.

The Galbraiths sold when they foresaw the direction that MLB ownership was going.  I can only hope that he will do the same.
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 20th, 2022 at 8:51am
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Nutting, Cherington, Shelton.

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Reply #7 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 3:55pm
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Reading Cherington's remarks about how much he likes Shelton and what a great job he is doing makes me sick.  Statements like this just makes me convinced we have once again got a horrible GM.  Anyone who thinks Shelton is doing a great job is delusional barring on insanity.  I've seen enough of this guy he's had three years to start turning it around and as far as I can see the Pirates organization is worse off than the day he took over.  It's sooooo frustrating to think we have once again failed to choose a competent GM.   Such ridiculous statements are proof positive he needs to be gone along with his buddy Shelton.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:12pm
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skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 3:55pm:
Reading Cherington's remarks about how much he likes Shelton and what a great job he is doing makes me sick.  Statements like this just makes me convinced we have once again got a horrible GM.  Anyone who thinks Shelton is doing a great job is delusional barring on insanity.  I've seen enough of this guy he's had three years to start turning it around and as far as I can see the Pirates organization is worse off than the day he took over.  It's sooooo frustrating to think we have once again failed to choose a competent GM.   Such ridiculous statements are proof positive he needs to be gone along with his buddy Shelton.


What would you expect Cherington to say publicly about his employee?  Would you expect him to say the same things said about Shelton on this board?  Do you think that’s responsible?  Would you think it appropriate for your boss to point out your mistakes in a newspaper or on television?
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:18pm
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skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 3:55pm:
Reading Cherington's remarks about how much he likes Shelton and what a great job he is doing makes me sick.  Statements like this just makes me convinced we have once again got a horrible GM.  Anyone who thinks Shelton is doing a great job is delusional barring on insanity.  I've seen enough of this guy he's had three years to start turning it around and as far as I can see the Pirates organization is worse off than the day he took over.  It's sooooo frustrating to think we have once again failed to choose a competent GM.   Such ridiculous statements are proof positive he needs to be gone along with his buddy Shelton.

I can't argue with any of that. I've been patient with BC. I know rebuilds take time and involve a lot of losing along the way. But a lot of prospects have gotten a chance to contribute this year with almost no success. Only Castro (a Huntington acquisition) and Marcano have shown signs of life. So BC told us his team is making progress that we just can't see. Great! Sounds like he's in the running for exec of the year for all that invisible progress. Just about all of the prospects he's been counting on are failing and his choice as manager has been a clueless embarrassment. I thought that was BC's biggest mistake. But rather than seeing the mistake and correcting it, BC says the imbecile will return next year. That says a lot. Because no team that wants to improve would let Shelton anywhere near the dugout. If it doesn't matter that the manager is hopelessly incompetent, then BC doesn't really expect any significant improvement.
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:19pm
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Doc wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:12pm:
skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 3:55pm:
Reading Cherington's remarks about how much he likes Shelton and what a great job he is doing makes me sick.  Statements like this just makes me convinced we have once again got a horrible GM.  Anyone who thinks Shelton is doing a great job is delusional barring on insanity.  I've seen enough of this guy he's had three years to start turning it around and as far as I can see the Pirates organization is worse off than the day he took over.  It's sooooo frustrating to think we have once again failed to choose a competent GM.   Such ridiculous statements are proof positive he needs to be gone along with his buddy Shelton.


What would you expect Cherington to say publicly about his employee?  Would you expect him to say the same things said about Shelton on this board?  Do you think that’s responsible?  Would you think it appropriate for your boss to point out your mistakes in a newspaper or on television?

Shelton needs to be fired. BC said he's coming back next year. That's a problem.  Sad
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:31pm
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Bobster wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:19pm:
Doc wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:12pm:
skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 3:55pm:
Reading Cherington's remarks about how much he likes Shelton and what a great job he is doing makes me sick.  Statements like this just makes me convinced we have once again got a horrible GM.  Anyone who thinks Shelton is doing a great job is delusional barring on insanity.  I've seen enough of this guy he's had three years to start turning it around and as far as I can see the Pirates organization is worse off than the day he took over.  It's sooooo frustrating to think we have once again failed to choose a competent GM.   Such ridiculous statements are proof positive he needs to be gone along with his buddy Shelton.


What would you expect Cherington to say publicly about his employee?  Would you expect him to say the same things said about Shelton on this board?  Do you think that’s responsible?  Would you think it appropriate for your boss to point out your mistakes in a newspaper or on television?

Shelton needs to be fired. BC said he's coming back next year. That's a problem.  Sad


I don’t disagree.  But if anyone is expecting BC to rip Shelton in the media, like he’s ripped here, they’re gong to be disappointed.  No GM, in any sport, will do that.  Even after guys are fired, they still get lots of praise, just like what happened with the Rangers the other day.  The best we can hope for is that Shelton is fired as soon as possible.  That’ll be good enough.
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:23pm
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Doc wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:12pm:
skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 3:55pm:
Reading Cherington's remarks about how much he likes Shelton and what a great job he is doing makes me sick.  Statements like this just makes me convinced we have once again got a horrible GM.  Anyone who thinks Shelton is doing a great job is delusional barring on insanity.  I've seen enough of this guy he's had three years to start turning it around and as far as I can see the Pirates organization is worse off than the day he took over.  It's sooooo frustrating to think we have once again failed to choose a competent GM.   Such ridiculous statements are proof positive he needs to be gone along with his buddy Shelton.


What would you expect Cherington to say publicly about his employee?  Would you expect him to say the same things said about Shelton on this board?  Do you think that’s responsible?  Would you think it appropriate for your boss to point out your mistakes in a newspaper or on television?

I expect a thoughtful answer with some nuggets of reality.  If this is his reality, he needs to go along with Shelton.  I see failures in trades, draft picks, development of players, managers, as losses pile up with no end in site.  Simple, just give us the truth, it would do worlds of good for this team.  Some fans and most players would respond to the truth.  Misleading everyone is never the answer.
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:49pm
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skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:23pm:
Doc wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:12pm:
skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 3:55pm:
Reading Cherington's remarks about how much he likes Shelton and what a great job he is doing makes me sick.  Statements like this just makes me convinced we have once again got a horrible GM.  Anyone who thinks Shelton is doing a great job is delusional barring on insanity.  I've seen enough of this guy he's had three years to start turning it around and as far as I can see the Pirates organization is worse off than the day he took over.  It's sooooo frustrating to think we have once again failed to choose a competent GM.   Such ridiculous statements are proof positive he needs to be gone along with his buddy Shelton.


What would you expect Cherington to say publicly about his employee?  Would you expect him to say the same things said about Shelton on this board?  Do you think that’s responsible?  Would you think it appropriate for your boss to point out your mistakes in a newspaper or on television?

I expect a thoughtful answer with some nuggets of reality.  If this is his reality, he needs to go along with Shelton.  I see failures in trades, draft picks, development of players, managers, as losses pile up with no end in site.  Simple, just give us the truth, it would do worlds of good for this team.  Some fans and most players would respond to the truth.  Misleading everyone is never the answer.


Imagine if BC spoke the truth about Shelton, that he lived in the reality you want.  How do you think the players would react?  Basically, they’d have license to ignore Shelton and his coaches the rest of the way.  While on the surface that might actually benefit them, there would be chaos on the field and in the locker room.

Imagine the effect it would have on acquiring future players.  Few free agents want to sign here to begin with.  After BC ripped his manager in public, no one would ever come here.  We know how sensitive they are now.  They’d might fear it would happen to them.

In addition, imagine how the Pirates marketing department would take the news of Shelton ripping the manager?  Ticket sales would crater even more than they have in the past few years. 

Not much good can come from having BC speak the words you want to hear.  We all know Shelton has failed.  We all know he needs to be fired.  Maybe BC has wanted to but Nutting has refused to allow it because he doesn’t want to pay two managers for the next 14 months.  With Nutting, that’s not so far fetched.

Shelton has proven he’s not capable of managing a game.  If this team turns good beginning next year, no way will BC want a bad manager ruining what he created.  When the team is good, Shelton will be gone.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:50pm
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Doc wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:49pm:
skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:23pm:
Doc wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 4:12pm:
skinnyhorse wrote on Aug 21st, 2022 at 3:55pm:
Reading Cherington's remarks about how much he likes Shelton and what a great job he is doing makes me sick.  Statements like this just makes me convinced we have once again got a horrible GM.  Anyone who thinks Shelton is doing a great job is delusional barring on insanity.  I've seen enough of this guy he's had three years to start turning it around and as far as I can see the Pirates organization is worse off than the day he took over.  It's sooooo frustrating to think we have once again failed to choose a competent GM.   Such ridiculous statements are proof positive he needs to be gone along with his buddy Shelton.


What would you expect Cherington to say publicly about his employee?  Would you expect him to say the same things said about Shelton on this board?  Do you think that’s responsible?  Would you think it appropriate for your boss to point out your mistakes in a newspaper or on television?

I expect a thoughtful answer with some nuggets of reality.  If this is his reality, he needs to go along with Shelton.  I see failures in trades, draft picks, development of players, managers, as losses pile up with no end in site.  Simple, just give us the truth, it would do worlds of good for this team.  Some fans and most players would respond to the truth.  Misleading everyone is never the answer.


Imagine if BC spoke the truth about Shelton, that he lived in the reality you want.  How do you think the players would react?  Basically, they’d have license to ignore Shelton and his coaches the rest of the way.  While on the surface that might actually benefit them, there would be chaos on the field and in the locker room.

Imagine the effect it would have on acquiring future players.  Few free agents want to sign here to begin with.  After BC ripped his manager in public, no one would ever come here.  We know how sensitive they are now.  They might fear it would happen to them.  They don’t want to be in an organization where the management doesn’t have their back.

In addition, imagine how the Pirates marketing department would take the news of Shelton ripping the manager?  Ticket sales would crater even more than they have in the past few years. 

Not much good can come from having BC speak the words you want to hear.  We all know Shelton has failed.  We all know he needs to be fired.  Maybe BC has wanted to but Nutting has refused to allow it because he doesn’t want to pay two managers for the next 14 months.  With Nutting, that’s not so far fetched.

Shelton has proven he’s not capable of managing a game.  If this team turns good beginning next year, no way will BC want a bad manager ruining what he created.  When the team is good, Shelton will be gone.

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